Are Masons in control of Secret Societies Forum

...and if all Masons were instantly arrested in the World, there would be NO WARS WHATSOEVER. All wars are organised, financed and led by masons.

What I really like is the links we post to masons and others are one sided. While the ones masons put are not one sided. The links we put are just stupid. I could care less how long someone has been a mason. There are things they are not going to tell anyone who is not a member. Such as hidden meanings of the rituals, hidden meanings of their symbols, and things like that. That in it's self says much about the great benevolent order. Me, I will continue to read things such as freemasonrywatch.org, biblebelievers.com, and others.

And one more thing that makes me wonder about this organization.the words carved in stone above the entrance: "Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry" "It isn't ancient (goes back to 17th century), it isn't Scottish (Scottish rite was begun in France), it isn't free (no females, blacks or poor), and it isn't right (no mention of Jesus allowed)! This 33 degree Mason, never went back.


[edit on 11-2-2007 by mitchelcopper]

Originally posted by mitchelcopper
What I really like is the links we post *SNIP*

Links?

You've never posted ONE link... Ever...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

That's your entire posting history... Zero links... None, nada... Boopkus even.

Now there is a plethora of copy and pastes completely devoid of member content (that would be your own words)... But links... Not a chance.

Since you brought the subject up, why don't you take the time to review these two links:

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Originally posted by Majic
I'm sorry.

I always knew you were one of the good guys, now I can see you are big as well.

Since I can see this thread is attracting some off-topic anti-masonic opinion perhaps it is time to draw a line and move on. All that needs to be said on this topic has already been done so.

Of the problem of copy and pasting. You posted this, and to anyone reading this post it would appear that you are the "This 33 degree Mason."

Originally posted by mitchelcopper
And one more thing that makes me wonder about this organization.the words carved in stone above the entrance: "Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry" "It isn't ancient (goes back to 17th century), it isn't Scottish (Scottish rite was begun in France), it isn't free (no females, blacks or poor), and it isn't right (no mention of Jesus allowed)! This 33 degree Mason, never went back.

[edit on 11-2-2007 by mitchelcopper]

When actually it should have appeared thus:

Later, when he came down the wide steps of a large Scottish Rite Temple, 33 degree Mason Jim Shaw turned and looked at the words carved in stone above the entrance: "Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry", Jim remembered thinking: "It isn't ancient (goes back to 17th century), it isn't Scottish (Scottish rite was begun in France), it isn't free (no females, blacks or poor), and it isn't right (no mention of Jesus allowed)! This 33 degree Mason, never went back.

bibleprobe.com...

You plagiarized the text, and inferred you are/were something you're not.

Also, you deprived the members of ATS the link to that fascinating website.

So much hatred these guys have, such a contradiction to what they are told to be practicing in their hearts.

Yup, I didn't give my sources. Now lets talk about whether or not the stuff I posted is true or not. We can do this here or we can do this in the forum were they are posted. And yes I violated my terms and conditions and for that I'am sorry. But as I sit here and type this I realize that Mirttful, Trin, and Appak won't let be a debate. Instead you will want to go tit for tat on everything. Trying to get me and other people banned. Firstly by calling antis trolls, idiots, and one sided copy and pasters. But it's okay for you guys to put links from masonicinfo.com and others and we should take that as fact. Any organization that keep it's stuff secret to only members and will not talk about are hiding things they are/should not be doing. While many people ask legitimate questions about The "Black Communion" of Maundy Thursday, 33 degree Initiation Ceremony, and other things we do get attacked right off the bat. Should I be shocked? No.

Jim Shaw was never a 33rd Degree Scottish Rite Freemason.

Although he never provided the exact date, Rev. Shaw gave some hint as to the date of his alleged reception of the Thirty-third Degree.

