UFO vs. TR3B...searching for help, they are both alien by definition?

Originally posted by AudioWhore
check this old dudes site out

www.drboylan.com...

Old dude. *sigh*

Well, it's 6:33 here. Time for this old dude to take his meds and go night-night. Nurse ?

Lex

Originally posted by AgainstSecrecy

Is there any military installation where your friend had that sighting?

It was in Nevada, approximately 200 miles North of Nellis Air Force Base I believe, and in fact on Bureau of Land Management lands. Shoshone Native American lands to be exact.

Spines,

Hey hello and how are you? The lights as described to me were definitely not landing lights but more of a propulsion system he thought. They stirred up the ground and dust when it was at hover of about twenty feet and the lights or at least some part of the craft emitted some very intense heat.

Peace, Mondo

[edit on 11-2-2007 by Mondogiwa]

thats the problem with most of what we are discussing Spines its all based on and educated guess. my opinion on the matter after reading some material today is the the tr3b the aurora and the triangles are all separate craft, the triangle "alien" craft seem to me to be the one with the light. where as the tr3b is the one that is dark as night and blocks out the lights. On the other hand i was under the impression that the aurora was a high speed military craft so these sightings if there are any shouldn't have characteristics even close to the tr3b nor the alien triangles.

How would an observer know the jets were "pursuing" or attempting to "shoot down", unless one sees an active A-A missile launch from the jets?

Conceivably it could well be a flight test or exercise.

Hi
I was just wondering if what i saw on August of 99 (daylight sighting) could have been one of those "TR3B" you guys are talking about? I saw a motionless triangular cratf (no windows,ect....) just three plasma like lights under neath craft (on each corner).It stood there for 1- 3 minutes
then dissapear.Something curious that same day a few hours earlier i was seeing these orbs of light in the sky (star-like) moving.They where so high that almost went un-noticed. I dont know if these things are Man made or extraterrestrial made or from some other dimesion? These things always(well at lease in my experiences with them.They seem to some how tell you when they are going to show up and where to look or go.

Originally posted by mbkennel

How would an observer know the jets were "pursuing" or attempting to "shoot down", unless one sees an active A-A missile launch from the jets?

Conceivably it could well be a flight test or exercise.

You are exactly right and that's exactly what he explained. The jets followed in the direction but there was no aggressive or evasive action at all. He never even hinted at the idea that he thought that the jets were taking hostile action at all.

Let me make a point heer that I may have not explained very well in the first post. My friend fully believes that what he saw was more than likely manmade. There were no, "little green men" as he puts it, no cockpit viewports that he could see, just an ominous craft that he cannot explain. He has given me the details so that he/I may be able to shed some light on the situation is all.

When I say in the beginning that it is alien by definition....I mean that it is such a foreign and unknown craft that it is alien by definition. The craft was viwed in person in Nevada from a respectable man. No pilots, whether they be human, alien, or no beings at all, were seen.

I hope this helps in some way to the details of the sighting.....Peace, Mondo

By the way, does anybody have anybody else that they know or have heard that has seen something similar to this sighting???

There must be some other out there or here rather on ATS that have seen or at least heard of this type of thing, right???

Peace, Mondo

I saw a program on TLC or Discovery a while back about a mass sighting in Illinios/Indiana, that breached the borders of both states. The object was viewed by multiple law enforcement branches from both states and was said to be triangular and silent.

Sketches were drawn, and they all appear to resemble the TR3B. If I remember rightly, different officers had followed this object for miles into adjacent jurisdictions and all had recalled the same shape of craft.

I am not sure which military installations are on the Indiana/illinios border, but it seems as if they could possibly have something to do with this craft?

Anyone know what I am talking about, or am I crazy?

Don Wahn,

You are not crazy, I remember that now that you mention it about the cops that radioed in and sort of followed that thing through a few counties.

Thanks for the help, anything else comes to mind, be sure to post it.

Peace, Mondo

The Aurora has a rapid pulse type engine so it's no where near silent. Still a few times above the speed of sound air craft, but can't hover etc.

From descriptions of this so called TR-3B triangle which was seen over Belgium during the 1989/1990 flap and in Illinois it is 100% silent, can hover low to the ground, but can also take off at high rates of speed upwards of 20,000 mph. I think I remember hearing the Belgium military talking about how they tracked if on radar moving that fast.

I just wonder when the heck the U.S. Military plans on making some of this stuff public like they did with the F-177 stealth which at the time everyone was blown away by and before it was made public could account for several UFO sightings...?

www.mufonla.com...

I hope soon.

[edit on 12-2-2007 by classified material]

Yes, I too had a similar daytime encounter I have put some pictures and what happened to me on my online storage site. Feel free to read and look at the pictures. I plan to post a video of the area as soon as I can.I too believe this was man made not some alien device. I also believe the F-16's were "chase" planes as in escorts and not trying to intercept this vehicle.

www.esnips.com...

Hello!

