Why would E.Ts visit?

Being a general skeptic rather than a "cynic", I do believe that the sheer amount of so-called sightings, that many of them are legitimate. There are way too many for it to be fradulent, hoax or a mass delusion. There is an unfair stigma to those who have claimed to see a U.F.O, or to claim that it is an E.T.V (Extra Terrestrial Vehicle). Given the lack of technology that exists to be able to create objects that move that quickly without propulsion technology is definitely not a human creation.

Now, onto the next level of discussion. For those of you who believe that we are visited by Extra Terrestrial Vehicles, my main questions would be:

1.) What are the reasons they would visit? How many different species are visiting?

2.) Are there any credible government documents that would show it?

I know that hte Disclosure Project has brought some things to light, but I have not been entirely convinced of it as yet.

BeMoreCynical

The alien races visit because we are neighbors who share the same space. We are also friends and family between worlds. All advanced races visit their neighboring worlds. It's the way to share information and maintain peace. There are 218 races visiting, which I know from the alien races themselves. (It's ok if you don't believe or accept that- it's not a challenge.)

There are credible government documents that would show you the existence and visitation of alien life, but they are not available to you. These documents do not show the full or accurate truth about the visiting races, or number of visiting races, anyway. The governments only know a little bit about the alien races- only what the aliens want them to know. Any documents and other evidence made available to you are almost exclusively red herrings.

I wouldn't be inclined to accept your premise that 218 species are visiting us as we speak. We are one species, there are 218 species that you claim are visiting.

With that sheer amount of diversity, and let's say each species has 1 billion members, just to give a conservative amount, that's 218 billion people. They would be inclined to have their social structures, political movements and so forth. In a case like that, they would be interacting with everybody on this planet in some form or another. With those amount of people, there would have either been some form of an invasion, as it is impossible that with that amount of diversity that nothing substantial happens.

As you claim that you are in contact with them, I propose that you send them over to my house so I can speak with them personally.

Only certain elite professionals of a race travel to work at other worlds. Head representatives travel in crews, set up and stay, and travel back home to visit once or twice per year over the length of their assignments.

The equipment and technology to do this is not in every family's driveway. It's the same difference between a space shuttle and a car, only on a much greater scale.

The greatest difference between us and most other races is that we refuse to accept the potential contributions of our neighboring races. The powers of Earth who could do it for us are preventing it as much as they can, for as long as they can, instead.

Originally posted by BeMoreCynical
Being a general skeptic rather than a "cynic", I do believe that the sheer amount of so-called sightings, that many of them are legitimate. There are way too many for it to be fradulent, hoax or a mass delusion. There is an unfair stigma to those who have claimed to see a U.F.O, or to claim that it is an E.T.V (Extra Terrestrial Vehicle). Given the lack of technology that exists to be able to create objects that move that quickly without propulsion technology is definitely not a human creation.

Now, onto the next level of discussion. For those of you who believe that we are visited by Extra Terrestrial Vehicles, my main questions would be:

1.) What are the reasons they would visit? How many different species are visiting?

2.) Are there any credible government documents that would show it?

I know that hte Disclosure Project has brought some things to light, but I have not been entirely convinced of it as yet.

If you take the time to research the many threads about UFO's and alien visitation here on ATS, you'll find many reasons why they are visiting us. There is enough information to keep you busy reading for a few weeks. Why rehash the same information? It's all here for you.

The visitors should know by now that their conventional efforts are fruitless. Govts and big business like things just the way they are, for the positions of power and influx of wealth they provide. "For the betterment of mankind" is a phrase that does not compute with them.

If the visitors were to provide technology that eliminated our dependence on fossil fuels for energy, big oil would have a fit and go out of business. If the visitors provided us with medical advancements: cures for many presently incurable diseases, 1000% more efficient treatments for common illnesses, or even immunity to them.. imagine would that would do to the cash cow medical industry.

The visitors should also know that any technology given to our govts will result in 2 unasked questions from said govts. 1) How can we exploit this to make tons of money? 2) Can we weaponize it?

Even if they are very peaceful and giving species', who want only to share their knowledge to make our world better, and want absolutely nothing in return, there are many people in powerful positions that don't want that to happen. The visitors should know that by now too.

So... I can't think of any reason why aliens would visit us, except to study and document our society. They may want to do more, but maybe the aforementioned is all they can really do.

Just my opinion.

