The Mysterious Shadow People: What Are They?

Fatfurrytexan,

Interesting you mentioned a request draws these entities in. Before I saw this thing I was meditating for about 45 minutes in the back yard. At the time I was trying a version of sitting meditation. After i had finished I hung out in the back yard for a few minutes just observing everything around me. sorta like any body does when finishing a good meditation session. Eventually a few minutes later I felt compelled to look at the sky and that when the previously mentioned story in my past post started.

I was too late to edit my previous message, so here is the rest of the outdoor protection :
Say a prayer for protection against all that wish you harm ( after doing this you will notice that they will follow you, but do not approach within 2 meters of you ).

Namasté

reply to post by AnalyticalDreamer



First, you would have to identify what you call 'the paranormal". For the sake of expediency and clarity, lets just narrow it to "events that seem to involve otherworldly or psychic phenomenon."

Now, having defined what we are looking for, lets address your incorrect claim of "0 proof". Our own CIA performed experiements surrounding psychic events under the highly esteemed (and highly connected) Dr. Hal Puthoff at the highly esteemed Stanford Research Institute. It is known as "The Magnetometer Psychokinesis Experiment" using a quark detector adjacent to SRI:

en.wikipedia.org...

When Ingo Swann arrived at SRI Harold Puthoff decided he would first be tested for psychokinesis, PK. On June 6, 1972, the two men paid a visit to Dr. Arthur Heberd and his quark detector, a magnetometer, at the Varian Physics Building. The well-shielded magnetometer had a small magnetic probe in a vault five feet beneath the floor. The oscillation had been running silently, for about an hour tracing out a stable pattern on the chart recorder. Putoff asked Swann if he could affect the magetometer’s magnetic field. Swann says he focused his attention on the interior of the magnetometer and was getting nothing.[5][19]

Then there are different versions of the following events. Puthoff states that after about a five-second delay,[5] Heberd says it was a ten to fifteen minute delay, the frequency of the oscillation doubled for about 30 seconds. Heberd continues, when the curve burped, Swann asked, "Is that what I am supposed to do?"[20] Swann said he responded,"Is that an effect?"[19] Then according to Heberd, Swann crossed the room taking his attention away from the chart recorder.[20] Swann says he took his mind off the machine and was sketching.[19] Others watched the recorder to see if the irregularity would be repeated. It was. Puthoff asked Swann, "Did you do that too?"[20] Here Swann says he again responded, "Is that an effect?"[19] According to Puthoff Swann said he was then tired and couldn’t “hold it any longer” and let go. The chart recorder pattern returned to normal

The Hal Puthoff paper can be found...i am just in a hurry to play COD MW2 with my son and don't want to find it.

There is proof, you just have to dig for it. TPTB (in this case, the CIA) don't really want to develop psi ability, as it would mean that there would be no secrets for some people. And that is the ultimate threat to the power structure.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


I did some research on this guy read some papers and some internet blogs. I was almost ready to perhaps admit there might be something in it, as ludacris as it sounds.

I did some digging on this guy (not really digging but I just checked his wiki page out... Did this after the research and it explains a lot). Turns out he was a member of the biggest fraudulent cult, joke of a religion there is. Scientology.

Scientology Puthoff got involved with the Church of Scientology in the late 1960s and reached the top OT VII level by 1971. Puthoff wrote up his "wins" for a Scientology publication, claiming to have achieved "remote viewing" abilities.[4] In 1974, Puthoff also wrote a piece for Scientology's Celebrity magazine, stating that Scientology had given him "a feeling of absolute fearlessness".[5] Puthoff severed all connection with Scientology in the late '70's.

This is quoted directly off en.wikipedia.org...

His research still doesn't prove anything anyway. If anything it proves that PSI and all this rubbish doesn't exist.

Notice the CIA no longer cares or funds research like this, because they know its a load of bull.

This guy Putoff is a fraud and a liar who exaggerates claims of PSI to make a name for himself. If he wasn't then his work would still be a secret and the CIA would still be employing him or carrying on his work.




