The Evil of Man

I made this thread to try and show as many people as possible what happens to animals everyday, around the world in slaughter houses and farms. Please watch this whole video so that it may change some of you and maybe the world might become a better place for all.

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Veiwer discretion is advised.

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[edit on 30-1-2007 by sanctum]

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I like meat buddy. I could give a crap how the beast dies, so long as it's nice and fresh on my plate. We are animals. We also happen to be ominivores, so I would greatly appreciate it if you took your vegan self righteous i wanna put everyone down because I think I'm better then you attitude else where.

PS. I hate vegetarians. Especially pushy vegetarians.

Curious, just because we don't realize it, could it not be possible that we are harming every form of plant life that we slash and tear up for consuming?

I mean, are we not destroying another object of creation when we rob a plant of it's fruit, that is meant to carry on the species? Or do you only apply this to animals because of the fact that the results are bloodier and more graphic?

Where do your standards end, and others' begin? Why do you feel that you are the most righteous because you don't participate in the purchase of dead animals? And where do you shop, because I would hate to think you are shopping in a typical grocery store that sells meat, since you would be supporting their business when they do something you disagree with so vehemently.

I eat meat myself... or atleast i did until a few days ago. The point of the thread was not that people shouldn't eat meat but how animals are teated by man everyday. Hunting an animal for food is normal but mass producing them just to be killed for clothes, furs and meat is wrong.

We depend on them for everything but we treat them like slaves and objects.

If you don't like the message then you go and eat your meat but atleast watch the video so you can see for yourself how disgusting it really is and where that meat came from.

Originally posted by Falnath
We depend on them for everything but we treat them like slaves and objects.

I disagree. If you were talking about machines in maybe 20 years where I have a feeling we will be super dependent on them, I would have an easier time agreeing with you. To say that we depend on animals though, seems a little bit of a false assumption. I remember reading back in high school in a book about how much grain it takes to feed a single cow, and how many people that same amount of grain could feed. We don't depend on the cow, as much as we depend on the convenience of a cow, pig, chicken, alligator, etc. (I had to throw in the alligator).

As for using their fur, skins, and other parts as a means of clothing/accessories, why not? I had a chinchilla fur coat, it was the warmest coat I ever owned. I would buy another one if I could come across such high quality at such a low price, too.

Let the onslaught from PETA begin...

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I like meat buddy. I could give a crap how the beast dies, so long as it's nice and fresh on my plate. We are animals. We also happen to be ominivores, so I would greatly appreciate it if you took your vegan self righteous i wanna put everyone down because I think I'm better then you attitude else where.

PS. I hate vegetarians. Especially pushy vegetarians.

Now hang on a second...

Falnath did not ask you to stop eating meat!!! He asked that you watch the video and make a discission. And why the personal insult??? You call him self righteous and then go on to say you hate vegetarians??? Thats hypocritical and self righteous in my opinion!

Me... im gonna watch the whole video and then make a dissision on what i post... not just attack and insult someone without even looking into it.

Oh and for the record... i eat meat... love the stuff.

damn just watched most it
stoped just when it came to food

Gas chambers for cats/dogs
throwing them in Dusbin trucks alive to be crushed to death

some people shouldnt be allowed to have pets

sickening


on animals been bred for food (i have nothing against it)
and agree with Rockpuck on that

Watching animals be killed isn't going to sway my opinion either way.. I love meat.

As a matter of fact im having smoked turkey for dinner tonight xD

If God didn't want you to eat meat he wouldn't have filled animals full of the stuff.
Now as for treating them badly I would say I am against anything being treated badly. Think of all the people in the world that suffer each day.

There is nothing wrong with vegetarians. They taste great. PETA= People Eating Tasty animals

Humans are omnivores by nature. Eat food, real food, not processed stuff that comes in a box. Don't eat too much. Overeating is a significant problem world wide. Don't eat till you feel full. You should stop before you feel full as it takes time to register in your brain that you have all ready eaten too much. Eat mostly vegetables. Meat should be thought of as a side dish, much like Asian diets. Hydrate adequately.

Oh yeah, killing puppies, kittens, and fuzzy bunnies should be done in a humane way.

How in the hell are you going to feed 6 billion people without ranches, farms and slaughterhouses? "Oh, poor mister cornstalk, I had no idea you felt that way".

Originally posted by Soitenly
How in the hell are you going to feed 6 billion people without ranches, farms and slaughterhouses?

They need to find a way to "grow" steak:
"Look honey, the T-Bone Plant is ripening. And our Filet Mignon Bush needs picking."

Or animate it from cells to be hunted in the wild — roving wild steaks:
"Ssssshhh, there's a herd of New York strips hiding out in that thicket. Let me take aim."

Originally posted by Soitenly
How in the hell are you going to feed 6 billion people without ranches, farms and slaughterhouses? "Oh, poor mister cornstalk, I had no idea you felt that way".

Educate yourself...

in the U.S., animals eat 80% of the corn supply and 95% of the oats
in the U.S., more than half of the harvested agricultural land is used to grow food for livestock
for every 16 pounds of grain and soybeans fed to beef cattle, one pound of meat is produced (most of the rest becomes manure that pollutes our water)
40,000 children starve to death on the planet every day
to feed one meat-eater for a year's worth of food requires three and a half acres of land; it takes only one half acre for a lacto-ovo vegetarian and one sixth acre for a vegan; with one acre of land, one can feed 20 times as many people on a pure vegetarian diet as one a meat-based diet
one acre of land can grow 165 pounds of beef; it can also grow 20,000 pounds of potatoes...

Source

Without the production of meat we could actually feed MORE PEOPLE.