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Dave

It's hard to understand why an advanced civilization(s) would operate as many believe. Why operate in a clandestine manner, yet need "running lights" in the dark? Why deliberately appear, as if to tantalize, yet not present oneself for verifiable and incontrovertible documentation? If they're trying to remain "unseen", they're clearly incompetent and it's unlikely they'd be able to construct a Lincoln Logs cabin yet alone an interplanetary spaceship.

What are they trying to do? If they're examining us, wouldn't more sophisticated techniques be in play than flitting around wooded areas and kidnapping people who generally have little cache generally and certainly not within the respectable scientific or political communities? With all the photographic and video equipment available today (from cell phones to tiny recording devices) why aren't there any really crisp and irrefutable photos and videos upon which we can all agree? If they are "studying" us they are doing a sociologically terrible job, since their apparently pervasive presence for over 60 years now makes unobtrusive exploration impractical if not impossible.

I suspect we will someday come to the conclusion that the handful of truly inexplicable sightings have a more psychological than a scientific origin. There are many people making a living feeding on the misplaced, new age "spiritualism" of the UFO community, and they are hardly the objective "investigators" they pretend to be. It has become a "church" requiring a leap of faith rather than a legitimate scientific inquiry into a minor social peculiarity of seeing strange objects and beings...and that is hardly a new phenomena.

jerseyred

The alien races hide because they have to, but they also show up carefully, all through our history, and especially more so now. When they just show up openly, it only lends evidence to the disinformation and false beliefs, taking us further from the truth. True awareness for the publics is a process by the efforts of the alien races. Going through willing individuals is the best possible way to educate the people for now. Most who have the opportunity to meet the alien races and share true information about them, refuse.

When the aliens show up, they are shot at. When they are seen in an area, disinformation against them is further generated in that area. When a human learns true, progressive things from the aliens and speaks out about it, he is made a target as "a threat to national security" by Earth powers, and shut up.

The alien races do not abduct anybody. At one time, a few did, but that has been ended by the other alien races. The stories of it are exaggerated with horror and evil intentions and recycled over and over and over to keep the publics too afraid to trust any and all other races of people.

Nothing about this is new. Look at how we live on Earth and treat each other right here every day. Look at our superstitious, prejudiced beliefs. The masses are very easily led to believe whatever about whoever.

Two questions:

1) How is one supposed to refuse contact when you consider the circumstances of most claimed encounters?

2) When did the 'abductions' stop?

Sorry, Earth Sister, but I don't buy into any of the "facts" you list. There's not a single bit of good sound evidence--assuming one has a minimum standard of what constitutes legitimate evidence--that supports your contentions. I think much of this alien visitor nonsense stems from a loneliness that drives individuals into a self-created "fraternity" of people with some "special" knowledge. They even have conventions, and a growing cadre of "experts", who serve more as priests than scientists. Again, this is, I think, a psychological and sociological issue, and there's no hard evidence to the contrary. The heavy weight of the facts come down on the side of there being NO visitors, now or at any time in our past.

seenitall

1) How is one supposed to refuse contact when you consider the circumstances of most claimed encounters?

Contact is always a progressive course, but only if the human can and will progress. Most who have the opportunity can't handle the aliens and/or the disruption that contact causes to everyday life, and further contact, or just their awareness of it, must end. Most who have contact recall one or a few encounters but their instinctual fear and imaginations run away with the disinformation of the ufo field. When a human refuses contact, the aliens end it.

Personal contact occurs always in other states of consciousness, and only rarely physically. Most humans are unaware that they even have other states of consciousness. For many, their first discovery of it is due to their encounters with further evolved life. People who are already spiritually aware may have a much easier time understanding the nature of contact between people of different worlds, and more easily accept it.

When a human knows his alien contacts very well and works with them in other states of consciousness, and then he becomes aware of it physically, it is his physical state that is new to it. The efforts of the aliens to help bring the human to awareness are difficult to impossible. To the human, his own fear generates his immediately negative perception of the experience, but he then chooses to be educated by the popular perception of other humans, and not by the aliens.

2) When did the 'abductions' stop?

Actual abductions were being ended already when I personally became aware of it in May 1990, and finished in April 2000. Of all the races visiting, almost all of them were making personal contact with their own particular humans, and only a few races were actually abusing any humans in any way. The abusive races that would not change their methods can no longer visit Earth.

Initial and progressive contact continues to increase, but many humans may still feel, understandably, that any alien contact, their own or other's, must be abduction. Alien contact can be very frightening, and the words 'alien' and 'abduction' remain stubbornly synonymous in the minds of many humans whether they have ever had personal contact or not.

jerseyred

I understand your point of view as one who has never had any experience with alien life, and I agree it would be foolish of you to base any belief on other people's personal claims. But it's ludicrous of you to insist that nothing exists that you do not witness, nothing happens that does not happen to you, and that there is nothing to know that you do not know already.