...I had been a K.C.C.H. for only four years. A man cannot even be considered for the 33rd Degree until he has been a K.C.C.H. four years. I was being considered for the 33rd in the minimum time!(84)

He resigned from Masonry on October 25, 1966, ten months after receiving his K.C.C.H. and thirty-seven months before reaching the four year mark. In special circumstances The Supreme Council, 33º, S.J., may wave the traditional four year period between the K.C.C.H. and its bestowal of the Thirty-third Degree. In such cases the recipient has performed an extraordinary labor benefitting and/or honoring the Fraternity. The Supreme Council, 33º, N.M.J. may also wave its traditional period for similar reasons. An example of the latter was the bestowal of the Honorary Thirty-third Degree on John J. Robinson just before his death. Mr. Robinson was a popular author and lecturer who publically defended Freemasonry though not a Mason himself. Shortly after joining the fraternity in 1993, when it became known that Robinson was terminally ill, The Supreme Council, 33º, N.M.J. exercised its right to confer the Honorary Thirty-third Degree on him, in recognition of his extraordinary labors.

www.indianafreemasons.com...

Further:

All Masons elected to the 33º have their names published in the Transactions of the Supreme Council. These volumes are easily available for inspection in any Scottish Rite body in the Southern Jurisdiction. The name of James Dayton Shaw was never listed as the recipient of the 33º, despite his claims to the contrary. YET ANOTHER LIE

www.indianafreemasons.com...

So you care to discuss the merits of your plagiarized text, a purely fabricated statement by Jim Shaw? I fail to see the point of such a discussion, but if you insist, I would suggest starting a thread (properly formatted of course ) as we are well off topic here and it would be best to focus on this: Are Masons in control of Secret Societies Forum

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Originally posted by swimmer
Yes, being a masons is worse than being a communist.
[edit on 11-2-2007 by swimmer]

That's correct. They have leadth different revolutions throughout history. Communism, socialism, liberalism and capitalism are inventions of the freemasonic organisations. These where set up in place to study the behaviour of the masses.

Originally posted by Trinityman

Originally posted by Majic
I'm sorry.

I always knew you were one of the good guys, now I can see you are big as well.

Since I can see this thread is attracting some off-topic anti-masonic opinion perhaps it is time to draw a line and move on. All that needs to be said on this topic has already been done so.

Indeed all that need to be said has already done so, freemasons try to manipulate the course of threads at ATS.
Just like they did with this one.

With their statements they try to put themselves in the position of the experts. So we are the theorists (or terorrists of threads :lol Everyone should accept that this thread is of no importance and it has completely derailed.
Because the experts have consensus over this idea?

You have to take a look in their history, rituals, religion (worshipping, yes!), fylosofies and symbolism to see what is going on in here. Go to the older books to find the truths about freemasonry. There have always been writers who try to cover up the truth of freemasonry but never so much as the latest decenia.

Get informed and understand this evil organisation

[edit on 11-2-2007 by buddhaLight]

Originally posted by buddhaLight

You have to take a look in their history, rituals, religion (worshipping, yes!), fylosofies and symbolism to see what is going on in here. Go to the older books to find the truths about freemasonry. There have always been writers who try to cover up the truth of freemasonry but never so much as the latest decenia.

I'm sorry I don't know what fylosofies is?

Perhaps you should start a thread, showing us what the older books said?

Oh gee wiz, a promasonic site stating that Jim Shaw was never a freemason. And a promasonic site doing a smear campagin on a guy who was a mason, but got out and showed what it's really about. Real big shock there. Just like exmasons for Jesus. All day long masons here say he's a liar. But I think many people here see the masons are the liars. I wouldn't trust a pro masonic site to save my mothers life.

[edit on 11-2-2007 by mitchelcopper]

Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal

How about you provide a source when you are directly cutting and pasting from it eh?

Every word, phrase, or concept has Been written or posted by some one, some where, at some point in time.

If Every member deserves respect I do Not think it is very respect-full to refer to a particular some as random idiots.

Ok, every member does not deserve respect, the ones that don't deserve respect are the ones that come here as frauds and liars.

I believe every one deserves respect, regardless of what any one else thinks about them.

I am sure there are many more members who would love to come here and post about it, but are scared of Being banned.

Talk about what? Masonic influence on ATS?

Members who are freemasons are allowed to state their opinions, just like members who are not. If someone thinks that the freemasons dominate this board, then its because their arguements end up being the best. When they break the TOS, they get banned, and its happened many times before.

So this board is purely about arguing? We should look for the truth and leave the politics and derailment aside

Also, what is anyone here for? TO discuss conspiracies in ATS? Or to discuss Conspiracies on ATS? I mean, thats like watching the new constantly report on its own programming.

