Too late to stop Iranian nuclear bomb

Originally posted by Jimmy1880
Jro
Israel aren't threatening they ACTUALLY ARE trying to wipe Palestine off the map by constructing illegal settlements in occupied Palestinian territory!

Yes they are and have been the PROBLEM there for some time. We (USA) support them for a number of reasons and none of them are backed by right or wrong.

No matter what jsobecky says.

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[edit on 13/2/2007 by Mirthful Me]

I told you so.

In several other threads I have been saying watch out for the fear mongering which will proceed an alleged attack on the U.S. by Iran.

This attack will show the world how bad Iran actually is. The attack will probably have to be self-inflicted in order to get the severity and outrage necessary to launch a nuclear attack. What a mess this is going to be.

Originally posted by johnlear
I told you so.

In several other threads I have been saying watch out for the fear mongering which will proceed an alleged attack on the U.S. by Iran.

This attack will show the world how bad Iran actually is. The attack will probably have to be self-inflicted in order to get the severity and outrage necessary to launch a nuclear attack. What a mess this is going to be.

That is scary stuff. I hope you are not correct Mr. Lear, but something about your post hit my truth button.

Gave me some chills I dont like...

Originally posted by infinite

Originally posted by citizen smith
Iran has every right to nuclear technology

not when they threaten to "wipe Israel of the map"

Don't believe everything you read.

He never said that. You should do some research into that controversial quote and you may find that what he said was closer to:

"Just as the Soviet Union was wiped out and today does not exist, so will the Zionist regime soon be wiped out."

Has Russia been wiped off the map? Of course it hasn't...it experienced a change. He was talking about the regime (which a lot of Jews disagree with) NOT all of the Jewish people. There are Jews in Iran.

Ahmadinejad is not Hitler. The comparison is ridiculous beyond belief.

This all sounds like fear-mongering and "apologists" being the new buzz word substituted for "unpatriotic". We are being forced to support another war.

My point is...IF the US intel on Iraq was admittedly erroneous and somewhat fraudulent, how the heck can we believe the intel now without any definitive proof of Iranian involvement in Iraq and it's quest for Nukes (which Israel has)? Just take this administrations word again?

Is the proof buried beside Saddams WMD's out there somewhere?

We went from Osama to Saddam and now it's Iran and we still haven't solved the problem. Do we really know who the threat is or are we just guessing here?

Originally posted by LoneGunMan

Originally posted by johnlear
I told you so.

In several other threads I have been saying watch out for the fear mongering which will proceed an alleged attack on the U.S. by Iran.

This attack will show the world how bad Iran actually is. The attack will probably have to be self-inflicted in order to get the severity and outrage necessary to launch a nuclear attack. What a mess this is going to be.

That is scary stuff. I hope you are not correct Mr. Lear, but something about your post hit my truth button.

Gave me some chills I dont like...

Come on dude...you don't need a weather man to know which way the wind is blowing. A lot of people are saying events are headed that way although most differ on the "lead-up".

I'm surprised people are shocked at the possibility of this war starting much less believe the hype being forced down our throats. If people don't see Iran as a target by now we are seriously doomed.

Just wait for the pearl-harbor like "attack" to happen in Iraq.

lee anoma

Just wait for the pearl-harbor like "attack" to happen in Iraq.

I don't think this pearl-harbor like "attack" is going to happen in Iraq but here in the good' ol' US of A.


God help us all when it happens.. And yes.. I say when, and not If.

Just like John said.. 'they' will blame it on Iran so we can "justify' attacking them and cary out "their" agenda.



[edit on 13-2-2007 by ViewFromTheStars]

Originally posted by ViewFromTheStars
I don't think this pearl-harbor like "attack" is going to happen in Iraq but here in the good' ol' US of A. God help us all when it happens.. And yes.. I say when, and not If. Just like John said.. 'they' will blame it on Iran so we can "justify' attacking them and cary out "their" agenda.

Those dirty rotten Iranians are probably going to set off a nuke in the Sears Tower and:

1. Prove that they had the nuke all along, just like Israel said, and
2. Make another insurance killing for Larry Silverstein, and
3. Justify a retaliatory nuke attack on Iran.

