*HOAX* My UFO footage will be on FOX news! *HOAX*

Originally posted by Frozenthought
Here ya go..
www.youtube.com...

[edit on 8-2-2007 by Frozenthought]

This is my first post here in this thread, but after watching that video, I have to say your looking at typical aircraft with 2 landing or anti-collision lights mounted on or underneath each wing.

I'm not saying this to debunk the video, but I work on a Naval Air Base in San Diego (the airbase is right across from our International Airport) and I see this type of thing ALL THE TIME. The approach for San Diego International is directly next to my house even. I see this exact thing everynight when I go smoke on my patio.

I don't know about the other videos frozenthought posted, but the one I quoted above, IMO is nothing more then typical aircraft on a flightpath.
The NVG effect is cool, but in reality, its not real NVG. It's an IR filter that will intentionaly amplify ambient light into the viewable picture to make it brighter. Hence the concept of Night vision. Thats why the two lights (which are visible on the normal video) turn into one solid light when the camera operator switches to night shot.

Frozenthought,

While I admire your efforts I am actually fairly alarmed at how quickly this footage is getting promoted with little to no actual debate.

I think this is a clear example of everything that is wrong with the UFOlogy community.

It's all flash over substance - despite the best intentions.

Originally posted by TruthMagnet
Frozenthought,

While I admire your efforts I am actually fairly alarmed at how quickly this footage is getting promoted with little to no actual debate.

I think this is a clear example of everything that is wrong with the UFOlogy community.

It's all flash over substance - despite the best intentions.

I agree that this video is far, far overpromoted, and that sort of thing only contributes to the giggle factor.

However, I think it's encountered quite a lot of healthy skepticism here at ATS.

[edit on 12-2-2007 by disownedsky]

there are so many missing flights and aircraft over the Lakes that it is dubbed the great lakes triangle....
there is a case of a whole airliner gone missing, and never a trace found...
Boats too have dissapeared without trace in minutes...of having last been sighted by others......great work keep it up!

why do you guys believe the video is overpromoted? did you see the right thing moving toward the main light source at an incredible speed at 1:43 of the youtube footage????

to whoever posted the video, id suggest that you film the exact same place during daytime, because on youtube theyre talking about police cars etc. so if you could just show that it must have been talking place over water???

Originally posted by five55
why do you guys believe the video is overpromoted? did you see the right thing moving toward the main light source at an incredible speed at 1:43 of the youtube footage????

to whoever posted the video, id suggest that you film the exact same place during daytime, because on youtube theyre talking about police cars etc. so if you could just show that it must have been talking place over water???

When David Sereda was in town to do some filming for his new movie, I took him down to the lake in the daytime where this was filmed and also to some other spots along the lake where I have filmed as well, everybody will be able to see this is really Lake Erie and these are no land masses or bridges, these are not police cars or car headlights or boats and that is clear in the daytime footage.

WoW! I suppose it must be pretty fun to work on that film, I hope to see you on TV, when will it be aired?

Originally posted by bonthan
WoW! I suppose it must be pretty fun to work on that film, I hope to see you on TV, when will it be aired?

It has been a ball, first off, before I ever Met David, I have aleady been filming UFO's over Lake Erie for a couple of years, I had begun to read and watch anything I could find on the subject, I became a fan of David's work above all others so to now actually be friends with him, & Be involved in this new movie just blows my mind, for instance I just went to LA recently, Actually for music related business (I'm a musician), I stayed with David at his house in LA, I got to se a lot of the movie and we went out to death Valley and filmed some scenes out there, it was so much fun and those memories I will take to the other side with me.

David is one of the most intelligent enlightened people I have ever come across so to get to pick his brain and just hang out as well, I feel honored and privileged to know David as my friend now.

As far as the movie, We end production the end of March with a release date of April 25th

It will be available in DVD format at that time, as far as TV, There has been some interest from some cable channels, we'll have to wait and see.

This is my first post to ATS. I have been a lurker for a few years. I am grateful for this site. The people here just amaze me. The knowledge of the members is beyond words. Thank you ATS for the wonderful service you provide.

I felt a need to reply to Frozenthoughts video. I have looked at the video many, many times, and will probably view it many more.

I at one time came to the conclusion that the objects were planes lining up for landing. They really do look that way.

I just kept watching and listening, and I do believe they are not planes. I also noticed at 1:43, the movement of the right object suddenly moving to the left object. I do not think planes normally do this.

I also noticed when the camera was switched to night mode I could see a reflection of light on the water below the left object.