You are right that many people are caught up in the ridiculousness of the alien/ufo subject on Earth, but that doesn't make the aliens ridiculous.






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EarthSister wrote...

But it's ludicrous of you to insist that nothing exists that you do not witness, nothing happens that does not happen to you, and that there is nothing to know that you do not know already.

I would agree, except that I never said I only accept what I have witnessed. There is substantial evidence that koala bears exist and I've never seen one. There is substantial evidence that there are honest politicians, but I have never seen one. What I have said is that there is precious little sound evidence for visits by aliens. I susbscribe to the old maxim that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs.

With that understanding, I accept the sincerity and integrity of many (although not all) of the people who make extraordinary claims about visits by presumed aliens and their crafts. But I accept them not at face value, but rather as their expression of modern day "spiritualism" akin to the visions and saintly apparitions of centuries past.

As a logical starting point, the same argument which offers that the mere vastness of the universe argues for the existence of other intelligent civilizations would argue that finding us, let alone visiting us, is an equally mathematical impossibility. We may not be alone, but we certainly have this big neighborhood all to ourselves.

jerseyred

I see plenty of evidence that you can see too, but you don't recognize it for what it is. It's disguised to you, both on the ground under your nose and in your mind. I'm not talking about the hoaxes, either.

I also see the alien people and their crafts inside and out. I talk with them and learn things from them. Many other people do also with me. That is my own evidence for which I have no expectation of you to accept from me.

You've made your point and I won't argue with you. Now if you still want to post here, let's stick to the topic of the thread.


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EarthSister wrote...

Now if you still want to post here, let's stick to the topic of the thread.

Why is it that "enlightened people" always seem to want to censor, constrain and control any positions or thoughts that don't conform to their own narrow view of the world? What is it, do aliens have an online course in "Censorship Techniques for the Abductee"?

As to being "off topic", the issue raised was the fundamental question of "why" aliens would visit. I have addressed just that issue at its core...that there is no reason for aliens to do so or evidence that they have done so. The "spiritual" answer you and others present as evidence of alien visitation is far more off-topic to a legitimate discussion of proofs and rational thought than anything I have posted here.

they visit for the same reason we go to space ... curiosity

I think they'd visit to come to Chicago for some deep dish pizza, or a good Polish with everything on it.

That's what I would do.....



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We re not being "visited", they have been here as long as we have...longer. They are not here to merely study us or for curiosity, it is much deeper than that.

opinion.

Did anyone consider Ockham's Razor in this mix yet?

1) The Violent Crime of Alien Abduction is real
2) NASA Coverup is real
3) Dual Lunar Missions were real
4) Buzz Aldrin Admitted "escorts" on GLOBAL TV
5) ETVs are real
6) Junk DNA is real
7) Structures upon the Moon and Mars are real
8) Breathable atmosphere on the Moon and Mars are real
9) The Bible is real
10) The book of Job is real
11) Autism rate in 1996 was 1 in every 10,000 newborns
12) Autism rate in 2006 was 1 in every 166
13) Austim has increased 6024% in 10 years.

The grays are the "workers". They are the "ranch hands". WE are the cattle. YOU are being watched just like cattle... just like herds of wild animals that we've tagged.

They've traded the right to access to our DNA for TECHNOLOGY. Satan tried this one time before as well... when the Nephilim were cast to Earth. The giants wreacked havoc upon humanity, so God flooded the earth.

We talk about so many deep and "crazy" topics... yet when it comes to accepting the truth... we simply seem to NOT reach there.

Even the bible says "refer to the ancient knowledge" to find the TRUTH. IE- the Sumerians... the Annanaki, et al...

It's alot less confusing than we make it... This grand deception originated in the Book of Job. This is when abduction began... whether or not it was "pursued"... I do not know... I know it HAS been pursued since the 1940's with vigor and intensity.

They want to destroy the Holy bloodline. They want to destroy the Holy Creation. They are manipulating ALL of our DNA... "dumbing us down".

You will be told soon that they are here to "save you". Those that believe it will be sorry...

Southpaw out.

I don't buy the aliens are evil line.

If they were, they would have come down and enslaved us...they can travel at the speed of light, and interdimensionally, yet, they are just abducting a handful of people, therefore they are evil?

What if i said to you, yes, aliens are real, but they are all friendly, and abductions on Earth are merely black ops playing mind games with the abductee and the UFOlogy community?