From Anonymous Posts: Nazism in the U.S.

Original Anonymous Post By: anon_91615
This anonymous post is in response to ATS thread: America's Nazi Party

Im from Germany and I want to know how well Nazis ideas are supported in the U.S.A.?

And I also want to know why some people on this disussion board think that facism in not so bad as nazism?

Furthermore I want to know how strong the racism in the U.S is, how strong are black people discriminated against?

Thank you!!

PS: please correct my english if there are some mistakes

Thanks for your post. I noticed it in the anonymous section and thought I would move it here. Tell us your username if you didn't intend for this to be anonymous.

You mentioned three things so I'll comment on them one at a time.

1: how well Nazis ideas are supported in the U.S.A.?

I would say very well, in the secret pinnacles of where America is controlled. Without the mass killing, national socialism is not so different from the mindless patriotism which is encouraged by our leaders. Also have we smuggled nazis into the US after WW2 through Operation Paperclip, but the thinking was if we don't take these guys, somebody else will take them. IMO, espionage is a lot like managing a football team. When the freeagents are available, you don't ask them their ideaology, you just get them on your team. ...Anyway in my city although the demographic is mostly white, and yes people do covertly hold racist/bigoted attitudes, there is a pervasive current of anti-racist thinking, communication and interaction between people. ...Also, the demographic where I live is about 70% Christian and that carries a lot of weight in America, in that it does affect a change of heart toward other races and so this is observed by myself in interaction with other Americans daily. ...If you are German, you may be familiar with your country's judicial cases against certain religious cults. In a way, racism is like these closed cult groups because like any closed group of people, racists/bigots are able to communicate with one another in a sort of code. ...For example, if I am white and there is a black person in the room, and then this man leaves the room, I am able to communicate my bigoted beliefs to the other white people in the room, without much risk to myself. What I am saying is that if I make a racist comment after a black man leaves the room, I am not likely to face reprisal from other white people in the room. They may give me a hard look or cluck their breath but they wouldn't confront me as a racist due to the prevailing tolerance of racist views. Most Americans don't agree with what the racist person is exclaiming, but they understand how other Americans may hold archaic beliefs and they will not speak up. I imagine other more cosmopolitan US cities will not allow this sort of behavior, but my city cannot be said to be unusual. ...BTW I am no racist and when I have observed the aformentioned behavior, I have said out loud "Not everybody thinks like you do." In such situations, I would get nods from others within earshot. ...In a way it's like bigotry/racism thrives in secret.



2: And I also want to know why some people on this disussion board think that facism in not so bad as nazism?

They are the same in my opinion. It's like arguing the difference between beer and ale. The effect is the same. The taste may vary.



3: Furthermore I want to know how strong the racism in the U.S is, how strong are black people discriminated against?

Racism is defined as an overinterest in one's race. Bigotry is when you think your race is superior to another's. Generally they are used interchangeably and so I would say that yes, both racism and bigotry are held as beliefs widely in the US. This means both whites and blacks are over concerned about their race, and also do discriminate based on race. Again, as I said above, this is no different than any group which despises or excludes another group. If republicans get extreme enough to assasinate a democrat, isn't it a sort of red on blue killing? Kinda like the American gangs, the bloods and the crips, you know? Anyway, yes, colors are used to manipulate every nation. When I say the words, black-red-white, might a german person conjure an image of the nazi swastika? If I say the words, red-white-blue, might an american conjure an image of the US flag? If I say the words, black-white, might a person conjure images of black american leaders like Malcom X, Dr. MLK Jr. and also of white Americans who stood for equality like Abraham Lincoln and JFK? Certainly even just the context of mentioning colors can conjure images in the mind. But isn't it funny that we can all still breed with one another? Heck even the bird has numerous version of itself, hawks, ducks, owls, ostritches... It seems like man and woman are unique upon Earth and that the color spectrum of skin is a game which Creator plays upon us. Just my .02 and thanks for your questions.

Ok, I have to ask, why is this in this section, after reading it, I don't
see how it deals with Socialism in any way shape or form.

Original Anonymous Post By: anon_91615
And I also want to know why some people on this disussion board think that facism in not so bad as nazism?

If we look Fascism in a nutshell, it isn't inherently as bad as Nazism, they are both the same thing except for that Nazism includes discrimination against the Jews.

If you look at the members of the Italian Fascist party in the 1920's 1/3 of the members were actually Jews and it was only in 1938 that Racial Policy in Italy was introduced and this was only because Hitler effectively forced Mussolini into introducing the Policy.

Originally posted by iori_komei
Ok, I have to ask, why is this in this section, after reading it, I don't
see how it deals with Socialism in any way shape or form.

Agreed. Moved to "Other Ideologies", as this has nothing to do with Socialism.