New Sex Offender Laws (so Scary!)

Is anybody else terrified by the new laws that are being passed. Yeah, sure they say it is just about punishing the worst of the worst, but it doesn't seem like that is what is happening.

A lot of low-level sex offenders, AND their kids are being utterly destroyed by these new registration laws. They may as well just give them the Death Penalty, because the rest of their lives are being taken away. And, I'm sorry, but some of the crimes, let alone the possibly innocent people on the lists, do not deserve these horrible laws.

God, their poor kids! The children of sex offenders are being harmed just as badly as the victims of true offenders!

I am no liberal, but I believe that the more drastic the punishment, the more definite we MUST be that a criminal is in fact guilty. Trust me, I have a kid, and the thought of something happening to her actually makes me retch a little bit.

People getting their lives destroyed because of plea bargaining, crime quotas, trials with no evidence, except the word of children, I don't know, but it is just terrifying.

Statistics say that even some of YOU will be convicted of a sex crime. Some of you will deserve it, some will not. But, even if you have never done anything deserving of this punishment, do not think you are safe from the horrors of false allegations, pictures found on a work computer, etc. At that time, all of this will become horribly real and personal.

There is also evidence that the justice department has been hiding stats on recidivism and vigilante action, because it goes against everything that the public has been told.

On top of that, these sex offender laws are just precursors to the other nifty new registration laws that will be set up for various other crimes. Plans are in effect to create similar registries for anybody that has ever even had a misdemeanor or felony. Yup, your face, names and addresses, sitting pretty on the internet for everybody to see.
Yeeesh.

Next, is a plan to create an online database that will put the faces, addresses and information for anybody that has certain, specified medical conditions and diseases.

Yes, it seems that all of this is coming our way, and we are just opening the doors to make it easier.

GPS tracking, blood alcohol testers in cars, signs and labels on cars and license plates, signs in front lawns, personal finance status on public internet registration sites, "chipping", etc.

And, now they are pushing the National ID Card thing.

Things are getting so scary out there. And the worst part is, almost every time a lawmaker comes up with some crazy bill... Bang!, it gets passed. Period. I mean, is anybody even watching these people? No checks and balances, no correction of mistakes, no help, no escape.

My final point: I think we are all going to end up with chips in us, a National ID Card in our pockets, our entire life history exposed to the public, and a Government using all of this data to control EVERY part of our lives.

What? You didn't tell your girlfriend that you have "Mono"?! Here, have 2 years in the county workhouse. You think I'm kidding?

[edit on 3-2-2007 by IeatALIENS]

Well, sad as it is, this is the wave of the future. I won't go into what I think about the need for laws and rules, but I will say that I hope that you spend time thinking about how to remain calm cool and collective in the future when all hope seems lost and the world begins to unravel (which is probably going to happen at a quickening rate).

About the methods and systems of the judiciary branch; it is nothing more than a very large business of self perpetuation waving the flag of justice for the people. It works well less than half the time at its very best.

I had my run ins with the law for stuff I really did and learned my lessons and paid my dues. For me it served its purpose even though I had to jump through all the hoops that were there for no other reason than benefiting the judicial beauracracy.

What I did find out in the process was that I had charges against me from other states that I couldn't have had anything remotely to do with, unless of course it was some out of body experience I don't remember. Nonetheless I have stuff on my "record" that I wasn't a party of.

The worst part about all of this is that the Government is using the scare tactics to convince everyone these are all great ideas intended to keep us safe and secure. People right now are paying for GPS in the cars/SUVs with On-Star. How can you trust a system that with a phone call, can open your car doors from a remote location in a completely different state?
But yet people everywhere think it's a great idea.

The government already knows the way to get the American people to do things, scare the hell out of them, and they will do whatever you say!

I live in a shady area of town with low income people, so I tend to keep my eye on who is who and what goes on around the hood so I know who I can trust and who I shouldnt associate with.

I look at our Sheriffs party list of sex offenders from time to time that tells me all around the neighborhood of who has had a conviction. Mind you, this tells you nothing of the nature of their crime, whether they plead guilty, innocent, or no contest. It just means they were convicted. It doesn't mean they actually did anything in the case of "no contest", but they were accused and didn't have the fight to fight it in a court lest they get the full sentence that the law allows if they take it to a full trial.

