North Dakota UFO--- interesting footage

Originally posted by whos_out_there

CHECK it out i STABILIZED a lil clip of the video, maybe it can help out a bit.
If you want me to do more of the video let me know.

HI,
great job with stablizing, can you do the whole sequence? If you can I'm sure the whole ATS crew will be very greatful. I think this debate will go on for some time. The video is gonna get analized and talked about for years to come.

This in my opinion is one of the best i've seen in a long time. It doesn't feel as if its a set up and the suprise of the cameraman seems to be genuine and not made up. I just wished he said what the date was so it could be traced back. I've heard the radio interivew he gave where is states this was in 2004! so its a old video and not a new one.

He also states that he has had multiple UFO sightings but no mention to if he has any vidoes of those occasions.


Regards
Ironfist

I would like to seea picture of the area where this was taken in day time to see if any red harrings could be picked out ?

[edit on 4-2-2007 by ironfist]

Logicaly he meant that he was impressed at the color of the moon and im prety sure he didn't actually mean that he didn't know it was the moon....

Im impress you would think he didn't know what the moon is :0

Impressive display of punctuation and spelling.

Here is a cool part where it looks like one of them shoot away, i don't think it was due to the zoom. But I'm not sure.


www.sendspace.com...

[edit on 4-2-2007 by whos_out_there]

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Well although it looks good, the voice sounds genuine etc, i could easily fake this myself. You have no real perspective as it's dark so those objects are easy enough to fake, even putting them in after with a computer.

Easily? Ok, I'll accept your challenge. Show us.

that does kind of seem like a lens / light thing.

it's so uniform in how its laid out. but i'm not discounting.

Originally posted by GLDNGUN

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Well although it looks good, the voice sounds genuine etc, i could easily fake this myself. You have no real perspective as it's dark so those objects are easy enough to fake, even putting them in after with a computer.

Easily? Ok, I'll accept your challenge. Show us.

I concur, please do show us.

Originally posted by GLDNGUN

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Well although it looks good, the voice sounds genuine etc, i could easily fake this myself. You have no real perspective as it's dark so those objects are easy enough to fake, even putting them in after with a computer.

Easily? Ok, I'll accept your challenge. Show us.

I agree. Show us. Money where your mouth is. You also say you discount night sightings automatically anyway, doesn't sound like open-mindedness. If you can easily show how you can fake a night-time ufo video on pc (and make it look convincing), I'll happily chew my words.

Yes, the skeptics have a rock-solid platform when it comes to debunking (what I believe to be) genuine footage such as this one. They can offer up any explanation, and their standpoint will always remain defiant because "to not offer a logical earthbound explanation is not denying ignorance". So, the moment someone says "oh well I can rustle this fake up on my pc no problem at all", the 'believer' is beaten from the outset, even if the footage itself is genuine. The believer is automatically painted with the 'ignorant' stance, whereas the debunker can cast any blanket explanation and remain omnipotent.

I feel:
-the footage is genuine.
-no CGI was involved, nor flashing torches, nor flares, nor stars.
-the person filming (and the accompanying mp3 interview) reacts and behaves in a genuine way.
-the 'Star Wars' towards the end of the clip was truly amazing.. astounding..

I also think some of the reactions by the debunkers are ignorant in itself. Such as, saying "he's filming the moon.. whoop-de-do " (obviously never bothered to watch the rest of the film, nor his explanation for filming the moon in the mp3 interview). The formation reminds me very much of last year's Space Shuttle Atlantis ufo encounters. Lest we forget. Here is the link: www.abovetopsecret.com...

I guess the Atlantis ufos were cgi too, right? Flares? Idiot astronauts waving torches around into space? Perhaps not, but we were fed the BS explanation from NASA that they were nothing but space debris, nothing to get worried about. Maybe this cameraman managed to capture bits of foil drifting around the moon? In formation? Albeit, on nightshot mode?

Y'know, we've heard and swallowed every excuse under the sun, but we are not stupid. I hope disclosure comes sooner rather than later. Sick of being told we are seeing weather balloons and lens flares. You get my drift.

I would love to show you, but i don't have a video camera. Guys i believe in actual flying craft that civilian technology can't explain, but this kind of footage is easily faked.

I am truly sorry i can't go and fake this right now, but i don't have a video camera. Also i said i discount MOST night sightings out of hand, i still take a look at them. This one though i know i can fake, again if i had a damn video camera, which is now seriously annoying me as i can do this easily. Sorry this just isn't proof.

Can anyone on here with credibility in video editing please post to say how easy this one is to mess with?