Some people have asked why the video just ends. I guess when there is nothing to video, why keep the camera going. The right object, which was the last one being filmed just faded away. I do not think planes do that either.

I did not join ATS to try and convince anyone of anything. I just felt Frozenthought has been beaten up here by some members, and I feel like he needs to hear some encouragement.

I believe you Frozenthought, not that my opionion means anything. I just wanted to say Thank You for sharing your experience with us, and for not letting all the nay-sayers and so called experts get you down.

Again I would like to thank ATS.

Originally posted by zeta55
I believe you Frozenthought, not that my opionion means anything. I just wanted to say Thank You for sharing your experience with us, and for not letting all the nay-sayers and so called experts get you down.

Again I would like to thank ATS.

Thank You so much!

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I live very close too Lake Erie near Gibraltar, Michigian. We have a state park that has a delta of land that allows an amazing view of the Lake Erie. Ive grown up here as well as in the Michigan UP and you do see a lot of UFO activity be it unexplained lights,shapes,sounds,happenings,etc..
I have seen strange lights at night going high to low over the Lake and at quite a distance and quite often and could be planes landing but sometimes you see multiple colors and that I have no explanation for. Once we were fishing in a 28 ft bow rider about 15-20 miles out from Newport,Mich. and we thought we seen a huge dark object moving in somewhat deep water not far from us and for awhile then no sign at all and was pretty creppy considering the size seemed very close to an small building.
And sometimes we have heard an ultra low type buzzing of humming when around parts of Erie.
When I stayed in the Michigan Up and around KI Sawyer AFB in the 70's and 80's I saw some even stranger and closer unexplained happenings. Military choppers and aircraft seemingly chasing lights or balls of light and then disappearing into the ground. Weird stuff and even though the AF bases in the Michigan North have been closed for sometime you still see signs of some Military activity(well armed and equipt private firms/private security).

Originally posted by five55
why do you guys believe the video is overpromoted? did you see the right thing moving toward the main light source at an incredible speed at 1:43 of the youtube footage????

The non-event at 1:43 happens immediately preceding switching to this ersatz "night vision" mode. Seems to me that the camera is just zooming out. Without some kind of reference marker in the frame, how do I tell?

I see no effort here to provide any control data - video of identified aircraft or other luminous objects to show that there really is something extraordinary about the "unidentified" objects in the frame.

So far the only argument put forth that these are not planes is the absence of audible jet noise, which is not at all compelling, if for no other reason that no data is provided that lets us calculate even a upper bound to how far away these lights are. I suspect that they are miles further away than the videographer perceives.

I propose a simple experiment: take the same equipment to the same spot at, and wait for an audible aircraft. Take video of this aircraft as it flies by at the same zoom ratio as the lights in the subject video.

Calibration on the moon, if visible, is also useful, since we know its angular diameter very accurately (it's about 8.7 milliradians). For example, the wingspan of an MD-80 is 32.9 meters, so lights on the wingtips that are 1 moon apart in the frame are as far as 3.7 km away.

Originally posted by VType
I live very close too Lake Erie near Gibraltar, Michigian. We have a state park that has a delta of land that allows an amazing view of the Lake Erie. Ive grown up here as well as in the Michigan UP and you do see a lot of UFO activity be it unexplained lights,shapes,sounds,happenings,etc..
I have seen strange lights at night going high to low over the Lake and at quite a distance and quite often and could be planes landing but sometimes you see multiple colors and that I have no explanation for. Once we were fishing in a 28 ft bow rider about 15-20 miles out from Newport,Mich. and we thought we seen a huge dark object moving in somewhat deep water not far from us and for awhile then no sign at all and was pretty creppy considering the size seemed very close to an small building.
And sometimes we have heard an ultra low type buzzing of humming when around parts of Erie.
When I stayed in the Michigan Up and around KI Sawyer AFB in the 70's and 80's I saw some even stranger and closer unexplained happenings. Military choppers and aircraft seemingly chasing lights or balls of light and then disappearing into the ground. Weird stuff and even though the AF bases in the Michigan North have been closed for sometime you still see signs of some Military activity(well armed and equipt private firms/private security).

Good to see other people are seeing this stuff over the lake, I have filmed those balls of light you speak of, I will have that footage up on youtube.

also check out WWW.Orbwatch.com they are filming the sane stuff over Lake Ontario

Frozenthought,

I read something yesterday that reminded me of your sightings. It's a testimony/story: Encounter of the Fourth Kind - A Native American UFO Experience by Medicine Grizzly Bear. In this narrative Medicine Grizzly Bear is describing his flight away from earth in a ship.