I noted, there were really no charges of the 20 some people within a mile of me that were of rape or anything to do with a child. So, in otherwords these people were all charged in sexual conduct related to some BS that probably was just some minor garbage of some dispute of he said she said, and wasn't worth the time of the courts to even call the person a criminal.

Seriously, I personally know a guy on this list and although I am aware of his past, I do not treat him with any less respect or dignitiy than I would anyone else. Society uses these sexual predator lists as a form of discrimination.

If I did something to become a sexual offender, I would probably lease a nice bottle of Nitrogen and just asphyxiate myself and get the burden of having to put up with societies fears behind me.

2 days ago, a Sex Offender in my state was stabbed to death, and his house burned down, weeks after his address was placed on t.

After researching, I saw that the man had made a living out of creating child porn. So, I am torn about his demise.
The problem I have, is how his entire family was effected by this end. After sentencing, jail and release, it all started over again, ending with this horrific death.

People, this is ALL about money. The various officials connected to the PA Megan's Law site, including the governor, are CONSTANTLY touting the number of web hits the site gets!

Can you believe how disgusting that is?! "Web Hits"! Like it is some sort of entertainment site. It makes me sick.

Other private sites that give this information are COVERED with money-making advertisements.

It is crazy.

States and local departments get big bucks for adhering to these new laws. Not to mention how easy it is to get a conviction for the cops involved.

you just need to be an outsider in this world to have that made up about you. a few years ago in england on the news they put people protesting outside a persons house. what did the man do that was wrong.

they said he was a paedo because he does not have a girlfriend. what stupid nonsense. but todays world is a tabliod news society, make up anything you want about people that are not liked, and everyone will believe you.

but an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

at least one day everyone will see that saying to be very true.

a sex offender in todays society could be someone who has never been interested in sex. if a man has no interest in sex he is a sex offender, class society, and his family have to pay too. this is because of these crazy society sheep following sheep laws, that persons life can be destroyed.

thank god i will never be bringing someone into this world.

[edit on 2/3/2007 by andy1033]

I realize from the previous posts that this is going to be an unpopular reply, but get a grip people. Sex offenders who prey on children are the worst of the worst and deserve whatever they get. They're disgusting. Sex offenders in general are pretty low on the totem pole to begin with. Hell, even other criminals hate them (which is kinda weird 'cause a lot of inmates end up as sex offenders themselves, but that's a different story I guess). How can anyone have a problem with laws that target these people? I don't get it. A friend of mine was arrested for having sex chat with a girl that he KNEW was underaged. I was disgusted. He said it was a mistake. He's gone to counseling and is getting help for his problem. Does that make him a good person again? NO! What he did was wrong. He needs to be reminded of that. And he agrees. IMO laws dealing with these people are too lenient in most cases. There was a serial rapist who requested castration at the hands of the state to help him stop being the way he was. He knew he was hormonally imbalanced and wanted help. He didn't get it. Public out cry over how wrong castrating him would be prevented it. That's insanity. The man ended up taking his own life in prison because he knew he would never get better. Good for him, that's what I say.

As far as I am concerned the families of these people should be just as disgusted with the perpatrators as anyone else.

And I don't buy into that whole "most of them didn't do anything wrong" crap. If every criminal in jail that said they were innocent were released tomorrow, the jails would be empty for about 24 hours - just long enough for them to get out, do it again and get arrested once more.

Originally posted by Mr No One
And I don't buy into that whole "most of them didn't do anything wrong" crap. If every criminal in jail that said they were innocent were released tomorrow, the jails would be empty for about 24 hours - just long enough for them to get out, do it again and get arrested once more.

Well YeeHar to that.

Step by step you are being conditioned that trials and subsequent sentencing without sufficient evidence are justified as long as the crime is bad enough. It started with Guantanamo Bay, and it will end with people disappearing in black death vans (like those in China?).

Go ahead, be outraged. I have a daughter, and would like to see true criminals punished according to law. But!

o The law must be just
o The process must be democratic
o The guilt of the accused must be established using lawful evidence
o After that punish according to law, but keep their families out of it.

Registration, regismasion.