Please don't put me up there with all the hard core skeptics, because i believe strange flying craft DO EXIST. So don't paint me as a close minded skeptic.

truly amazing video,i saw an object just appear out of no where at around 3:47,and 3 of the objects appear to split into 2 parts at around 4:22,and at about 6:23 it looks to me as if one or 2 of the objects move extremely fast.

if this is a hoax then i think the guy filming should get the golden globe award for best actor of 2007. because this is by far the best formation footage ive seen in ages

something is going on that the public doesnt know about ...maybe the government doesnt know either but somthething is going on ....i think we will see a very large amount of sightings this year.


Keep your eyes to the skies people

~Regards Mayan2012

This has got to be the best UFO video of 2007 so far. Really great footage.

You get a real sense of the emotion. "I think I may have a UFO event here!' that was just awesome, things must have been really intense at that point.

ImaginaryReality, can you tell us how you would go about faking this please then, just in words? Maybe someone else with a camera can try it.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
I would love to show you, but i don't have a video camera. Guys i believe in actual flying craft that civilian technology can't explain, but this kind of footage is easily faked.

I am truly sorry i can't go and fake this right now, but i don't have a video camera. Also i said i discount MOST night sightings out of hand, i still take a look at them. This one though i know i can fake, again if i had a damn video camera, which is now seriously annoying me as i can do this easily. Sorry this just isn't proof.

Can anyone on here with credibility in video editing please post to say how easy this one is to mess with?

Please don't put me up there with all the hard core skeptics, because i believe strange flying craft DO EXIST. So don't paint me as a close minded skeptic.

Now how did I know that we wouldn't really get your "easily" done clip?

Nobody accused you of being a "hard-core skeptic", just as nobody said that the video was proof that aliens were invading earth.

I have seen many shows with skeptics who claim this or that could "easily" be faked. Rarely do they actually go to the trouble of then proving their point, which is quite annoying. On one show I saw, a "Bigfoot" skeptic showed how "easy" it would be to fake a sighting. He had someone put on some kind of "bigfoot" costume and made a complete fool of himself. The guy in the costume looked like an absolute idiot. Anybody that saw him stumbling through the woods in his get-up would probably have injured themselves. Not from running away in terror, but from laughing so hard. The skeptic actually proved the opposite of what he claimed.

That's why when someone says "oh, that could be faked, easily", I am more than happy to say "Oh, really? OK, great. Show me!"

Originally posted by GLDNGUN

Now how did I know that we wouldn't really get your "easily" done clip?

Erm if i don't have a camera i don't have one plain and simple. I did do video editing in school as a hobby class. I know i can do it because we used to mess with all sorts of rubbish. Ok we didn't have expensive equipment, just a video camera. We did those annoying student films, but at least i know i could if i wanted to. Really is pissing me off now that i don't have the camera.

Nobody accused you of being a "hard-core skeptic", just as nobody said that the video was proof that aliens were invading earth.

I never said anyone said it was proof of alien life. RiotComing gave a clear view of me as close minded though.

Originally posted by RiotComing
You also say you discount night sightings automatically anyway, doesn't sound like open-mindedness.

I said i discount NEARLY ALL night sightings out of hand. Do not confuse close mindedness with wanting good quality proof. There is plenty of extremely good proof and this for me isn't it.

I have seen many shows with skeptics who claim this or that could "easily" be faked. Rarely do they actually go to the trouble of then proving their point, which is quite annoying. On one show I saw, a "Bigfoot" skeptic showed how "easy" it would be to fake a sighting. He had someone put on some kind of "bigfoot" costume and made a complete fool of himself. The guy in the costume looked like an absolute idiot. Anybody that saw him stumbling through the woods in his get-up would probably have injured themselves. Not from running away in terror, but from laughing so hard. The skeptic actually proved the opposite of what he claimed.

Actually i feel it would be extremely hard to fake a good bigfoot video. The posture, speed and walking style would be something i don't have the expertise to try and fake. Even if you got a specialist in primates the actual walk would be tricky.

That's why when someone says "oh, that could be faked, easily", I am more than happy to say "Oh, really? OK, great. Show me!"

Yes i agree with you, sadly all i have is my word here but i know i can fake that well, if i had the camera. The voice might be tricky, don't think i'm a good actor.

Is it real? I have no idea. Is it easy to fake? Yes this i know is true.

If it is real is it proof of much? Sadly no, just some lights flying about. If this had been a daytime sighting then i would be mroe impressed. Actually i was more impressed with the pheonix lights, the flare explanation simply doesn't fit. The video was more close up and i believe taken from multiple angles.

[edit on 4-2-2007 by ImaginaryReality1984]

Originally posted by whos_out_there
CHECK it out i STABILIZED a lil clip of the video, maybe it can help out a bit.

Thanks! That did the job better than I would have just comparing stills. Definitely shows that the objects are for all intents and purposes stationary. Good job

Here is a cool part where it looks like one of them shoot away, i don't think it was due to the zoom. But I'm not sure.
www.sendspace.com...