He mentions seeing the Great Lakes as a power spot. This surprised me - I've heard of the southwest desert (especially Sedona) and other places as being described as power spots, but I hadn't heard the Great Lakes included before...

Here's the excerpt:

...As we ascended higher into the cosmos I could see numerous geographical areas on our continent which had a similar blue-glow emanating from the land: Pennsylvania - Great Lakes, a very large glow emanated from the Four Corners area of Arizona-New Mexico, and still another was located somewhere above Vancouver, Canada. Since we were traveling so fast, I could barely get a glimpse of the other "blue glow sections" in central Mexico, and various parts of South America. The strongest one, however, seemed to radiate from off the eastern coastline somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean.

I gradually built up enough courage to ask the occupants of this craft what the blue glow sections indicated. They replied that such areas were "power centers" -- spiritual high energy fields that could be seen radiating from Earth to beings in outerspace...

Maybe I've been under a rock? Is the Great Lakes commonly known [to new-agers ] as being one of the earth's "power centers"?

Originally posted by disownedsky
I propose a simple experiment: take the same equipment to the same spot at, and wait for an audible aircraft. Take video of this aircraft as it flies by at the same zoom ratio as the lights in the subject video.

Great Idea. Doubt it will happen though. OP has demonstrated a pronounced lack of objectivity as well as diminishing credibility of observation and interpretation in this case.

He still thinks the lights were 50-100 feet above the water and he was standing right there! - lol

this case is getting comical at this point. if people need something to believe in, there are a lot more compelling cases to research.

+ A major reason people are chastising Frozenthought is that if these are indeed airliners, he would well know that and thus his credibility would be invalidated. He's backed himself into a corner here by refusing to acknowledge all possibilities.

The OP's lack of sincere investigative finesse compared to others in the forum is brightly apparent.

+ dont get me started on Fox News.


[edit on 2/13/2007 by lagos]

I highly suggest to all that question or are curious to what is captured on camera to take a look at this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There you will find quite a few arguments (and many pages) for and agaisnt the UFO claim being presented. IMO after reading the entire thread, for various reasons, I seriously start to doubt that those lights are indeed orb/UFOs , but rather just airplanes on approach to Cleveland Hopkins Airport. Check out the images and maps given by various members to see what I mean.

Originally posted by lagos
The OP's lack of sincere investigative finesse compared to others in the forum is brightly apparent.

+ dont get me started on Fox News.

investigative finesse? Who ever said I was a investigator? As for them being planes...No, I don't believe they are, it's not hard to figure out they are flying away from the airports mentioned which are 20 miles away (Burke) and 30 miles away (Hopkins) both in the opposite direction (West) these craft were heading to the right if you were standing looking towards the lake, the 1st object near the end vears towards the shoreline, still not towards the airport that I know of, perhaps it did keep going and turn towards the airport but I did not see or film that..

All I saw were flight plans and pictures of airports that these craft were no where near? I didn't see anything that said Hopkins is sending planes out over the lake 30 miles east in the area of Eastlake and very low to the water, I didn't see that. I didn't see where they are sending the planes ontop or very close to one another either, If craft #2 was landing at Hokins, why was it going in the opposite direction then heading back out over the lake?

I said I don't know what they are, I even said that in the actual footage, that is my extent of my investigative finesse, there you have it, but that doesn't seem to be good enough for some people here who have some wierd need to be always right or something, let me say it again, I don't know what they are, I don't think they are planes, I don't think they were a mirage, i Know they were not headlights on a hill you can't see, They were not Cop cars on a hill you can't see. They are not boats, every single one of those things have been thrown my way and when I don't agree with any of those conclusions, I am attacked saying I am lying, it is really a kinda strange look into peoples mentality and it is scary.



[edit on 13-2-2007 by Frozenthought]

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[edit on 13-2-2007 by sanctum]

I think the majority of the hostility arises from the idea that if in fact these are airliners you filmed, you would most likely have known that and thus be perpetrating a fraud.

Originally posted by Frozenthought
I am attacked saying I am lying, it is really a kinda strange look into peoples mentality and it is scary.


Again, I don't know what they were.
[edit on 13-2-2007 by Frozenthought]

it is scary how some people think bro. atleast some know what is really going on though. keep ur head up and to the skeptic's, you'll see it one day with your own eyes! trust me.

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Originally posted by lagos
I think the majority of the hostility arises from the idea that if in fact these are airliners you filmed, you would most likely have known that and thus be perpetrating a fraud.

i dont see any airliner making the moves the crafts in the video did. hovering in the same spot for instance is not something you see a airliner do everyday LOL