Refuse everything! ID card, Chip, Fingerprints, Retina scan, Registrations, cavity searches or whatever morbid hegemonic control tool you can think of I say. Public disobedience all the way to the torture chambers if need be. But you want to be comfortable and liked by your neighbours you say?

Too late for that now, either get a lobotomy or start resisting.

I´ll bet you the "Live free or die" bumper sticker will go up this year, remind me to buy some longs July ´07 for the company who makes those.

Originally posted by Mr No One
There was a serial rapist who requested castration at the hands of the state to help him stop being the way he was. He knew he was hormonally imbalanced and wanted help. He didn't get it.

Knowing this, don't you feel that the strong influence of hormones becomes and uncontrollable desire that they simply do not have the willpower to overcome, and thus they go and act out their fantasies?

The problem seems to me in this case that there should be a way to treat what causes people to do this.

About a month after I quit smoking, my hormones kicked in like I was going through puberty again and let me tell you there wasn't a day that went by that I wasn't thinking about sex and women all the time. Fortunately, my body adjusted to this and it has subsided, but it made me realize that our sex drives are controlled to a great degree by a chemical process.

Don't you think it would cause society a lot let problems to medically treat people like this rather than do nothing and guarantee they may cause more harm?

Originally posted by Truth4hire
Refuse everything! ID card, Chip, Fingerprints, Retina scan, Registrations, cavity searches or whatever morbid hegemonic control tool you can think of I say. Public disobedience all the way to the torture chambers if need be. But you want to be comfortable and liked by your neighbours you say?

Um, that's a little paranoid don't ya think? Oh wait - look where I'm posting. Seriously though, if I wanted to be liked by my neighbors I would have chimed in with everyone else on how horrible these laws are.

Oh and I agree that the families of people who commit these crimes should be left alone - that is unless they continue to support said family member in their disgusting vile ways. They should want to help them change for the better - not accept the status quo. "Well, boys will be boys" only helps make things worse.

Johnny was bad, even as a child everybody could tell
Everyone said if you dont get straight
Youll surely go to hell

But johnny didnt care
He was an outlaw by the time that he was
Ten years old
He didnt wanna do what he was told
Just a prankster, juvenile gangster

His teachers didnt understand
They kicked him out of school
At a tender early age
Just because he didnt want to learn things
(had other interests)
He liked to burn things

The lady down the block
She had a radio that johnny wanted oh so bad
So he took it the first chance he had
Then he shot her in the leg
And this is what she said
Only a lad
You really cant blame him
Only a lad
Society made him
Only a lad
Hes our responsibility
Only a lad
He really couldnt help it
Only a lad
He didnt want to do it
Only a lad
Hes underprivileged and abused
Perhaps a little bit confused

His parents gave up they couldnt influence his attitude
Nobody could help
The little man had no gratitude

And when he stole the care
Nobody dreamed that he would
Try to take it so far
He didnt mean to hit the poor man
Who had to go and die
It made the judge cry

Only a lad
He really couldnt help it
Only a lad
He didnt want to do it
Only a lad
Hes underprivileged and abused
Perhaps a little bit confused

Its not his fault that he cant believe
Its not his fault that he cant behave
Society made him go astray
Perhaps if were nice hell go away
Perhaps hell go away
Hell go away

(repeat chorus)

Hey there johnny you really dont fool me
You get away with murder
And you think its funny
You dont give a damn if we live or if we die
Hey there johnny boy
I hope you fry! - The Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo

yep, we have no problem with people that actually do stuff. but thought crime is not a crime, everyone thinks load of crap all the time, it does not make them sex offenders.

just take the example i gave above, where because a man did not have a girlfriend, he had people outside his home, shouting and craping all over his life.

ask every male priest, he would have fantasies all his life, but the supression of these, it what he did to become a priest. everyone has a sexuality, but not everyone chooses to act on it.

yep, if someone does something wrong, it is a crime. how many here had under age sex, where legal age for consent is 16 is the place where they live. we have posts on here all the time about this.