I had an close encounter with one of those black triangles back in 1997 here in Germany

It was almost exactly 11 PM in late Summer, maybe August. I walked out of the door of my neighbour, and looked up. Then i tought what the $%§ ... whats that blocking the stars here and what is this red "light" there? Then i realised that this "light" was attached to a solid structur, hovering not moving completly silent, the whole sighting was maybe just 5 - 10 seconds or so, but it was very close, i guess maybe 40 Meter above my head ... (hard to guess because i dont know the real size of those triangles, at least it looked so close, that i could have probably thrown a stone on it!)

First i just saw one edge of it, the rest was blocked by other houses, then i turned around, looking where my neighbour was and called her (she was still inside, taking her jacket from an other room in the basement).

Then i looked back up and i noticed that this thing was slowly starting to move towards the other side of the road (it's just a little street) maybe with 5 - 10 kmh or so, at that point i noticed that this thing was much bigger than i thought in the first place, it was triangular shaped and at least 50 Meters each side, maybe bigger. A red to orange "light" at each corner (in fact i think the lights are the engines, read below for a detailed description of it...)

BTW while it moved to the other side of the street it turned a little bit so that just the underside could be seen! Dont know why it did that...

Now finally my neighbour came out of the door, and in that moment the thing on the other side of the street started to move, it accelerated and looked very distorted while doing that (imaging you stretch a chewing gum a little bit, thats the best i can describe it lol) then it zig zagged 3 times (it banked left right left) and then shoot up in the sky to the right, hard to guess again, but i would say it was some thousand kmh, definitive much faster than any airplane i've ever seen... and still completly silent...

Oh and it left a small vapor trail (10m maybe), which vanished some seconds later...

So my neighbour just saw 3 reddish lights zig-zagging and zappin away...

While it was hovering above my head i had a good look at this "light", because i thought that it was an single object. It was a big round hole, the inside was silver, and there was an reddish, glowing plasma-like gas coming out of it, which illuminated very little of the underside of the triangle, and it was flickering like when you look at a hot street in summer.

So IMO these "lights" are cleary the engines, maybe some sort of propulusion system ( you can also see that on some videos of those triangles, sometimes one or two lights aren't as bright as the other ones for example)

I would describe the color of that triangle as dark-black with very little metallic reflection and a light blue touch lol, i could make out some structures on the underside, but not cleary as the sighting was to short. Probably they were the same structures as you can see on that belgian triangel pictures, so i would say it was the same model

BTW while it shooted in the sky it looked just like a single bright white light, so probably many other ufo sightings could be triangles imo...

After reading this Edgar Fouche stuff, i believed hat it could indeed be an secret aircraft, but now after reading much stuff about that subject im not sure anymore. There are some points that highly speaks against an secret Aircraft:

1. Its openly operated, worldwide over populated areas as it seems from the sightings
2. Its very often seen at low level, hovering at "treetop level" for example

Sorry for that long text, but i had to write it down
Maybe we will find out sometime, if this is manmade or not...

BTW: Sorry if my english is horrible, i hope you understand it


[edit on 21-2-2007 by praise bob]

Praise Bob,

You described there being three lights, one at each point of the triangle. Were there any other lights? Did you see a light in the middle of the triangle? If so, do you recall the color or if it changed when the craft shot up?

wow, great description! i always suspected that the "lights" at each corner were some type of propulsion medium...it just didn't make sense to me that they were transponders or beacons.

Hello,

Originally posted by Rotoplooker
Praise Bob,

You described there being three lights, one at each point of the triangle. Were there any other lights? Did you see a light in the middle of the triangle? If so, do you recall the color or if it changed when the craft shot up?

No i didn't saw any other lights just those at the corners, but then again the part where it was completly in view was really short, so maybe that light in the middle was of or dimmed at that point.

Hm to be honest, i'm not really sure about, but iirc they just got a bit brighter so they were more orange and then it zig zagged and shooted away looking like one bright white light then, but maybe that was due to the fast movement?

EDIT: Ups i think i missunderstood you a bit, that what i wrote above is for the lights at the corner, dind't see a light in the middle of the craft


[edit on 21-2-2007 by praise bob]

To avoid double-posting here's a link to the post I made in the 'Have you seen Aurora' thread dealing with my encounter with a black triangular object over 20 years ago. After reading the excellent ideas here on the Aurora I now very much doubt the object was the fabled secret craft. I also have no doubt that what I witnessed was real but it defies explanation to this day and I'd very much like to hear any ideas on it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...&mem=Pilgrum

Nice forum BTW

Got to point out, after reading the thread, that the existence of the TR3B is not proven. People here are talking about it as fact. Its actually a speculation - kind of an urban legend.

Aurora is a different kettle of fish, because there is some circumstantial evidence that it exists in the form of trace documents, sounds, sonic boom anlysis and black budget funding, as well as a few visual sightings, one of which was by a member of the UK's Royal Observer Corps.