Substitute for Oil

Is there really a good Substitute for OIL? Oil has been such a very very important stuff in our lives.. It is indispensable... news are saying Oil is goin to finished soon if we do not control the massive amount that we consume. So is there really a viable and feasible method to alleviate our dependence on oil?

Check this out

www.hydrogenenginecenter.com...

Hydrogen is becoming more and more viable as an option for
vehicles, not to mention things like Solar, Hydroelectric, Wind,
Even Nuclear power is now considered relativley safe if properly
managed. all these things could be used for everyday energy
to power homes, businesses etc.

BTW here is another really good link that helps descibe the oil crisis
and the ratio between the amount of energy spent obtaining a fuel
compared to the amount of energy the fuel provides. Sadly oil is still
by far the leader in this respect, but that will change as the wells run
deeper and drier thus raising the cost for each for each barrel obtained.
check it out this is a great read

www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net...

I don't know if it would work but extremely fine graphite powder is used as a lubricant...you couldn't run an engine on it...but for other uses of oil... its a thought.

To my knowledge there is NONE>
OIL as a fuel gives as amuch as 300 times more energy in portable form than any other substance or process.
The problems with other sources may not be surmountable in the near term when we will already be feeling the oil pinch.
Mexico has doubled the price of corn flour because of bio fuel using the corn supply more .
If we end up using food production to augment fuel production we will loose in the long run in the energy exchange.
All the ways of replacing oil are more cumbersome, and less efficient, as well as the fact that oil itself is required in the production of any of them.....signifigant amounts of it.
We are up against a huge wall if we cant fix our addiction to oil consumption.

All the ways of replacing oil are more cumbersome, and less efficient, as well as the fact that oil itself is required in the production of any of them.....signifigant amounts of it.

Good point!!

And all the more reason why we should be using our current supply
to research and manufacture other means of creating energy, before
we get to the bottom, where it will reduce to all out war for the last of
the reserves (the begining of which is already upon us)

Scary stuff..

I for one am afraid, and I am even more afraid for my 11 year old son
who will have to shoulder the burden when there truly is no more oil
to squaunder.

I say again

www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net...

Yes there is and it is called Algae Oil .
Give or take a month or two but imo in 3 years time the energy will be a surplus to requirement .

Algae oil

www.unh.edu...

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[edit on 5-2-2007 by AlienChaser]

That's cool. I haven't seen algae fuel yet. I've seen hemp biodiesel.

I think we have a lot more options that we are sometimes led to believe.

There are energy sources all over the place. We are only in a mess if we don't use these sources.

Troy

Well, it seems that we cannot run from the fact that nothin is really much better from oil.. Nuclear power is extremely expensive and what are we going to do with the nuclear waste? Hydrogen is still considered to be expensive too. Well, I guess that the real substitute for oil will only come when our oil reserves has finished...

Sure, there may be a substitute, but everything else would pale in comparison to oil. The economy would never again be the same.

How will this hurt the economy? We just won't be dumping money in greedy oil pockets, that's all. What do the oil companies really give back to us, besides dirty fuel? They aren't putting money in my pocket. They aren't improving my health. And as far as I know they help fund drug companies. No detriment to me if they go out of business.

Lubricants? We have other lubricants, no need to worry.

As far as taxes, the government will find something else to tax us on.

Na Na Na Na - Na Na Na Na - Hey Hey Hey - Goodbye!

Let the oil execs be humbled and work at McDonalds for once. If they were smart and really cared, they would invest in cleaner technologies, and profit from that.

Troy

[edit on 7-2-2007 by cybertroy]

Oil is alot more then gas, diesel and lubricants. Almost every drop and byproduct becomes something.

Clothing Ink
Heart Valves
Crayons
Parachutes
Telephones
Enamel
Transparent tape
Antiseptics
there is so much more

www.anwr.org...

Originally posted by cybertroy
How will this hurt the economy? We just won't be dumping money in greedy oil pockets, that's all. What do the oil companies really give back to us, besides dirty fuel? They aren't putting money in my pocket. They aren't improving my health. And as far as I know they help fund drug companies. No detriment to me if they go out of business.