I don't really believe that 40,000 children on the planet starving everyday should be directly linked to rasing cattle instead of all crops... I feel like there are plenty of other huge reasons people are undernourished. Political and economic factors go in there too. I think those kids are going to go starving no matter how much crops we produce to tell you the truth.

Also most farms use pesticides which can devestate local ecosystems from top to bottom. So livestock aren't exactly alone in polution.

One good thing is that if you don't want to eat meat, you don't have to. Nobody's forcing anybody to kill and eat animals. Isn't that nice?

As far as being cruel is concerned, human beings are animals and we're designed to have a pretty strong cruel streak in us. It's an evolutionary mechanism. If it wasn't for our ability to efficiently and heartlessly kill, we wouldn't be a successful species. We would have died out a long time ago.

And we don't just kill animals. We kill each other, too. Some of your ancestors were probably soldiers who killed people. Maybe they called it "preserving democracy," or "being loyal to the King," or whatever. But they probably did their share of killing.

To preserve your right to not have to eat animals if you don't want to.

See? It all works out.

Anyone who takes away my meat will be eaten, promptly and without ceremony.

We're omnivores, and thrive on a diverse diet. Fish one day, yams in rice batter the next, greens with steak on another night, sausages and turnips on thursdays, and so on. It's good to eat a lot of different stuff, and meat is no exception, according to most of what I've read. As long as you have some wine with your meal, and ginger afterwards, you're in good shape.

There is a lot of material put out by vegans, vegetarians, that questions the validity of my opinion, but it hasn't convinced me yet...

I'm certainly willing to listen to the arguments, but I consider it a matter of personal choice at this point.

Even if we do away with the process of raising cows for meat, we ought to persist with fowl and rabbits, because they have a much smaller agricultural impact, and provide excellent meat. Fish is also not to be discarded lightly. It's brain food.

Just because something currently has a huge environmental impact doesn't mean it necessarily has to, and incidentally, the impact from large-scale agriculture is also enormous, nevermind the meat!

So, the environmentalist appeal is pretty weak, IMO. We could clean up the slaughterhouses and factory farms, still eat meat, and pollute a whole lot less.

in all actuality we should really be looking how we treat and kill these animals..

I myself eat meat, so call me a hypocrite whatever.. its your right/rite.. ?

but an animal who lives under stressed conditions is going to have negative genetic "side-effects" and produce meat with more toxins than it would have in nature. Another thing to consider is the generations of chickens bred and other live-stock whose older generations have lived under torture, sure they're tough birds / cattle etc... because of this, but its not a good kind of tough, its effecting the populations that ingest it.

Animals should be treated like royalty and than put down "stress-free"... I know it seems like an inhumane thing to do, but its better they had a good life and went to a good cause instead of having a #ty life and dying under stressful conditions.

I think we need to pay more attention to how we treat the things we depend on, sure feeding them crap is "cheap" and having them in the smallest spaces so you can fit the most you can in (for profits/prophets) is cheap, but it effects their moods and their offspring and the over-all quality of the products and our mentality towards the place we live and the other life-forms that exist here with us.

I'm all for eating meat... but I'm for treating the animals more humanely while they are raised.... Maybe they could even be loved? and maybe we can even learn to deal with the death of the things we love...

I think we could easily come to a better understanding of our world if we took a minute to look at how we treat it, and how it would function without our implications.

If meat is murder, MURDER TASTES PRETTY GOD DAMN GOOD!

Originally posted by cuda
If meat is murder, MURDER TASTES PRETTY GOD DAMN GOOD!

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA....

Anyway,

Originally posted by Falnath
I made this thread to try and show as many people as possible what happens to animals everyday, around the world in slaughter houses and farms. Please watch this whole video so that it may change some of you and maybe the world might become a better place for all.

Good topic, but I am kinda confused about what we are discussing. Are we discussing the proccess of killing the animal or just the fact that we consume too much of them?

If it's about the proccess, in which it might seem like torture, then i will agree with you 100 percent. I feel we should make it as humane as possible.

As for the amount consumed, I feel its ok. I love meat and will continue to buy it. I feel its part of a healthy lifestyle. Mind you vegetarians are just as healthy, but require more effort and different choices to obtain the nutrients and whatnot that are in meat. I don't think we should ever remove meat from our food choices at the store.

Always with the attacks on meat eaters.

I believe that there is more cruelty away from meat than with it.
Farmed meat gets veterinary attention, mostly pretty good food, most stress from their natural environment is removed. OK it may be considered sick to treat them well then kill them. But nature is crueler. Most of its predators will eat you while you are still breathing.

Yea there are evil farmers where the animal commodity is not treated to well and in Britain BSE, foot and mouth etc may make a few weary.

I think of the cruelty of Bull Fighting, Fox Hunting in the UK (yes it still goes on), cock fighting etc.

I do sometimes wonder if even the riding of horses is cruel. Just because its got a flat back and can be pressured into doing as its told, don't make it right.

Putting cats in a bag and throwing it into a lake for a laugh, is sickening.
The way we treat each other is sickening.

Watching Killer Whales play with a seal till its death is sickening.

Man is cruel, nature is cruel, we are not above nature, we are a part of it.
Get over it.

Whether it takes 1 acre or a 1000 acres to feed me, I pay for the difference and as long as long as there is enough acreage and a willing farmer, wheres the problem?

And regarding the effect of all the animals on the planet. Ever worked with a Vegan? I did. They stink. He continually went on about his superior life style although I out ran him and participated in more sport. The horrible pasty skin hidden by a beard, that he did not have prior to being Vegan apparently...covering something up?

You stick to your pulses and veg guys. I will stick to my balanced diet, as nature intended. A bit of veg, a bit of fruit and a huge sizzling slab of something that was an ex-animal. Mmm I smell bacon.