EDIT: If this was true then why isn't everybody out there bending spoons (Uri Geller)? Why doesn't this get taught in schools, or become a competitive sport? Why aren't there psychic vs psychic events or radical advances in the proof of the existence of PSI or ESP whatever you want to call it since the 70s. As time draws on and Puthoff's research gets left in the dark ages it's people like you who cling to it hoping one day they can prove something that isn't real, it doesn't exist.

Notice it's all psuadoscience and paranormal. If it was real then it would stop being a mysterious subject only discussed by a true minority of people and become mainstream and be accepted as fact in life and backed by science. But it is not.

If it's real, why aren't there people running around with these PSI and ESP abilities that can prove to the world without a shadow of a doubt that its legit. Nobody can, it can't be proved because it's lies, exaggerations and flukes.

You've still to prove me wrong.



How do we even know what Puthoff even measured was anything to do with any potential psychic abilities?

We can't just assume it's electro-magnetic or can even be measured (if it even exists). So how would some seemingly controlled (more like random...) experiments explain anything?

You can't just create theories based on lies and more theories and present them as fact. Stop trying to back up your claims of psychic abilities with out dated, outright ridiculas experiments with no actual scientific precedence behind any of it.

I studied Forensic Science at university and this psuadoscience is laughed at right out of the door. There is no proof, no evidence only things we can't put a definitive explanation too. Doesn't mean to say it's paranormal or psychic lol.



More to the point, what does some bloke who claims to be a scientist doing PSI experiments in the 70s even have to do with 'Shadow People'?

reply to post by AnalyticalDreamer




Wait, you question how legitimate Hal Puthoff is? Really?

If that is the case, perhaps there is no point in me trying to discuss this with you. Nor any point in you even paying attention to this subject. It is apparent that you either absolutely cannot give an inch, or your are purposefully obtuse.

Seriously. Hal Puthoff still, to this day, is doing highly secure work for the US Government. He and Dr. Robert Baker (the worlds "God" on gravity research and dean of science at UCal Berkely i believe) are currently working in China developing a "High Frequency Gravitational Wave Generator".

Are you going to question how legit Dr. Baker is, too?

reply to post by AnalyticalDreamer


Since you edited the hell out of your post while i was reading/posting a reply, I have to make an entirely new post to address your edits.

You claimed there was no proof of the paranormal. I provided Hal Puthoff's SRI work. I realize that it isn't proof. there is no such thing as proof. But it is an outstanding series of evidence supporting the validity.

On this site the motto is "Deny Ignorance". At "university" you learned the opposite, by allowing laughing to happen in place of genuine study and observational research. Your professors inability to create a set of controls to measure such phenomenon is more a damnation of their ability, not the existence of psi.

The challenge is to describe it. If you detest Scientology, they take the challenge of removing ALL religion from our view by explaining spiritual and psi events in scientific terms. Anything less is embracing ignorance.

Originally posted by AnalyticalDreamer


So bigfatfurrytexan go and play your 'computer games' like a good little boy living in fantasy lala land and leave the big grown up talk to us men who live in reality. This is not a personal attack, just fact.

edit on 20-8-2011 by AnalyticalDreamer because: Boo hoo

Wow...edit again while i was replying?

To add this? And you then have the audacity to claim "not a personal attack, just fact"?

You're an idiot. Not a personal attack, just fact. There is no reason to continue this conversation.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by AnalyticalDreamer

 

Wait, you question how legitimate Hal Puthoff is? Really?

If that is the case, perhaps there is no point in me trying to discuss this with you. Nor any point in you even paying attention to this subject. It is apparent that you either absolutely cannot give an inch, or your are purposefully obtuse.

Seriously. Hal Puthoff still, to this day, is doing highly secure work for the US Government. He and Dr. Robert Baker (the worlds "God" on gravity research and dean of science at UCal Berkely i believe) are currently working in China developing a "High Frequency Gravitational Wave Generator".

Are you going to question how legit Dr. Baker is, too?

Since we will never agree lets just agree to disagree right. I have actual scientific qualifications which I studied for at university and live in reality with experience in the biological and physical world of scientists. These people you talk about are just laughing stocks in the real scientific community.