Lubricants? We have other lubricants, no need to worry.

As far as taxes, the government will find something else to tax us on.

Na Na Na Na - Na Na Na Na - Hey Hey Hey - Goodbye!

Let the oil execs be humbled and work at McDonalds for once. If they were smart and really cared, they would invest in cleaner technologies, and profit from that.

Troy

[edit on 7-2-2007 by cybertroy]

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[edit on 3/22/2007 by benevolent tyrant]

Where was I whining? My god man. If I offended you, I'm sorry.

I know that there are some good, hard working people doing dangerous and thankless jobs in the oil companies. I sometimes forget that, so if I have offended those folks, again I'm sorry.

But there are some folks "running the show" who are greedy, who constantly jack prices up and down.

Do you know how hard it is to fill your tank when you don't have much money at all?

We must find other alternatives. Oil is not the "be-all, end-all" of fuel. We are setting ourselves up for problems if we let ourselves think this.

And, no, it wouldn't hurt our economy if we transitioned over to something else. Why on earth would we use oil if there is something better? Where is there a written law that all we can use is Petrolium? We just have to be creative in the transition stage.

Troy





[edit on 8-2-2007 by cybertroy]

Fellas, No matter how much scientist try and find a substitute for oil, it would just be a waste of time. This is because the oil companies of this world are so POWERFUL, all they would need to do is just buy off all the companies who are experimenting and coming out with ideas that are trying to eliminate the use of oil, and it has been done before. Fact of the matter is, they don't give damn about the earth or its' resources, just there own wallets. Cash is king.

Yeah, they have a lot of cash. No arguing that.

Some people you could "buy." But, not everyone can be "bought."

Troy

Of big oil, By big oil, For big oil

Soitenly, Big oil is a big problem!!
This refers to Big oil as a whole

Big Oil (wikipedia)

Not to your average blue collar worker, and not to most
white collar oil workers but as Cybertroy says There IS corruption within the industry and it is linked to politics and dollars in frightening ways. Oil production has peaked worldwide, and those at the top (oil and politics) know this and are trying to cash in as much as they can, as fast as they can, however they can. before it all hits the fan.. Then they will take the money and run off to their safe little hideaways in the hills and live a life of luxery completely off the grid. (do a little digging and see just how many of these top execs and politicians already have homes away from cities that are completely off the grid... What will you do without power?) They will leave us and our children to figure out what to do when the oil's gone, and thats what the elite want. after all without the ouil we can't produce anywhere near the food that we can now, much less store it or transport it, but we will fight for it. what faster way to cut the world population in half without killing the planet, the people starving and killing each other for the scraps. After a generation or so the elite come back with all the top technology and "rescue" whoever's left. This is "their" idea to save the planet, and it's why Big oil doesn't care about alternative energy, they dont have to and they don't want to, why would they want to prolong de-population?? Bottom line

BIG OIL=BIG PROBLEM

Now I'm not trying to insult you or "whine" so there is no need to respond to me the way you did to cybertroy. These are my opinions, Do a little checking and you may just agree with me on some of this..


Big oil and lobbying

Boston world oil conference

Big Oils MTBE cover up



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[edit on 11-2-2007 by AlienChaser]

the hydrogen economy is in its current state, a scam. inefficiency at its finest.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

i don't know whether it can be improved to a point where it could be a viable alternative, it probably can, today's tech is not it, though and any enthusiasm is misplaced as long as results are unsatisfactory.


improvements for biofuel processes, for example are readily available, but how many people know f-ex. of solid state catalysts for biodiesel production?

biofuel.bokee.com...

The economy would drop off, definitely due to the added cost of fuel and the ratio of fuel obtained to fuel burned. I think back in the 1950's it was 25:1, now at bout 4:1. Even at 4:1, oil is better than any substitute.

I hear the arguments, but we need a renewable source of energy. Bottom line. It will all work out.

Troy