What would you say about a White History Month?

Originally posted by ceci2006
I'm not surprised anymore and rather underwhelmed.
[edit on 13-2-2007 by ceci2006]

..... and still editing, and reediting, and rereediting insults.

What's the matter Ceci .. nobody wants to talk to you anymore on your 'race relations' thread and no one wants to be bothered with you on that 'two sides' thread (which is NOT two sides, but just your echo chamber) ... so you come on here to post insults. Pathetic. :shk:

edited ONCE to add more of her insult from that same post -

Anything to explain away the obliviousness continually expressed on this thread. :shk:

[edit on 2/13/2007 by FlyersFan]

I TOTALLY support BHM! As long as everyone who wants a month can have one. I just don't support BHM when all other races are excluded from having their own month.

And I thought it would be obvious to anyone with a sense of humor that I was having fun. See all the smiley faces and "Girl Power!" things and everything?

Have some fun. Laugh a little!

[edit on 13-2-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]

Nothing's funny.

And, other races are NOT excluded from having months.

AND, I still say no to WHM.

You should change you name to trueseekka only when it applies to me and my people. You don't deserve to have a name of power like that if you stand for discrimination of any race.

Maybe when we get a black president he will be the one who will finally break through the prejudices and make a White History Month.

[edit on 13-2-2007 by Royal76]

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by ceci2006
I'm not surprised anymore and rather underwhelmed.
[edit on 13-2-2007 by ceci2006]

..... and still editing, and reediting, and rereediting insults.

What's the matter Ceci .. nobody wants to talk to you anymore on your 'race relations' thread and no one wants to be bothered with you on that 'two sides' thread (which is NOT two sides, but just your echo chamber) ... so you come on here to post insults. Pathetic. :shk:

This is a record of my continual harassment from FlyersFan for any moderator or super moderator who comes by and reads this thread. FlyersFan's post to me demonstrates taunting, intimidation, personal attacks, ridiculing as well as off-topic, derailing comments. This has been a consistent pattern for quite a while. And I would like help from the staff to insure it stops.

Plus, she edited in a comment to further bait and intimidate me.


[edit on 13-2-2007 by ceci2006]

Originally posted by Royal76
You should change you name to trueseekka only when it applies to me and my people. You don't deserve to have a name of power like that if you stand for discrimination of any race.

Maybe when we get a black president he will be the one who will finally break through the prejudices and make a White History Month.

[edit on 13-2-2007 by Royal76]

Pffff. The tag was about 9/11. But anyways...

As long as there is White History Year except for February and the school system is Eurocentric, I say no, no, NO to WHM. That is WAY different from me saying no to an Asian History Month. Until American society rinses away most of the whitewash, I will stick by my sentiments.

Heh.

Good luck with that spit, Ceci. I'm sure you've already learned that the complain button doesn't do a damn thing either.

I am certainly tired of the "complaint button does nothing" comments I have seen from both Ceci and yourself truthseeka. I find it offensive that some people want to constantly accuse others of all sorts of nefarious actions or thoughts and then cry "he's picking on me" in return.

I also find it offensive to assume that the staff here does nothing with complaints submitted. Some complaints require action and some do not, but EACH one is handled by a team of people that VOLUNTEER their time to deal with issues.

I hope you realize that your "broad brush" insults just painted me in those statements. I thought most of these threads are about not generalizing people and yet...


If you have such a problem with the Staff here, I could suggest many other sites without moderation for your visiting pleasure.

Now, how about a little peace and more tolerance from everyone. Agreed?
Might be nice to be more educational and less confrontational.

For my position, here are some articles that might shed some light. This first one is by Milwaukee Sentinel Columnist Eugene Kane:

History month marked by current events
It's hard to believe we're not even halfway through Black History Month.

As an African-American columnist for the local newspaper, I often hear lots of griping from readers this time of year, mainly from those who want to know why Black History Month exists.

"We don't have a White History Month!" is the usual refrain.

That may be true, but it misses the point. Much of mainstream American education has given such short shrift to the contributions of most minority groups that one could make the case every month is White History Month.

Black History Month can serve as a welcome diversion from the norm as well as a much-needed counterbalance to negative attention on African-Americans the rest of the calendar year.

I have heard "colorblind" and "all human race" proponents often quote Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King's saying of "judging one by the content of their character." This has been woefully misappropriated by the conservative right, neo-cons and libertarian ideologies, dating back to the Reagan Era.