You can keep your psuado-scientific nonsense and choose to 'believe' in it as you wish. Until anything of this psychic nature is mainstream and taught in schools, can be measured then it is still unproven and hogwash.

I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm saying it's unlikely. The scientists you talk about might well be on the verge of breakthroughs of something or other we don't know. I'm not going to discount the potential of anything paranormal. I just go with what I see, I need to see, touch, smell, hear the evidence aka the meat and potatoes.

I'm all up to theorizing potential inevitabilities that could perhaps be ascertained through study and demonstrations administered by professionally qualified (like real qualifications) in plausible, scientifically legit, recorded, sanctioned and documented conditions.

reply to post by AnalyticalDreamer


if you are to ignore the credentials you think are so important, then you will never realize how Baker and Puthoff are, in essense, TPTB. Baker even works as a "headhunter" for the US Army Research Laboratory (see my thread on Ning Li for more info).

reply to post by Levita
I was tormented by these "shadow men" for many years as a child. When I was a teenager I finally got some testosterone I guess and one night decided to fight back. I ended up with a busted lip and a dislocated shoulder but I fought like hell. After that night I haven't seen them again. Sounds crazy I know, but true. They are NOT nice.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


I've bookmarked it, can't read it until I get back from camping in a week or so, literally have to grab my pack and go as I'm writing this. It is very interesting but I stand by my earlier comments, it would take a lot to convince me anything paranormal is happening (psychic).

As I say, it's all still interesting too me and I'll never discount the possibility so I'll give it a thorough read.

We should really stick to the topic of shadow people however and that to me is a completely different ball game to psychic abilities, unless you go with the theory as in some poltergeist cases that the phenomena is self invoked as was suspected in the Enfield case.

Anything's possible but until I get proof that I can touch, smell, look at and examine and listen too then it's just on par with fiction and vivid imagination with wild theories.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Originally posted by AnalyticalDreamer


So bigfatfurrytexan go and play your 'computer games' like a good little boy living in fantasy lala land and leave the big grown up talk to us men who live in reality. This is not a personal attack, just fact.

edit on 20-8-2011 by AnalyticalDreamer because: Boo hoo

Wow...edit again while i was replying?

To add this? And you then have the audacity to claim "not a personal attack, just fact"?

You're an idiot. Not a personal attack, just fact. There is no reason to continue this conversation.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by AnalyticalDreamer

 

Since you edited the hell out of your post while i was reading/posting a reply, I have to make an entirely new post to address your edits.

You claimed there was no proof of the paranormal. I provided Hal Puthoff's SRI work. I realize that it isn't proof. there is no such thing as proof. But it is an outstanding series of evidence supporting the validity.

On this site the motto is "Deny Ignorance". At "university" you learned the opposite, by allowing laughing to happen in place of genuine study and observational research. Your professors inability to create a set of controls to measure such phenomenon is more a damnation of their ability, not the existence of psi.

The challenge is to describe it. If you detest Scientology, they take the challenge of removing ALL religion from our view by explaining spiritual and psi events in scientific terms. Anything less is embracing ignorance.

Whoa whoa whoa....!

Are you telling me that you're a Scientologist? Really? You have got to be shi##ing me! o_o! /mindblown

And here all this time I actually held you in some fraction of high esteem! sigh.

You do realize that Scientology is a fictitious cult / scam of a religion, right? Do you even know who L. Ron Hubbard is and what he did before he founded Scientology?

Do you really believe that a Sci-Fi writer who moved his cult out to sea to avoid paying taxes, then later legally adopted "religious" status in order to claim his "Church of Scientology" should be exempt from taxes altogether?

I'm truly saddened that ATS has been infiltrated by the gullible, uneducated and naive, to such an unprecedented level.

I'm really disappointed bigfatfurrytexan. I truly am.

No matter what excuse you want to make for Scientology or how big of an apologist you want to look like now, Scientology was and shall remain a complete scam, so pervasive in its intent and destructive in its methods.

Are you to now label me a "Suppressive Person"? Am I now "Free Game"?

I could list hundreds of sites that will back up the reality of how rotten Scientology is, but I'll instead leave one for you, since you appear to be incapable of researching Scientology yourself.

