survival kit , BoB`s and security check points

hi - this week sees my annual inventory / maintainence / review of all my kit - basicaly checking its all there in the slot i think it is , clean [ its no good having a multi tool stashed in a puch or pocket - if it was put away filthy and wet - and the pivots have all now corroded solid ] operational , " in date " , and relevant to my needs - is there anything i no longer require acting as ballast , or anything missing that i now feel i cannot do without . etc etc

and i am amazed how many " prohibited / restricted " items i have

even the shears and scalpal blades in my first aid kit are now banned on many modes of transport .

and as for knives ROFLMAO

now in the new " safer " < sic > UK even a credit card multi tool can cause ruction at a security checkin

my question isnt about " after the event " security

but how members whos jobs / lifestyles demand frequent travel ensure that they have an intact BoB with them when the balloon goes up

ideas and thoughts ?

my only advice is to know where to get things in a hurry when out and about. Maybe locate a hardware store or a sporting goods store near your destination. Perhaps?

As part of my prepairdness plan I wont go anyware without a BOB. So flying is out so is train. Lucily I have no need to cross into Canada or Mexico. The only boarders I cross are State borders. As of yet they are still legal to cross wiuthout a search. Give bush another year or so and he will end that to in the name of Safety of course. Anybody see how his actions are mirrowing Hitlers?

I think If you have to travel Shadow watcher has it right, Plan ahead and know ware to get the supplies on the other side. Good luck with that friend.

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
now in the new " safer " < sic > UK even a credit card multi tool can cause ruction at a security checkin

I was stopped and searched under the S.U.S laws by a couple of bored bobbies a while ago and was hauled up just for having a mini swiss-army knife on my keychain...seems that even carrying a folded 1/2 inch blade is enough to cause trouble

As part of my BoB-kit gathering activities, I've realised that the one item neglected was detailed maps of the UK...I have managed to obtain a dozen or so of the O.S. Landranger series maps and am in the process of marking-up various locations that may come in useful should sit.x happen.
Now that Ape's brought the matter to attention, I'm not so concerned that I may be stopped by the police et al for carrying a blade amongst my kit (as has happened before) but that I have been marking-out 'secure shelters', medical facilities, and other possible sites of use that could be mis-interpreted as 'information of use to terrorists'



[edit on 31-1-2007 by citizen smith]

My brother in law went to the Statue of Liberty about a year ago and had a small survival kit in his pocket.

When he went through the check the people were like "Whats this?" and he said a survival kit. Then the sercurity started giving him a hard time saying "Do you know something we don't know?" And they ended up taking it away plus taking his pocket knife away.

So if you're going to carry it with you, know that it can be taken away and you'll lose your stuff.

I travel internationally quite often. Checked luggage. You cannot take water on board with you so forget about anything in your BOB, but you can put it in Checked luggage in the belly of the plane. Sure, they may go through your bag at the airport before you get to the departure gate, but you can watch them do it to make sure nothing goes missing. Pack a few zip ties on top of your bob and then ask them to secure it with a zip tie when they are finished with the security check. Never use a padlock, as they will cut it off and thoroughly search your bag with a fine toothed comb. I often go through without having my checked luggage searched at all. When they do search it they are very polite and always secure my bag afterwards.

There are ways to get certain items on board in the cabin with you if you are clever, but you have to be careful. If you get caught with say a pocket knife on you, it can get very uncomfortable as they don't take too kindly to people who violate the rules and smuggle things on board. it is all just a matter of learning how to do the dance properly like a good little drone, and they don't pay much attention to you. As I travel often, I am used to the system and know how to make it work for me.

So it's a matter of if you are stopped and found to be 'concealing' that will get you into trouble, but if you openly and honestly declare that you are merely a 'good boy scout' and are always prepared when you travel you will get by OK??

Besides, if you are on a plane and the worst happens, no amount of survival gear in your pocket will save you from a 500mph impact...and if you do survive a forced landing, there will be more make-shift gear at your disposal from the carcass of the plane than you could have carried aboard

No, Being open and honest will get you no where with TSA security at the airport unless you are an air marshal who is authorized to carry on what ever he needs.

I agree that a BOB will do nothing for you in an air emergency, However it is nice to have your gear when you arrive in case something happens while you are away from Home.

wanna laugh? I actually bought from these auctions....
confiscated knives on ebay
If you lost something at the gate, you may see it for sale in bulk with a hundred others.

Originally posted by shadow watcher
If you lost something at the gate, you may see it for sale in bulk with a hundred others.

I don't mean to derail the thread but I just have to ask who profits from the sale of those confiscated items?

the airport of course...unless they are resold by bulk buyers. I imagine employees get first dibs on the good stuff or it never gets declared confiscated. I dont recall there being any documentation with confiscated 'weapons'. I thought they were just dumped into a big barrel.

sorry for the temp hijack

The govener of my state has passed a law anything taken by the airports in Michigan goes to the state and the state sells it, and keeps the profit. They have also set up a means of retrievel of a taken item, if in fact you can prove its yours they will return it.

Originally posted by Terapin
Never use a padlock, as they will cut it off and thoroughly search your bag with a fine toothed comb.