In providing an argument against the colorblind ideology that is proposed in disbanding all the months for the sake of one group of people, it is best to provide a critique of the colorblind approach to equality and the misuse of Dr. King's words to support this oppressive ideology. This article is a rather interesting read in laying bare the ideology which has butchered Rev. Dr. King's message:

The Dangers of Misappropriation: Misusing Martin Luther King, Jr.'s Legacy to Prove the Colorblind Thesis, 2 Michigan Journal of Race and Law 101-130

The passage of time since King's life and death makes it easier to misuse and abuse his legacy. The farther away extant society is from the days of the Civil Rights Movement and the less informed society is and remains about the specifics of those days, the more likely it is that some will simply not know or appreciate King's real views. Because "what is forgotten is as crucial as what is remembered," some have found it convenient to, in Henry Louis Gates' words, "airbrush out the more radical aspects" of King. Such airbrushing has been applied by advocates of colorblindness who enlist King in support of their cause. Invoking the name of Martin Luther King, Jr., in support of colorblindness gives proponents of that theory a number of advantages. First, it provides them with a powerful rhetorical weapon. Linking the image of Dr. King and his efforts in the struggle against racism and injustice to colorblindness provides that theory with a veil of legitimacy. If not closely examined and analyzed, this veil could serve to replace reality and set up a no question zone--after all, the misappropriators can argue, how can one disagree with Dr. King? How can those who are color-aware square their position with the purported colorblind vision of the man who said that he dreamed of the day when his children would not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character?

Despite manipulations of rhetoric, the argument that King was colorblind is simply wrong. But in the absence of a willingness to educate ourselves and to correct the glaring as well as the subtle errors in the King-supported colorblindness argument, it becomes easier to misstate and distort King's views and to substitute iconolatry and fundamentally flawed assumptions for argument and accurate conclusions. If the King-was-colorblind argument is not refuted, the misuse of his legacy will continue to be used to illegitimately skew the colorblind versus color-aware debate in favor of the former. That debate should be won or lost on the strength of the arguments made and reasoning employed by both sides and not on the basis of caricature, misrepresentation, and misappropriation.

Those who disagree with the proposition that the "question of race" is "not one of blindness, but of vision" should search for and rely upon facts and themes that do not misappropriate Martin Luther King Jr.'s legacy. Any such misuse of King as a symbol for colorblindness must be recognized for what it is: a deception (knowing or unknowing) built on misleading sound-bites, ahistorical and acontextual "analysis" and other fundamentally flawed premises. This deception must be highlighted and continually questioned by those who are interested in accuracy, principled argument, and respect for King's actual words, acts, and life.

FYI

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Thanks for the well wishes, truthseeka.




[edit on 14-2-2007 by ceci2006]

These are two very different arguments against White History Month. The first deals with how the "colorblind" approach undermines the recognition of Black History Month because it presents an inability to deal with diverse cultures and histories. The second article argues about how Black History Month is needed because there is still a lack of knowledge about Black History. Furthermore, White History month has an over representation of history in traditional schooling.

Who Needs Black History Month?

Celebrating Black History Month no more confines the history of African-Americans than the one day MLK holiday confines the achievements of Dr. Martin Luther King. Or that St. Patrick's Day confines the history of Irish-Americans to March 17th. Want to know how to trivialize African-American history? Eliminate Black History Month.

Mr. Freeman and others maintain that in place of Black History Month, black history should be incorporated into the mainstream history of America. Their thought process is that black history can be celebrated every day by its proper inclusion in American history. Mr. Freeman went so far as to ask Mike Wallace, "Which month is white history month?" The answer unfortunately, is that every month remains white history month in this country, and it is precisely for this reason that Black History month remains relevant and necessary.

Sylvia Cyrus-Albritton, director of the Association for the Study of African American Life and History, (which originated the observance of what is now Black History Month), points out that the country still has a long way to go in making its history inclusive. As she told the Baltimore Sun in December:

We have a mission to research, promote, preserve and disseminate information about the contributions of African-Americans in history and their diaspora," she said. "When that mission is complete, maybe celebrations like Black History Month can take a different slant. American history books -- and the way it is taught -- still [do] not include the full contribution of African-Americans or other minorities for that matter.

[...]
We will not solve racial issues in this country by putting our collective heads in the sand and hoping they will go away. We can't run from our own racial past and delude ourselves that everything is ok in America. Our society still remains segregated in many ways, from where we live and where we worship, to who survives a hurricane. We like to think that we are a society beyond racism, but reality doesn't bear that out.

Race is America's great taboo, and the fact is that there are differences -- cultural and physical -- between people of different races. We need to acknowledge those differences. Pretending like they don't exist is ignoring the elephant in the room.

Why Black History Month?

So how come there is no official White History Month? In the words of a Tulane University Black History Month Web site, “a White History Month is not needed because the contributions of whites are already acknowledged by society. Black History Month is meant to remedy this inequity of representation.”

Of course, if standard U.S. history curriculum did a better job of teaching both the tragic and triumphant aspects of the expansion of democratic freedoms on this continent and its inextricable link to Americans of black African descent, then a Black History Month would be wholly unnecessary.