How very sad for you indeed.

www.xenu.net...

Have a look.

(to remain on topic)

I had a "Shadow Person" experience to relate, but I am completely and utterly blown away by bigfatfurrytexan's apparent and disconcerting infatuation for the depravity that is Scientology. :/

reply to post by yourignoranceisbliss


um, no....i'm not a Scientologist. But I am pragmatic.

Listen, when i was in 8th grade they were showing all those Dianetics books on TV. I was reading a lot of fiction back then, and asked someone to buy it for me (not knowing what it really was). I got my wish, read it, and thought "Hm....interesting science fiction".

Then, several years later I read a few L Ron Hubbard novels (he wrote tons). Not a bad scifi writer, but still not the best. Anyway, when I found out what Dianetics was all about, i thought it totally ludicrous and carried a resentment for Hubbards sham of a religion. I did this as i began to realize that all religions were a sham. Christianity is no less fictitious sounding than Scientology. I went through each religious system, one by one, discarding them as useless after coming to understand them better. Until i got to Buddhism, that is (although i am not Buddhist, that school of thought is very interesting...but that is another post for another day).

But then i realized something after my dad died. Watching my mother, who had strong Christian beliefs, cope with the loss of her lifes love gave me an insight. I realized that it doesn't matter if religion is believable, or true. What matters is how it effects its adherents. Once i realized this i could cast off any notion of disdain for a religion just because it seems silly to me. I mean, who am I to take spiritual comfort away from someone who is not desiring to be insightful enough to see the sham for what it is? What kind of self important ego must I possess to hold a religious belief in disdain, as well as its adherents?

Most Scientologists i have met seem to be fairly normal, well adjusted people (if you don't get them talking about aliens and crap). Its a system that works for them. This is a cold, hard world. And I wish them the best in finding a way to cope with it.

reply to post by AnalyticalDreamer


You are not really the only university graduate here. Stop saying that; it's pathetic. It makes you sound very insecure and defensive about your claims. Also, the correct spelling of "ludacris" is "ludicrous." So much for your university education.

Regarding the paranormal versus the scientific community and the so-called lack of official evidence, I don't think you should even be bothering with this forum if your only version of reality is that defined by the scientific community. Do you really believe our current level of scientific knowledge is that high that it could answer for all phenomena in this world?

Anyway, I don't think anything anyone can say can open your closed mind, so I'm not going to try very hard. I don't think you will find the type of proof you are after. Anyway, with regard to your highly esteemed scientific community, it has, time and again, attempted to study "paranormal" phenomena but due to limitations in knowledge, method and tools, most of these studies have failed to produce proof substantial enough for hard-core sceptics.

Let me put this to you though. You say you don't believe in anything 100% but it seems to me you do. You believe the version of reality fed to you by your scientists 100%, do you not? So much so, in fact, that you refuse to acknowledge anything that opposes it. That is just another form of fanaticism. I don't see why that gives you the high ground to judge everyone here who has experienced the paranormal as (by your implication) not smart enough to distinguish shadows cast by cars or windows with something truly unnatural.

Just because you have not seen something, doesn't mean it does not exist. Have you seen, felt, touched or heard the electromagnetic waves all around us? No, but we have managed to arrive at a level of technology that allows us to detect them and even use them and channel them into useful devices such as a television. Is it that difficult to imagine that there are other types of energies or waves that are currently beyond the reach of our scientific knowledge and tools?

It is a pity that there are people like you who have not experienced a brush with the edge of our everyday reality, and who therefore operate within limited parameters. I understand that it is difficult to believe what you have not experienced for yourself. This is why I consider myself fortunate that I have seen and experienced many things that have convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is something else there, beyond the reality we have been taught to believe in. I may not know "100%" what the nature of these phenomena is, but I know for a certainty that they exist.

Do not hate us just because we have experienced and seen something you have not. I hope for your sake you experience it too, as soon as possible.

reply to post by AnalyticalDreamer


It is also very interesting that you mentioned quantum physics, for here, I believe, is the BEGINNING of the proof you are looking for. Our quantum physicists do not have the final, absolute explanation or answer, but they are beginning to tread on the right path towards a better understanding of our reality. Their encounter with quantum strangeness is their own brush with the edge of reality.