I'm surprised that you don't use these I've never had a problem with TSA when utlizing these locks.

The problem I have with TSA locks is that they offer a false sense of security. It is very easy to get a TSA type lock key and then anyone can open your bag. You would never know if it was TSA or some unscrupulous bag handler.

I use specially colored zip ties to secure my bag. Most luggage handlers wont open them as they feel that if they cut it off, they will have to replace it with the same type of Zip tie or I will notice that it has been opened. Inside my bag I place one extra zip tie so that TSA can search it. TSA always searched my bag in front of me so I can watch what is going on. I also place two differently colored zip ties inside my bag, in case somewhere along my journey, there is a need for another search. That way I know if someone has opened my bag.

Sure, anyone could open my bag, but most wont because they don't want me to realize it and they don't carry around the same type of zip ties I use.

I feel the need to chime in here. I have a concealed weapons permit, and when I fly I have no problems bringing my pistol along. All you have to do is be honest about what you have. I have actually gotten a TSA employee fired for not being strict enough. This may sound stupid, but the best way to keep them from going through your things is to pack a gun.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I get on the plane with a gun in my pocket. When I checking my luggage, I politely say," I'm transporting a legal firearm in my baggage." They open my crushproof transport container to make sure the pistol is unloaded and that I have the ammo packaged correctly. They never once touch your firearm, not one finger. If they do, mandatory termination. They put a firearms card that can be seen with x-ray inside your gun case. From then on, the x-ray tells them there is a declared , legal firearm in that suitcase, it has already been inspected, with you there, and they dont need to open it.

The lady I got fired actually told me that if I had a trigger lock and key, I could bring it on my carry-on. I knew she was wrong and asked her supervisor why she let me enter a secure area of the airport with a firearm.
She was fired on the spot.


My point is, you know what you can't carry with you onto a plane, Drop that junk in your checked bags and you wont have to worry about it.


About the topic of the thread, I always have my "bug-out-bag" with me, or close enough that I can get to it quick. It consists of;
10 MRE's opened and loose for easier storage.
500 rounds of 9mm ammo, 9mm is the caliber I usually carry.
500 dollars cash
4 full changes of clothes
map to a "rendezvous point" for the family in North Dakota in case SHTF
I quality survival knife with all the goodies.
5 one liter water containers with sterile distilled water.
Tac light/laser combo for my pistol with spare batteries.
5 packs of smokes.(shut up, I know)
first aid kit. general rule for these is get on that has treatment for snakebites. If it has that than it has whatever else you'll need too.

Fits in a large backpack and only weighs about 20 pounds.



[edit on 1-2-2007 by Tiloke]

[edit on 1-2-2007 by Tiloke]

This won't help you in airports etc. but has anyone considered using g guitarpack to conceal that you are carrying a rifle.... Some modern guitarbagpacks are really very much like soft dragbags the snipers use, but they don't draw unwanted attention to you... only works with short rifles tough.

NORTHWOFL :

in a similar vien , a shooting partner of mine has a snow board / ski bag - with the big " O`NEILL " logo on both sides - and bright flashes down the sides

it is quite garrish , but he has taken it on the train , to work etc

without raising any eyebrows

it holds both his gun cases , rolled up dragbags everything

he says the key to the deception - is to look like a snow boarder - not a hunter carrying a snow board bag

Originally posted by TilokeAbout the topic of the thread, I always have my "bug-out-bag" with me, or close enough that I can get to it quick. It consists of;
10 MRE's opened and loose for easier storage.
500 rounds of 9mm ammo, 9mm is the caliber I usually carry.
500 dollars cash
4 full changes of clothes
map to a "rendezvous point" for the family in North Dakota in case SHTF
I quality survival knife with all the goodies.
5 one liter water containers with sterile distilled water.
Tac light/laser combo for my pistol with spare batteries.
5 packs of smokes.(shut up, I know)
first aid kit. general rule for these is get on that has treatment for snakebites. If it has that than it has whatever else you'll need too.

Fits in a large backpack and only weighs about 20 pounds.



[edit on 1-2-2007 by Tiloke]

[edit on 1-2-2007 by Tiloke]

I liked your bob preference Tiloke, In my car I keep a bigger bag of basics than the light one I always carry on my person.

In my legally stored travel BoB I always have at least:
2 changes of clothes+
Bivouac bag+
2 unopened heatsheat survival blankets
Basic small first aid kit+
flash light+
Solar shortwave radio
fire starter kit[lint,watter proof matches,windproof lighter]
5-10 MRE's+
Empty gallon jug+
Jar of watter purification tabs+
Collapsible fishing rod+
Tackle box+[lures,extra fishing string etc.]+
Survival knife
Extra mags+
50 rounds 40 cal. ammo
Alice pack+
Garmin EXP600 GPS+
2 Forms of Identification+
Concealed Carry permit+
Sidearms of choice+
Cell phone+
Cash+
SOG trident Combat Folder+
Wristwatch with compass+

while i appreciate replies to my thread - IMHO recent replies are drifting off topic

the " this is what is in my BoB " LISTS are very usefull - but there should really be a new threasd