But when educated Americans at the dawn of the 21st century make statements like: My grandparents were immigrants who faced discrimination and made it. Why can’t blacks? All societies had slaves. Besides, some blacks were sold into slavery by black Africans – it’s clear to anyone familiar with the history of white-skin privilege in America that Black History Month has not outlived its usefulness. [...]black social mobility, (or lack thereof) cannot be understood without understanding the devastating impact of not only two centuries of slavery but a hundred years of organized, state-supported attacks on “free” black communities after slavery.

For sure, there have been many blacks who have overcome the odds, which is a testament to the resilience of the human spirit. But those blacks who have “succeeded” did so in spite of white-skin privilege; not because of it. Instead of asking why can’t blacks make it – a grossly imprecise question that ignores the significant achievements of thousands of African-Americans – we’d do better to ask: what obstacles have impeded the economic, political and social development of many black Americans? To candidly answer that complex question, the study of black history is inescapable.

FYI--More views about the debate.




[edit on 14-2-2007 by ceci2006]

I'm in favor of showing the same respect to all races in the months. Including White people.

If they don't have a WHM then they should disband all other months.

One of the things we all should have learned by now is that, you can't show favortism to any one group.

The government should.. SHOULD.. be like a perfect set of parents, who show their love EQUALLY to all of their children. There should be no favorites. When one parent favors one child the other eventually grows a hatred of that parent and especially that child who is shown favortism. If we want to stamp out hatred of others, we need to be treated as equals.

[edit on 14-2-2007 by Royal76]

Since you seem to keep missing this, I'll say it again.

Y'all have White History Year. Who cares if it's not explicitly stated; it's true. BHM ain't going anywhere. You only have to put up with it for 2 more weeks anyway.

NO to WHM.

I am tired of your same old @#$%%. "Every day is White History Day", is @#$@#$^%#%, you rehash the same old stuff, over and over. It's obvious that you refuse to at least learn or try anything new.

It does go to show that the biggest racist aren't alway white.

Don't get mad because it's true.

Since you want to talk integration, were schools integrating black history into the history classes before BHM? NO. Hell, schools weren't even integrating STUDENTS when BHM was Negro History Week. Even at the college level before BHM at the BLACK COLLEGES, no one was taught a thing about black history.

Yet you complain about not having your own month as if students aren't taught a THING about white history...rubbish.

You act like having a WHM would belittle African American's.

Did you go to school in the DEEP South...

Where I'm from most of the school year consisted of studying everybody elses traditions, history.

We studying all of the different Indian tribes, from beginning to present. How the evil white man took his land because he was better at war than him. We studied how African tribes men sold their own people to British Colonist who used them as slaves to save $ on paying people. We studied how the Asians built the railroads, and the Irish took all the jobs no one wanted like police and firemen. We studied the revolution, all the wars, like Vietnam were the poor, and anyone who was a not white go drafted and sent there for at least one tour.

So basically thats all I get to brag about, thats my everyday is white History day????????????????????????

How about the normal people who weren't slaves, they just made 10 cents a week, and never treated ANYONE with hatred. You refuse to seperate any white people from all of them. So since you refuse to seperate any from all neither will I. I think BHM should be canceled because it was the chiefs, and other African Americans who did the selling so all black people are at fault.

Blah blah blah.

The purpose of BHM is to teach black history. It started from Negro History Week, created to teach black history, as it was NOT taught.

You don't feel special because you don't have your own month? BHM isn't ABOUT making black people special; it's about teaching history that historically (pun intended) has not been taught.

THAT is why a WHM is ridiculous. You don't have a history of whites not being taught about their history. Of course, you can't understand that...it's aight, not my problem.

FYI, there are less than 2 weeks left of BHM. What will you do after that...wait until next year to talk about WHM?

Teach the History not being taught...

Teach the history of the regulary joe's not the plantation owners, and factory owners, but just the regular guy/gal.

I dont' have a problem with BHM.

The biggest problem white people had was because they were taught to treat all minorities that way. They were taught that all minorities were inferior. It took time and experiences for them to learn that a person should be judged on his/her character not skin.

Now we as a people are taught about the nobility of all races when dealing with the evil white race. It's time we got past sterotypes.

Originally posted by truthseeka
Yet you complain about not having your own month as if students aren't taught a THING about white history...rubbish.

Asking as an Australian.. what exactly is 'white history' to you?
Just like everyone else.. we are NOT all one race.
We come from several different countries and therefore several different cultures. Many americans here seemed unaware that the Irish were enslaved as well.. if all year was for white history.. shouldn't folks from the US know this stuff already considering slavery is meant to be such an important subject?

[edit on 16-2-2007 by riley]

Would be covered during White History Month. There's just another example of what most of the people don't realize about White History. It would be an opportunity to spread the truth not the lies we have been fed.

I would say that...whites are history, almost. A few decades from now, there will be no countries in the world where whites are majoriry. A little after that, there will be no whites.

So, yes, white history month will be held by other races, to remember the non-existant white race.