It is funny that you say you do not even believe in quantum physics. Have you studied it extensively? Or is your knowledge of it limited to an article or book linking quantum reality with the paranormal, and that is why you are balking? It is very clear that you still want to cling to Isaac Newton's outdated version of reality and this is why you also want to reject quantum physics. I do not think you will lack for qualifications when it comes to quantum physicists. I could give you a long list of brilliant minds, eminent scientists, and still you probably will not believe.

You see, the problem is with your having been sold totally to one specific version of reality. Somebody has sold something to you without you being aware of it, and you bought it, lock, stock and barrel. You are willing to defend it without any in-depth knowledge of the situation, by your own admission. I guess the same phenomenon happened back when everybody thought the earth was flat, and when Galileo proposed that the Earth revolves around the sun. I suppose many who, like you, considered themselves highly educated individuals pooh-poohed these notions as well, simply because they went against the grain of their established world view.

Anyway, like I said (and I am not a "nutty new ager" who equates quantum physics and the "paranormal" in loose and ill-fitting ways), quantum strangeness is established science's first brush with the strings behind the stage, but nobody has the type of answers you are looking for, yet. It is here, though, that the right kinds of questions are starting to be asked and the right tools used to probe. Here at last is some proof that reality is not what it seems. You cannot tell me that this is fringe science. If you cannot even open your mind to quantum physics, then you are indeed lost. I hope your fanatic skepticism serves you well.

These shadow people have always fascinated me as I see them on a regular basis. I have never felt fear because of them, just curiosity as to what they are. I have never seen one taller then about 4 feet. No face, eyes, etc. They almost look like a children's drawing, only arms, legs, head and body. No prominent fingers, toes, feet. I most often seem them in groups. I cannot remember the first time I ever saw one, as it seems like I have always had them in my life.

looks like a dementor ressuring to know that one of those could be watching over me right now

I have heard small things about shadow people and hada pretty awful experience myself.. However during the moments that i've "seen" aparitions.. it was more of a "color change" or "unique shaped shadow". It wasn't all smokey like this photo. I must be dealing with something different.

Okay, didn't have time to read the entire thread, though I'll keep going back and reading more. I feel compelled to add some of my own thoughts and experiences about the Shadow People.

First off, I guess I should give a little background on myself. I've been a 'sensitive' pretty much since I was born. I will see and sense things, though my senses have become rather clouded the last few years, it's become harder to 'feel' and 'see' what's 'around' me. This may have something to do with my poor health, the shadow people, or both.

So, roughly about twelve years ago is when I first started noticing the Shadow People. I believe that there are at least a few different kinds, and that they come from a dimension or plane that intersects with our own, occupying the same general 'space' as ghosts (and possibly other paranormal beings)-- but they're not ghosts. They're not even remotely human feeling. They were never humans, they will never be humans, but they feed off of us.

At first, they were just short, maybe 2.5'-3', creepy little inky blobs, with glowing eyes, large heads, and octopus-ish bodies (multiple tentacles). My impression was that they were Scout/'Scientists', investigating us, if we would notice them, what we would do, and how we would react to having certain things done to us. Several of my friends who are also sensitive, physically recoiled when I did a sketch of the things and showed it to them, agreeing that they'd been seeing the same things, without verbal prompting from me.

After a while, the Scouts just seemed to leave, and we all breathed a sigh of relief and hoped it was over. No such luck.

A couple years after the Scouts, came the Guards. These ones were even creepier. They were featureless creatures vaguely human in shape and height (though tending towards the larger side). They would just STAND around... watching, I guess? Breathing (Don't ask me how they did this without noses or mouths, but I could feel it, and it creeped the hell our of me). I would describe these as like zombies, very rudimentary minds. Their favourite tactic seemed to be to just stand behind you. Within about 1-3', or at least that's what it felt like. If you moved, they moved with you. Always behind you. Almost permanent 'creepy thing standing behind you and watching' feeling. Ugh. If you deliberately struck out at them in any way, they'd violently yet mindlessly LASH out against you, and let me tell you, it isn't pleasant. Like they were harming and defiling your energies, your soul. My friends also verified the same, without prompting, just like the first time. Unfortunately, I've since fallen out of touch with these friends.