Its a win, win, win all around.

The report states Iran has everything it needs to make nukes, it doesn't say they are making them or has any. And there are other reports that state Iran doesn't have to much intention to make any nuclear weapons and is smart enough not to use them for anything else then retaliation against an attack.

Most of the EU nations and many others around the world that do not have nukes have the capabilities, infrastructure and know how to do so whenever they please.

The US and Israel are bitching that Iran having nukes would stabilize the region, this is patently false, it would do the opossite.
What they really mean is that if Iran has nukes, the stability created will be invulnerable to US and Israeli influence, because right now, only Israel and the US are nuclear powers that threaten the region into submission with their nukes.

Iran having nukes would disempower the US and Israel.

The matrix.. I hear what you are saying but I don't entirely agree with this:

Iran having nukes would disempower the US and Israel.

I don't think it would disempower the US and Israel entirely but it would severly hamper or keep in check certain 'agendas' that are in play. This really helps me more sense out of this whole 'pre emptive' movement. The whole globalist agenda can not come to fruition if the current power structure of the world is left to stand. The more I research and understand what is really going on the more I realize that there is a conscious effort in the world to ferment the current conflict between muslim "terrorists" and the zionists. Terrorism has been around since the dawn of man but it's these 'fermentors' that scare me more.. FAR more. I think the main thrust beyond fermenting the afformentioned conflict is a world wide conflagration. Yes, you read that correctly. I believe that there are real people with real power trying to lead the world into WWIII and it's not just muslim radicals.






[edit on 13-2-2007 by ViewFromTheStars]

I ment it like that. Ofcource they'd still have power but not as absolute and "you don't do it our way and we wipe you out" kinda way it is now.

The only thing keeping the US and Israel from doing whatever they please now is public opinion and with the way the propaganda machine has evolved over the years, public opinion is becoming a factor thats easely manipulated and overcome.

If Iran had nukes, public opinion might be in favor of an attack(or manipulated into an attack) initialy, but the expected reprecussions would be enough to make people think 2ce before actualy letting anything happen.

Over time Iran would be able to show that it is a responsible state with these nukes and then both public opinion and the nuclear option would keep Israel and the US from pissing up other people's tree in the region.

With all of the nuclear material that has disappeared from the old Soviet Union in the past decade, it is possible for any one of these rogue nations to have access to this stuff with the black market being a main source. All of this talk seems to be a giant bluff in my opinion. IF they want it, they will get it.

Thematrix

Over time Iran would be able to show that it is a responsible state with these nukes and then both public opinion and the nuclear option would keep Israel and the US from pissing up other people's tree in the region.

Hehe.. there is a certain elegance in the way you put that. You got me.

I think the best solution is to just drop a nuke on the entire
middle east and after all the radiation and chemicals depleet
we can take it and make it ours. then no more war in the middle
east

I believe that Israel intel is plugged in enough to know what the final cutoff point is for Iran developing a functional nuke. And I also believe that they will not let that day happen.

When that time approaches, Israel will strike Iran. And I wish them Godspeed.

I agree, no one is going to attak Iran unless it is a last ditch effort to prevent them from having a weaponized nuke.

The question is what will Iran do in response, obviously not retaliate with nukes since they shouldve been destroyed, but if they launch a full barrage against Israel then Israel will have to defend itself and then Syria will get involved and so will saudi arabia and then oil prices will be $100's per barrel and chavex will be laughing it up. The US and first world economies will halt or rather decline dramatically. Iran knows this but it also knows that it has to keep russia and less so china on its side and that wont happen by making them look like fools for beleiving in them.

If you ask me what this whole thing Iran is doing is purposely acting like a brat while really having no intention of developing weaponized nukes, just so that if they get attaked or their nuclear sites are bombed they can say look at these threats these provacteurs of violence and carnage we had no N weapons. Who are they to attak us and so on and so forth which will cause a resentfullness to the US and Israel.

Do you guys think its possible that Iran really has no interest in making weapons and is just acting idiotically to lure on an attak?

