Believe in god not religion.

Every religion on this planet including christianity has come from pagan traditions, and astrotheology.

Example. Jesus and all the same similar saviour myths that were exactly the same.

Christmas...

The world's crucified gods have their traditional birthday on December 25th. This is because the sun makes an annual descent southward until December 21st or 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops moving southerly for three days(notice jesus resurected after 3 days) and then starts to move northward again. During this time, the ancients declared that "God's sun" had "died" for three days and was "born again" on December 25th.

Jesus was crucified on the cross which is the ancient symbol for the sun.
en.wikipedia.org...
Easter/passover...

Is when the sun passes over the equator celebrating Spring

Osiris/Jesus similarities coincidence... They are the exact same myth as
Adonis,
Apollo,
Baal of Phoenicia
Beddru of Japan Buddha of India
Hesus of the Druids Horus,
Osiris, and Serapis of Egypt, whose long-haired, bearded appearance was adopted for the Christ character
Indra of Tibet/India
Jao of Nepal
Krishna of India
Mikado of the Sintoos
Mithra of Persia
Odin of the Scandinavians
Prometheus of Caucasus/Greece

The virgin Mary...
Conjugation that annually takes place at the vernal equinox. God, the Father, the Sun personified, at this time is joined to commence the Gestation of the Son (Sun) of God, that will be born 280 days later on December 25th.

I could go on for weeks. The origins of most religions is astrotheology and paganism. Sorry its a fact. People are dying over it, and it is high time the truth be known.

At the same time evolution is a joke.

Rich




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can't believe i am first to reply to this interesting topic.

It is true that they all have the same archetype. The pre necine bible there is only one god the LORD thats the difference a christian can put forward pagans are polytheistic like the majority of religions you just mentioned. The holy trinity wasn't introduced til 325 ad which is the belief of many orthodox christian religions including roman catholic. This i think has undermined monotheistic message of the bible. Jesus did not claim to be god or a god merely claimed to be spreadin his word and was able to channel his divine power.

I think by comparing christianity to these other religions you are wrong but I also agree to be a christian you don't have to fly a banner for any church or specific religion and these differences aren't worth fighting for.

The old testament is in fact polytheistic. Thanks for liking my topic.

oh by the way christmas or the 25th of december wasn't mentioned in the bible

I know. I think you have to look at everything as a whole. For example we are now in the age of pisces. This is what the fish symbol really means. Just check out the pope here.




Notice his worship of the fish god.

www.geocities.com...

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There is a god of the universe. Civilizations rice and fall with the changes of the ages. There is a divine presence in the universe. When the age turns civilizations rise and fall, this is a fact, they don't want you to know. Bible prophecy comes true because they, whoever wrote the bible knew this. Revelations directly relates to the changing of the ages. The next coming change is dec 21, 2012, but it is not the date, it is the actual event we have to watch for. We will not know the day or hour this event happens.The alignment that is. In revelations, "I come as a thief". This is what this means. The alpha and omega. Beggining and end. The snake eating the tail.

Check out James Earl Jones in this documentary.

www.dark-truth.org...

This is what the bible means when it says war broke out in heaven. The ancients knew this. This is why they were so into the heavens. There is something really to this. I have done some homework and matched the dates of rising falling civilzations. They match perfectly to the changing of the zodiac.

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Originally posted by kamikazekid
can't believe i am first to reply to this interesting topic.

It is true that they all have the same archetype. The pre necine bible there is only one god the LORD thats the difference a christian can put forward pagans are polytheistic like the majority of religions you just mentioned. The holy trinity wasn't introduced til 325 ad which is the belief of many orthodox christian religions including roman catholic. This i think has undermined monotheistic message of the bible. Jesus did not claim to be god or a god merely claimed to be spreadin his word and was able to channel his divine power.

Actually, Jesus did claim to be the son of God. Now what exactly he meant by that is a little vague. Some people interpret it as that we are all children of God, others interpret it literally meaning he was the son of God, others believe Jesus Christ was God, Yahweh, incarnate. No one knows for sure because Jesus often spoke and taught in parables.

