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"You know, Freemasonry dates back to the time of Solomon and his Temple."
Originally posted by cain-diedhi
I heard that the Knight's Templar fled to Malta and then onto Scotland where they created the whole structure of Freemasons. If this is true then the connection/dates between Solomon and the Knights Templar's (later to be freemasons) is very interesting.
This is something I am presently looking into so I'm not claiming this to be true (at this time anyway).
By the time the Hospitallers reached Malta, the Templars were "officially" disbanded. It is around this time where some say surviving Templars fled to Scotland and eventually became the Freemasons.
Originally posted by Roark
It sounds like he's confused some of the allegorical legends with actual history.
It is commonly held that speculative Freemasonry (which is the only relevant kind in the context of this discussion) was formed circa 1717.
"Free" stonemasons, and "Free" stonemason's guilds, certainly existed prior to this, but if they contain an esoteric facet to their teachings, it is not the same material which we use in our teachings today.
Originally posted by cain-diedhi
Zhenyghi
By the time the Hospitallers reached Malta, the Templars were "officially" disbanded. It is around this time where some say surviving Templars fled to Scotland and eventually became the Freemasons.
It seems you have solved your very own mystery then? If you know this to be true then why did you start this thread?
Originally posted by Zhenyghi
I want to know what Masons here "say" about the foundings.
Originally posted by Zhenyghi
I specifically asked Masons about their understanding of Masonic history, and used a Masonic gentleman's comments as an example. In the portion you quote from me I say, "Some say...".
I want to know what Masons here "say" about the foundings.
Hope this clarifies,
-Z
Originally posted by Tamahu
Thanks Masonic Light
According to Manly P. Hall(in his "Riddle of the Rosicrucians"), Francis Bacon was behind the founding of modern FreeMasonry(I will from now on divide Free-Masonry into Primitive, modern, and contemporary), and was also behind the re-vealing of the Rosicrucian Brotherhood to the public.
Not to mention, the true author of the works of William Shakespeare and the founder of the Royal Society!
Elias Ashmole, Robert Fludd, and Michael Maier are also said to be key figures.
www.phoenixmasonry.org...
Originally posted by Masonic Light
His thoughts, IMO, concerning spirituality were most often correct,
Also, of course, William Shakespeare wrote the Shakespeare plays. Bacon writing them is a myth created by the aristocratic elite; they claimed that no one as poor and uneducated as Shakespeare could have been such a genius, so therefore some rich dude of "good breeding" must have written them for him. Of course, such nonsense was nothing but class prejudice.
It is unlikely that Francis Bacon was ever associated with any Rosicrucian movement, nor was he ever a Freemason.
Ashmole, however, is a different story. It is a fact of history that he was a Mason. It is also a fact that his library contained many curious volumes as to alchemy and magic, as well as the entire body of Rosicrucian literature in existence. I believe him to be one of the links between to the original Rosicrucian fraternity and the modern Masonic Rose Croix.
Originally posted by buddhaLight
And most don't even see it.. The matrix is a reality. Not as you know it from the movies.. But in a subtile manner. Via beaurocracy, media manipulation and the right guys in politics.
Originally posted by Tamahu
Manly P. Hall(along with Godfrey Higgins) seems to be one of the least-elitist and least-prejudiced of Masonic authors.
(He was Elite, not an elit-ist; there's a difference)
Manly P. Hall wrote that his statements in regard to this association, were largely based on his deciphering of certain ciphers.
Why would he just make that up?
Originally posted by buddhaLight
About shakespeare.. How can you believe this hoax.
This shakespeare stuff is also not only bacons work. It's the work of a group of people with a goal.
What would you do if you had all the money to do whatever you want to.
Or what would you do if you are in control of the banking system? Some people are in control of nothing and others are in control of everything. This has been going on for hundreds of years and even thousands of years. The real elite has never changed. Look at the bloodlines of these families. Look at the royal elites. Trace back their bloodlines.. They only think in terms to preserve their power.
They have been manipulating the mind of the masses for thousands of years. Plato discussed it, the egyptians did it and the freemasons do it. But don't get me wrong. Freemasons under 33° mostly haven't got a clue about who's really in control.
WHEN is not so important. Freemasonry is a new word for older excisting religions or fraternities or whatever you want to call it. The rituals for the freemasons are similar to rituals by the older fraternities. Their rituals, symbols and worships are the same as those used in ancient times.
Look at the resemblance in the architecture of freemasonry and the temple of solomon..
freemasonry is only important because it is and was the main vehicle for the elite to create bureaucracies and the system as we know it.