Conspiracy is conspiracy.

The fact is, ATS administration is utterly independant of the freemasons, none of board administrators are freemasons, and I only know of one Moderator who belongs to that fraternity. He is not in charge of anyone.

I'm glad to hear this, I really hope it is the case.

Do Masons seem to Be proud of their "world super power" status, thus defend each other to the death if it means lying and/or hiding the truth? Yes.

Prove it.

Prove that our members here who happen to be masons are lying through their teeth to protect their fraternity.

People constantly charge that that is the case, no one has ever demonstrated it.

I will go find it if it is required, it is a direct quote from a Mason on ATS boasting of his "world super power" secret society status. I believe the thread was trashed, if it is needed I will find it, and more.

Are they capable of rational talk? Only if it involves irrational behaviour and/or some thing to boost their "powerfull" status.

From what I have seen, some of the best posters in this forum are masons. Not all of the best members are, but some of the best definitely are. Saying that they are irrational is flat out false.

If best is classified as Not Being capable of rational diss course, penurious and bad-tempered, then I agree. There is No conversation with these individuals, simply a caricature of what seems to Be unhumane and Non-philosophical, wild, vulgar shouting matches. May Be I am seeing things

[edit on 11-2-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Originally posted by Majic
Irony Abounds

Originally posted by Trinityman
Funny what goes around comes around...

Indeed it does, and upon reflection, I regret using the word "idiot" in my previous posts, and apologize for doing so. Such behavior serves no good purpose and only makes an already nasty situation even nastier.

I'm sorry.

This sort of thing can become frustrating, but ultimately it's not right for me to comment on anyone -- including former members -- in such a fashion.

There's a sort of karma in all this, and when we allow ourselves to be dragged down into the muck, it is a form of failure and only leads to more of the same.

So rather than get caught up in that vicious cycle, I'll just try to do my best to help keep things running around here.

To anyone who is suspicious or critical of our motives or how the board is operated, I ask only that you be honest about it, honor the AboveTopSecret.com Terms And Conditions Of Use when you do so, and let us know when we can do something better.

It's not a perfect system, but it's a good system.

Just sayin'.

That is a really big post Majic. I appreciate it so much, I don't know what that means to you, let it mean what ever you want, but I was sincerely touched seeing some one Be so kind, forgiving, and apologetic. Seriously awesome. If there was a way above for moderators you have mine.

That was completely amazing Puts a smile on my face

[edit on 11-2-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

We're dealing with the Illuminati. First they will have a member profile and get acquainted one of the ATS Member's dialogues and become that person. Using their slang and lingo because you cant see who you're talking to on the internet. They'd just have to put 1to1 faces on each ats member. Take them all out at the same time in some mysterious death. Buy the server it's on and just continue it's operation's with each member being replaced. See how easy it is. In one false swoop everyone falls into the hand's of the masterplan.

Pint/Counterpint

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
If there was a way above for moderators you have mine.

Thanks! That's the form our "way aboves" take, and it really does mean a lot to me.

Everyone shouts at the monitor now and then, and I'm certainly no exception. But ultimately, there's very little we discuss here that can't be settled over a few pints.

Sadly, the current state of brewing technology doesn't permit sharing a few pints electronically yet, and there's nothing like being able to look someone in the eye when talking to them, but who knows?

Maybe in a few years...

So, ARE Masons In Control Of The Secret Societies Forum?

Of course I don't expect anybody to just take my word on this -- and I do encourage skepticism in everything -- but my answer to this question is a resounding "no".

Can I be positive? Well, no. After all, every member of the staff other than me could secretly be a Mason and doing a clever job of hiding it.

I know we have at least one avowed and unapologetic Mason on the staff (he wears a fez, and I think you've probably figured it out by now ), but I certainly don't see any signs of "Masonic control" over any ATS forum.

I also know of a few staff members who are very intrigued by all the Masonic conspiracy stuff and could be considered "Freemasonry skeptics" -- and for that matter, though I don't spend a lot of time in the SS forum, I find it all rather interesting myself.

And hey, lest we forget, ATS *is* a conspiracy site, and Freemasonry is about as classic and obvious a target for conspiracy theories as any I can imagine, so we'd have to be nuts to try to discourage legitimate discussion of Freemasonry, Masons and Secret Societies.