I know the story of him spitting in the mud and placing it on the blind man's eyes and cured his blindness. The pharisees didnt believe it and questioned the man's parents and him. But when the man saw Jesus again, he said something like, "who are you?" and Jesus said "who do you think I am?" and he replies "The others say you are the messiah," Jesus says, "well, know that you have looked upon him, the son of God." So yes, he did claim to be the son of God.



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The story follows the same myths as previously mentioned, to the tee.

This is why jews don't worship him, he never exsisted.

Im sorry I used to be born-again. If you really look into the astrotheology in christianity you will open up a pandoras box you can never walk away from. Im only touching the tip of the iceberg. This is why it so evil to be into astrology. They don't want you to know the truth.

There still is a god though, what else could cause civilizations to rise and fall to the clockwork of his universe.

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Jesus did say that he was son of god I am fully aware but how does this make him a god or godlike. He never said i am god he was made in his image like we supposedly are.

Its hard to say he never existed thats were your faith is supposed to come in to it. The jews do believe he existed BTW they just don't view him like catholics or islamic faiths only as a mere prophet and not as a divine being so you should get some facts straight. And i don't see how the old testament was polytheistic provide proof please.
I don't think you can link paganistic beliefs with their highly advanced astrology and numerology. These are part and parcel of the cycle of life doesn't. It mean you should go back to worshipping the sun.

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Originally posted by rich1974
Every religion on this planet including christianity has come from pagan traditions, and astrotheology.

Example. Jesus and all the same similar saviour myths that were exactly the same.

Christmas...

The world's crucified gods have their traditional birthday on December 25th. This is because the sun makes an annual descent southward until December 21st or 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops moving southerly for three days(notice jesus resurected after 3 days) and then starts to move northward again. During this time, the ancients declared that "God's sun" had "died" for three days and was "born again" on December 25th.

Jesus was crucified on the cross which is the ancient symbol for the sun.
en.wikipedia.org...
Easter/passover...

Is when the sun passes over the equator celebrating Spring

Osiris/Jesus similarities coincidence... They are the exact same myth as
Adonis,
Apollo,
Baal of Phoenicia
Beddru of Japan Buddha of India
Hesus of the Druids Horus,
Osiris, and Serapis of Egypt, whose long-haired, bearded appearance was adopted for the Christ character
Indra of Tibet/India
Jao of Nepal
Krishna of India
Mikado of the Sintoos
Mithra of Persia
Odin of the Scandinavians
Prometheus of Caucasus/Greece

The virgin Mary...
Conjugation that annually takes place at the vernal equinox. God, the Father, the Sun personified, at this time is joined to commence the Gestation of the Son (Sun) of God, that will be born 280 days later on December 25th.

I could go on for weeks. The origins of most religions is astrotheology and paganism. Sorry its a fact. People are dying over it, and it is high time the truth be known.

At the same time evolution is a joke.

Rich




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I have been doing alot of research myself on religion lately and was astounded to realise how many things came from ancient scriptures not normally associated with monotheistic religions (Islam, Judaism, Christianity)

Two examples are the seven heavens mentioned in the Quran.

In Greek mythology, Atlas had seven daughters in the Pleiades constellation. It is also the number of stars in the constellation Ursa Major. In religion, the number seven is important in Judaism; the Sabbatical year arrives every seventh year, seven blessings are recited during a Jewish wedding ceremony, in fact, seven is a highly symbolic number in Jewish tradition.
Even in Christianity, the number seven features rather prominently, with the seven deadly sins, the number of churches of Asia, to which the Book Of Revelations is addressed, the seven virtues, and in the Bible, it is said that seven is the perfect number (with six being the imperfect number).
In the ancient cult of Mithra, the Indo-Iranian God, we find also the number seven features...there were seven degrees of initiation, these degrees allowed the neophyte to proceed through the seven celestial bodies.
In Sumerian literature (circa 4000BC), Inanna, the original Holy Virgin, traversed seven gateways during her descent into the underworld; it is the number of main islands in the mythological city of Atlantis; in fact, a look at the Wikipedia entry for the number “seven”, will give you some idea of how important this number is for many different cultures, civilisations and religions

Then there is the tree and the serpent.

The Tree in the Garden, was of course, also present in Judaism and Christianity. But what is less known is that similar trees also appear in other, more ancient religions.
The Sumerians for example, have seals, with the iconic image of a tree, guarded by a serpent.