But you cut out the most important part, the reference point of the moon. I'm tellin' ya, watch the moon as the object moves. It swells and moves the exact instant the light "moves" to the right. It then shrinks and returns to place as the light moves left, stopping at the same time as the light does.

Hi,

Well, yea it can be done--but NOT "easily", and especially with the kind of normal software available for a PC or a Mac. Sorry--IF this is a fake, then it was professionally done. By "professionally", I am speaking of skills and video equipment that rivals Lucas Films.

I have run this one, frame by frame, through 2 video editors--Windows MovieMaker(]--with the WMV file that is available, and both files with Blaze Media Pro ( ). This was done frame-by-frame, slow run, and about every other way possible. I cannot find anything that tells me it was faked.

I am neither a pro, nor an expert in video enhancement. But, on the other hand, I have a number of years into retouch and removal of spurious items from Stallion and Mare pics used in promotions on equine breeder websites and printed material. For instance--removing wire fences and posts from foregrounds, etc. It is tedious work done a pixel at the time, and I do it almost every day. I pulled a contingent series of stills from these two files. In my opinion, based on the experience I have with enhancing electronic images, there is no way this video is faked. I base that on the serial stills and the dim objects, as the appear and disappear. It is impossible to see that happen in the video as it occurs too quickly--but you can see it in the stills and in slow motion. A Hoaxer, unless he was a pro, wouldn't take the time or the trouble. Further, a Pro wouldn't take the time unless there was something to gain. I don't even know this guy's name, but his voice tells me that he likely is a Rez Native--at least he likely learned English in a Native household. We have our own tonality and way of speaking. So, if he is a Pro and faked it, what did he gain? 15 minutes of 'Net fame on YouTube?

IMHO--Genuine sighting. Also--it isn't Flares or conventional aircraft.

[edit on 4-2-2007 by Ed Littlefox]

Just another line of thought, is it possible that these could be fireflies/lightning bugs which are quite prevelant in North Dakota?
He did have a tree in the video and the positioning of the lights appear to correlate with insects frollicking in the trees limbs.

These are another possibility
www.youtube.com...

[edit on 5-2-2007 by juggle]

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
I never said anyone said it was proof of alien life. RiotComing gave a clear view of me as close minded though.

Originally posted by RiotComing
You also say you discount night sightings automatically anyway, doesn't sound like open-mindedness.

I said i discount NEARLY ALL night sightings out of hand. Do not confuse close mindedness with wanting good quality proof. There is plenty of extremely good proof and this for me isn't it.

Fair enough, we all hunger for the good quality stuff. But for a spur of the moment night clip, this is as good as it gets. Well, maybe if it landed in his backyard it would be a bonus!

Making allowances for the circumstances, I can't see how this is faked in any way. You can complain that all you are seeing are lights in the sky, and that you're tired of grainy little starry dots (much like Bill Nye in the FOX interview), but the footage itself is what it is. For this reason, you shouldn't discount it altogether. Think of it as weaving itself into the rich tapestry of captured phenomena going on.

Originally posted by juggle
Just another line of thought, is it possible that these could be fireflies/lightning bugs which are quite prevelant in North Dakota?
He did have a tree in the video and the positioning of the lights appear to correlate with insects frollicking in the trees limbs.

These are another possibility
www.youtube.com...

[edit on 5-2-2007 by juggle]

there is one problem with that possibilty.

he couldnt see the objects with the naked eye. he had to zoom in.

now ive seen fireflies in trees before with my eyes lol so i dont think they were fireflies ...and if they are ...well this seems to me to be the first footage of fireflies splitting into 2 / or seperating lol

~Regards Mayan2012

Hi ImaginaryReality1984

all this talk about "IT COULD BE FAKED EASILY", tell us exactly how it could be faked. talk about the processes that have to be done, what filters would have to be used. what programmes have to be used. how long it would take to complete a video of the same length and duration. Don't say I don't have a video, just download any video and shows us the lights splitting and moving and the "Star Wars" effect. At least you can have some satisfaction of BACKING UP YOUR CLAIM. You have made it appear that this is something that can be done by anyone. please show us. If your up to it will a week be long enough for you to make a video for you to give us something to compare or do you think you will need longer ? becasue it's not faked or easily made but one of te most convincing videos we have seen in a long time!!

I'm tied of people just wanting to make claims and be ignorant for the sake of all (P.S this last statemant is not a go at you personally)

Best UFO video of the past few years IMO.

I've also had a good look at it in several video editing programs and all i can say is that there has been no tampering. He is genuinely a spooked man filming lights that he can't see... sounds strange but the lights weren't put into the video.

Unless he is acting his speech, which we do have to consider as a possibility, the video is as genuine as they come.