Originally posted by Mr No One
I realize from the previous posts that this is going to be an unpopular reply, but get a grip people. Sex offenders who prey on children are the worst of the worst and deserve whatever they get. They're disgusting. Sex offenders in general are pretty low on the totem pole to begin with. Hell, even other criminals hate them (which is kinda weird 'cause a lot of inmates end up as sex offenders themselves, but that's a different story I guess). How can anyone have a problem with laws that target these people? I don't get it. A friend of mine was arrested for having sex chat with a girl that he KNEW was underaged. I was disgusted. He said it was a mistake. He's gone to counseling and is getting help for his problem. Does that make him a good person again? NO! What he did was wrong. He needs to be reminded of that. And he agrees. IMO laws dealing with these people are too lenient in most cases. There was a serial rapist who requested castration at the hands of the state to help him stop being the way he was. He knew he was hormonally imbalanced and wanted help. He didn't get it. Public out cry over how wrong castrating him would be prevented it. That's insanity. The man ended up taking his own life in prison because he knew he would never get better. Good for him, that's what I say.

As far as I am concerned the families of these people should be just as disgusted with the perpatrators as anyone else.

And I don't buy into that whole "most of them didn't do anything wrong" crap. If every criminal in jail that said they were innocent were released tomorrow, the jails would be empty for about 24 hours - just long enough for them to get out, do it again and get arrested once more.

I agree. I think family of sex offenders would be glad for these laws.

What I would like to know is... what is the government putting in the water to cause so many people to become sex offenders? And if it's not something in the water... then what IS it? Anyone care to figure that out?

What I would like to know is... what is the government putting in the water to cause so many people to become sex offenders? And if it's not something in the water... then what IS it? Anyone care to figure that out?

It's our society and media. These "kids" are taught to dress and act like that of adults, therefore causing the rise. Sex sells in our society creating these hormones getting out of control. People are not taught to repress their desires these days. Also in some cases you have the kids wanting to be older and lying about their age.

Originally posted by dirty_underground

What I would like to know is... what is the government putting in the water to cause so many people to become sex offenders? And if it's not something in the water... then what IS it? Anyone care to figure that out?

It's our society and media. These "kids" are taught to dress and act like that of adults, therefore causing the rise. Sex sells in our society creating these hormones getting out of control. People are not taught to repress their desires these days. Also in some cases you have the kids wanting to be older and lying about their age.

yep people should be taught more to suppress, there sexual feelings and emotions, but todays influx, of so much to do with sexual advertising, tv etc, increases the hormones that some may not be able to control.

Originally posted by annestacey
And if it's not something in the water... then what IS it? Anyone care to figure that out?

In one word: Christianity.

In a few more: It is censorship and the worship of the original sin.

Denying people with natural sexual desires access to sexual materials and masturbation and forcing them to go out in the streets as ticking timebombs instead of saying to them it is alright to masturbate and sending them a few links.

Originally posted by Truth4hire
In one word: Christianity.

In a few more: It is censorship and the worship of the original sin.

Denying people with natural sexual desires access to sexual materials and masturbation and forcing them to go out in the streets as ticking timebombs instead of saying to them it is alright to masturbate and sending them a few links.

Its really not that simple. Now don't get me wrong I believe organized religion is the root cause of much of man's suffering, but to say jerking off solves the problem of sex offenders is naive to say the least.

There are physiological and physchological aspects that need to be considered here. As stated previously. You can't just say "Here's some porn, go twist one off and you'll be a good person again." It just doesn't work like that. Sure that would help some people. When you run into situations where young children molest other young children because they have no other outlet nor any real education.

But like someone else said earlier, there are hormonal urges that need to be supressed. People need to be taught to control themselves. The ones that CAN'T need to be treated. The ones who WON'T need to be punished.

Like was said before, priests that choose a life of celabacy still have urges, thoughts and desires - they just supress them. And, not all of them become child molesting scum. Unfortunately too many of the ones that don't cover up for the ones that do.

I don't know about everyone else, but I think that the sex offender is the probably the one devastating his/her family rather than the laws. I don't think a convicted sex offender should even have custody of children, and I think they probably aren't.

And as far as innocent but guilty, it's not just sex offenders. Not by a long shot. I'd rather give my pity to the theif's and thug's of the world long before I have sympathy for a child molestor of any sort.

[edit on 3-2-2007 by zooeyglass14]

Originally posted by Mr No One
But like someone else said earlier, there are hormonal urges that need to be supressed. People need to be taught to control themselves.