In ancient Greek religion, there is the Garden of the Hesperides where either a single tree or a grove of immortality-giving apple trees, grew. Not trusting the nymphs (the “hesperides”), the Goddess, Hera, kept a dragon to safeguard the trees.

In Hindu religion, there is the “Tree of Jiva and Atman”. The story behind this legend is as follows:
The Rig Veda speaks of two birds, one eating fruit, and one merely watching the source of feelings inside the tree, perched on the branch of a tree which signifies the body.

The first bird represents a Jiva, or individual self, or soul. She has a female nature, being a sakti, an energy of God. When the jiva becomes distracted by the fruits (signifying sensual pleasure), she momentarily forgets her lord and lover and tries to enjoy the fruit independently of him. This separating forgetfulness is her spiritual death and constitutes the fall of the jiva into the world of material birth, death, disease, and old age.
The second bird is Atman, an aspect of God, who accompanies every living being in the heart while she remains in the material world. He is the support of all beings and is beyond sensual pleasure.

Although possibly coincidental, it is interesting to note how similar the names “Jiva” and “Atman” are, to “Eve” and “Adam”


Wikipedia Seven

Wikipedia Tree Of Knowledge

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How about believing in yourself?

Originally posted by thebox
How about believing in yourself?

Does believing in yourself mean you cant also believe in the existence of God?

Originally posted by geek101

Originally posted by thebox
How about believing in yourself?

Does believing in yourself mean you cant also believe in the existence of God?

No, but personally, I don't have time to entertain such ideas.

Originally posted by rich1974
Im sorry I used to be born-again.

live and let live man.
just like an ex-smoker....you people are the worst when it comes to religion bashing.

let people believe what they want to. why are there some many threads here talking about how christians are rediculious?

what happened to deny ignorance?

I agree with your entire post, OP, except that last part about evolution being a joke.

Evoloution does occur, and continues to do so. Saying it does not is rejecting a fact.

No, I don't think humans came from chimps, or single celled amoebas. But, I do know that over time, the human species changes to adapt to environmental change.


We are all a part of a universal energy. That energy surrounds us, flows through us, and continues on even after we die. Every living thing is a part of that energy. Jesus was a son of that energy, as are we children of it. This energy is what we have adopted as God.

Humans personify things as a way to explian them. That's the way it's always been. We also have something called an imagination that tends to not only personify things, but come up with stories to build those things up. We somehow cannot grasp that we don't have to explain everything because we weren't meant to be able to. We try and try though, and all it turns into is a fight about who's story is better.

Yes I believe in God. Yes I believe in Evoloution. I also believe that the Bible and the Koran or any other religious text are decent guides to live by sometimes, but when people start twisting their messages to benefit an evil motive, that is where danger and evil lurk.

In many ways, religion is it's own worst enemy.

So I am all for believing in God, but as you point out, religion these days is very unworthy of belief.

Nice thread....

Originally posted by rich1974
At the same time evolution is a joke.

Just when I was starting to enjoy and appreciate the post, something like this had to pop up. Was it necessary to throw that in? I am not going to explain evolution for you, as there are plenty of threads on that, but i recommend you do some research before just blurting that out. Or at least explain why you think so. I can't even figure out why that was said as it doesn't relate to the topic of how monotheistic religions relate to paganism, but hey, your thread, your opinion.

Originally posted by rich1974
They don't want you to know the truth.

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This is exactly the mentality and the attitude why religion starts so many wars. The "They" attitude or they are less than us. Our religion or theology is better than theirs. Our religions contains the truth and theirs is flawed, but we'll save you from eternal damnation. Whatever!

Personally I think all religion is dogma drivel for controlling the masses, but this is my personally opinion.

Religion can be a wonderful tool, but their are to many corrupt people that twist the words for their own personal agendas and use it to control the masses of willing people.

God? well I believe if you want to see God just look in the mirror and all around you because we, they, them, it is all God. God is just a name and not a separate supreme being, because I believe we are all this thing called God.



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Originally posted by RealtruthGod? well I believe if you want to see God just look in the mirror and all around you because we, they, them, it is all God.

Reminds me of a wonderful (if thought provoking) comment i read somewhere.

You should see God in everything. Once you say that God is not part of something, you have just limited God