The Guards still haven't really left, they're still around, though in fewer numbers. Next, came the Commanders. You can feel the malicious intelligence from them, they're far more defined, and come in a variety of sizes, from 'Adult' human to 'Baby'. I'll most often get the baby-sized ones looking in through my windows. I think that these are the ones that are messing me up the worst, since my senses just seemed to start to dull out about the time they showed up, my health also took a turn for the worse. These are, I think, the main 'race' of the shadow people, and the most intelligent. They manipulate the other types.

I almost certain there are more types, however I'm pretty unfamiliar with them. They seem to be drawn more to those of us with 'second sight', or '6th sense', whatever you want to call it. We pose a bigger threat, and yield more energy. Like a bright light bulb in a dim room, we attract attention.

Hopefully some of you have similar feelings, and I didn't just come off sounding like a nutcase

Sorry for the long post.

I see a shadow person in a reoccurring dream I have. For a long time I did not understand the dream. I began having the dream after some of my perspectives about myself started to change. Eventually I learned the dark figure in darkness that I saw in the dream was a shadow person. I really got into trying to understand the shadow more after I saw it while I was awake, this has only happened to me one time. The picture in the OP looks nothing like it, the shadow I saw seemed more solid-like.
I have not yet seen a picture of it, other than the one I drew.
The shadow person does not frighten me. I am comfortable with it. However, some of the surroundings have been quite scary. In the recurring dream I saw the shadow person in a prison surrounded by light. I am in the light on the outside of the prison looking inside the cell of complete darkness. This made me feel sad.
The whole reoccurring dream was the same up until the end, which was different the last time I had it. Usually when the dream ends the focus is on the shadow in the darkness, this time the focus was on a lock unlocking. Immediately I was awake and feeling irritated. It was dark in my room, no light. I looked towards the end of where my bed is and I could see the shadow, it was much darker than the surrounding darkness. I awoke on my side, sat up in bed, looking directly at it, spoke to the shadow (it did not speak, move or do anything at all), and laid back down on my other side. Then I had a short conversation with my boyfriend, he asked me who I was talking to. Finally I went back to sleep.
Some people have suggested to me that I had a hallucination during sleep paralysis. I believe this may be probable. Although I have no proof of either sleep paralysis or "something" else.
I also believe there is a deeper meaning to the experience. I am sure this is a side effect of something much deeper and hidden that I am discovering with time. I think it has, in part, to do with perspective, perception, and change.
I have had other dreams since that experience, but that dream has not yet occurred again. I feel that specifically what I said that night to the shadow in my room has changed how I see the shadow in my dreams. Although it has done neither leave me alone or go away. Maybe because I felt wrong for being irritated at it and say what I said. I believe it has appeared in different dreams as certain predator animals that are of interest to me, multiple feathered alligator-like reptiles and a shark. Maybe other things, but I do not have many dreams and rarely are they the same. Plus, I sometimes have the feeling I have forgotten something about the dream.
I do not believe what I saw was a ghost in the sense of a spirit of a dead person, maybe more like a faint image resembling something that I do not understand, if I even can understand it.
The shadow I saw did not have glowing eyes or any eyes at all, it was featureless.

The dream about the shark I believe was a demonstration for me by the shadow of some kind. From what I have read since the dream is that the shark is a creature that can be associated with the shadow, and also one of my favorite animals to learn about. I had this dream 9/14/11. The dream had a shark swimming inside a building, I was standing on stairs viewing the shark swimming in a dark liquid that had money and clothing floating around. Shortly after I woke up I went to talk to my mother about it, we like to do that. I told her that I believe something will happen, a predatory type of situation involving money and banks. The very next day she got a call from her bank. They said that someone had spent about $500 at a clothing store in California and then at a bar in Mexico and they were verifying the transactions because it is not in her normal habits. Now there is an investigation into who the thief is. Anyway, I thought that was pretty amazing and unbelievable.
Whoa, this is a long post, but the unknown is my favorite subject.