Hrm. Two different things. Control comes when urges are not suppressed. Forbidden fruits taste the sweetest for sure. Take away the educational little nay-shaking finger, educate and pass over responsibility to each individual. Guess what happens? The youth (discussed above) will self manage their urges and even learn what control is all by themselves.

If you on the other hand, forbid, demonize and restrict, unwanted pregnacies, rape in various degrees, and even homicide happens.

In Spain, where I live, there is not a giggling teen who does not know where Abraham gets the musterd. Could it be the explicit late night programming on the local channels I wonder... Safe sex (to mention one thing) is understood and practiced without question. Homosexuality is understood and openly accepted. Masturbation is not a taboo. The paradox here is ofcourse... Spain is a highly religious country... And yet quite progressive. So, it IS possible. Why is it not possible in the U.S. I wonder... And on the subject of the U.S.

Does anything strike you as odd in the following table of legal ages of consent and same sex intercourse?

USA by State:
Female/Male Male/Male Female/Female
Alabama 16 Law invalidated Law invalidated
Alaska 16 16 16
Arizona 18 Law repealed law repealed
Arkansas 16 Law invalidated Law invalidated
California 18 18 18
Colorado 17 17 17
Connecticut 16 16 16
District of C. 16 Law repealed Law repealed
Delaware 16 (f)18 (m) Law repealed Law repealed
Florida 18 Law invalidated Law invalidated
Georgia 16 16 16
Hawaii 16 Law invalidated Law invalidated
Idaho 16 (f) 18 (m) Law invalidated Law invalidated
Illinois 17 17 17
Indiana 16 16 16
Iowa 14(f) 16(m) Law repealed Law repealed
Kansas 16 Law invalidated Law invalidated
Kentucky 16 Law repealed Law repealed
Louisiana 17 Law invalidated Law invalidated
Maine 16 16 16
Maryland 16 no current law no current law
Massachusetts 16 (f) 18 (m) Law invalidated Law invalidated
Michigan 16 Law invalidated Law invalidated
Minnesota 16 Law invalidated Law invalidated
Mississippi 16 Law invalidated Law invalidated
Missouri 17 Law invalidated Law invalidated
Montana 16 (f) 18 (m) 18 18
Nebraska 17 Law invalidated Law invalidated
Nevada 16 18 18
New Hampshire 16 18 18
New Jersey 16 16 16
New Mexico 17 16 16
New York 17 17 17
North Carolina 16 Law invalidated Law invalidated
North Dakota 18 18 18
Ohio 16 Law invalidated Law invalidated
Oklahoma 16 Law invalidated Law invalidated
Oregon 18 18 18
Pennsylvania 16 16 16
Rhode Island 16 Law invalidated Law invalidated
South Carolina 14 (f) 16 (m) Law invalidated Law invalidated
South Dakota 16 Law invalidated Law invalidated
Tennessee 18 Law invalidated Law invalidated
Texas 17 Law invalidated Law invalidated
Utah 16 - f 18 (m) Law invalidated Law invalidated
Vermont 16 Law repealed Law repealed
Virginia 18 Law repealed Law repealed
Washington 16 16 16
West Virginia 16 18 18
Wisconsin 18 18 18
Wyoming 16 (f) 18 (m) Law repealed Law repealed

US Military 16 don't ask, don't tell don't ask, don't tell
USA Citizen Outside the USA 18 no current law no current law

Source

But, there is a very simple way to prove the control argument, find the most inhibiting or strict country and compare it to the least inhibiting country on the level of sex offences, unwanted pregnacies, rape, sexual assault and (sex related) homicides. Throw in serial killings while we´re at it. I´m quite sure a study must have been done somewhere, sometime.

I´m just too lazy to look right now. Ah well. We may never know...

It sounds like you guys are defending child predators just a little bit too much. Here is a crazy idea, if you are an adult and you don't want GPS tracking, blood alcohol testers in cars, signs and labels on cars and license plates, signs in front lawns, personal finance status on public internet registration sites, "chipping", etc. THEN DON"T HAVE SEX WITH A LITTLE KID. The laws are not hurting the families of sex predators - It is the actions of these dirt bags that hurts themself and loved ones. I really don't want to hear how hard we are making the life of someone who just raped a kid. Cry me a river. Reap what you sow. Boo freakin hoo. blah blah blah.