In our defense, I think the forum speaks quite well for itself.

There's all sorts of juicy stuff here, and more coming all the time.

Legitimate Discussion

When I say "legitimate discussion", I mean discussion which complies with the AboveTopSecret.com Terms And Conditions Of Use -- which say nothing about Masons or Freemasonry at all, either way.

Members who wish to opine about these or any Secret Society topics are free to do so, but only in a manner that is consistent with the T&C.

That's what all the hubbub seems to be about. We have some folks who seem to think it's okay to:

1. Copy/paste copyrighted material from other sites here without attribution.

2. Knowingly post false accusations against members and staff.

3. Substitute post-spamming, link farms, boilerplate and other copy-paste jobs for intelligent, rational discussion.

4. Engage in personal attacks, flame-baiting and general bad citizenship practices.

Nobody's perfect -- including me, obviously -- but posting everything with a cursor dipped in vitriol really doesn't help anyone change their minds or see the truth about anything.

None of the behavior I've listed here is acceptable from anyone, whether "pro-Mason", "anti-Mason" or otherwise.

What I Hope We Can All Agree On

I think it's easy to miss the actual point in all this and get caught up in what ultimately amounts to pointless drama.

The message that gets heard is the message that's presented calmly, rationally and with evidence to back it up.

Regardless of what your position may be on Freemasonry, if you can do that, your contributions will always be welcome here.

Thank you, Majic, great job as a moderator. That type of behavior is exactly what keeps the peace and ceases to separate members from staff. Some what being mentors, teachers, and friends for all the members and not all ways the big bad guy doing the banning that never says any thing wrong, which is how it appears to me much of the time (imo, hey I could get used to that acronym).

I will respect the T&C regarding stating sources, but, at some point in time, it all has to come to an end. Before We know it there are going to Be people "coining" phrases and asking for their phrases to Be sourced because they "said them". etc. I do comprehend the concept, though imo it does Not seem too important. I am unaware if it is a law or Not, and imo laws are unimportant, too. Hey, it is all my opinion, may be some day it will be seen the way I see it.

p.s. You are perfect

[edit on 12-2-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Originally posted by swimmer
...and if all Masons were instantly arrested in the World, there would be NO WARS WHATSOEVER. All wars are organised, financed and led by masons.

At the risk of causing you to think:

What about World War II? Hitler started it by invading Poland, yeah? He then went on to persecute Freemasons as part of the Holocaust. 80,000 of them were slain as a result. Your theory doesn't seem to hold water.

Conversely, I doubt that you can similarly prove that all wars weren't organised, financed and led by YOU. Have a go at it, though, please.

Originally posted by buddhaLight

Originally posted by Appak


There is more...MUCH more to tell, but right now I have to go and cleanse my soul of the evil that ATS's luciferian doctrine has brought upon me and renounce the 429th Degree of Freemasonry while I'm at it. I sure hope that David Icke's "stand-in" will hear my confession. I need absolution and QUICK!

(On a side note, can the administrators add a button to vote for the most ridiculous thread? I think this one deserves some votes!)

[edit on 10-2-2007 by Appak]

What a nice example of what I've said before...
It's a pitty these masons are messing up the important threads.
Try to filter out the bullsh*t or just enjoy the show...

These masons are only here for one reason.. They are not here for a better understanding of there brotherhood. All they want to know, they can find out via their lodges.

They are here to create confusion...

And then they dare to call us trolls.

It's one big circus with these guys

Care to offer any proof or are you just going to make stuff up as you go ?
I am more than happy to discuss facts. I dont want to discuss anyones paranoid fantasies. These is a difference between a discussion and a rant.

Originally posted by Majic

Can I be positive? Well, no. After all, every member of the staff other than me could secretly be a Mason and doing a clever job of hiding it.

I'm a mod in this forum and for the record, I am not now nor have I ever been a Mason. To be frankly honest about it, it's because they denied my petition to join. Well, they actually asked me to re-apply in six months but didn't explain why. Six months later I was married with a child on the way and the last thing I was concerned about was joining the Masons. That was 25 years ago.

Anyway, just thought i'd chime in on the subject