That is not the only danger. Your stupid, backward leaders will give the bomb to Hezbollah and any other terrorist group with enough cash to buy it. Your sponsorship of terrorism in the past leaves no doubt that that would happen. That is why you must be stopped.

Last updated Feb. 4, 2003
28,800: The total number of intact nuclear warheads retained by the United States and Russia.

30,000: Number of intact nuclear warheads throughout the world. 17,500 of these are considered operational.

www.cdi.org...


The figures below were copied from a different source and are as of November 2002
• USA: 12,070

• Russia: 28,240

• UK: 400

• France: 510

• China: 425

• India: 70

• Pakistan: 15

Total Counted: 41,730

Considering the following: meteors, hurricanes, tornadoes, alien ships, and war don't you think ALL should be stopped. I will be glad when the bully's are gone, but, that will leave the meek to clean up the mess the bully's made.

Originally posted by ViewFromTheStars
I don't think it would disempower the US and Israel entirely but it would severly hamper or keep in check certain 'agendas' that are in play.

If another country, OTHER than Israel has nukes in the middle east, it will force the USA to have to rethink its entire strategy.
America can push its wweight around in the ME, because no one has nukes, conventional armies are easily beaten with air superiority.

If someone has nukes, we dare not approach them by force.

Its nothing Particular about Iran that we want, its that they will have the power to counter us, in our ME plans.

And we cant have someone having the power to resist us in the ME.

reply to post by Vitchilo





So people were at first claiming that Iran just wanted to have nuclear power for "peaceful purposes" and now that it is a known fact that Iran is still going after nuclear weapons some people want to claim that Iran will not use it's nuclear weapons? Even after knowing the fact that the Iranian president has been stating he wants to wipe Israel off the map?.....

How many MORE EXCUSES are people going to try to make?....

Even Obama's Defense Secretary Robert Gates has stated "The Iranians have the intention of having nuclear weapons."

It is a known fact that the Iranian president believe sin the imam, and he believes that the world must be in chaos for his return. He belongs to a sect that wants to usher in a state of world chaos for the 12th Imam to return.


[edit on 29-9-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

reply to post by infinite


of all the people on this forum i expected better from you


iran never said this


unless suddenly russia got wiped from the map as well

The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad

the very next line from that 2005 speech is quoting how the soviet union vanished from the page of time - dont see any nukes used there do we.

Originally posted by Siren

That is not the only danger. Your stupid, backward leaders will give the bomb to Hezbollah and any other terrorist group with enough cash to buy it. Your sponsorship of terrorism in the past leaves no doubt that that would happen. That is why you must be stopped.

Last updated Feb. 4, 2003
28,800: The total number of intact nuclear warheads retained by the United States and Russia.

30,000: Number of intact nuclear warheads throughout the world. 17,500 of these are considered operational.

www.cdi.org...


The figures below were copied from a different source and are as of November 2002
• USA: 12,070

• Russia: 28,240

• UK: 400

• France: 510

• China: 425

• India: 70

• Pakistan: 15

Total Counted: 41,730

Considering the following: meteors, hurricanes, tornadoes, alien ships, and war don't you think ALL should be stopped. I will be glad when the bully's are gone, but, that will leave the meek to clean up the mess the bully's made.

Fascinating that the list fails to include the estimated 300 - 400 nuclear warheads that Israel is thought to have.

Israel wont tell anybody what they have so we don't know for sure. And they are the ones screaming about the possibility of Iran having 1 warhead. Why worry when you have 400 ?

Am I the only one cynical enough to think that if there was a nuclear incident somewhere, that was of course blamed on Iran, that the perpetrators (notice that word has the word traitors in it) could actually be Israel.

They could use one of their collection and we wouldn't be able to tell since we are not permitted to know what they have now.

There are those who think that Israel was behind the 911 false flag operation which enabled USA to bomb, Iraq (even though it had zero to do with 911) but of course at the time Israel was bleating about the Scud missiles that purportedly were being lobbed over from Iraq by Saddam Hussain, never mind the imaginary WMD's they claimed he had. Just like the rockets fired by Hammas I don't think any Israelis actually died from these attacks since the technology behind them was primative.



[edit on 29-9-2009 by bigyin]