Ray gun makes targets feel as if they are on fire

Originally posted by Royal76
Now there's a way you can be burned at the stake and live to talk about it. I swear if some body fake burns me i'm still going to sue. For real though it sounds a lot better than having to kill everyone. But don't you think the more Psychotic people will just fight thru the pain knowing its not real?

[edit on 25-1-2007 by Royal76]

The pain isn't imaginary. If they have functioning nerve endings, they're not going to be doing anything other than trying to get relief. We're not talking about only mildly irritating pain. It'd be somewhat analogous to remaining calm while boiling water is poured on your skin. You don't just casually ignore that.

Originally posted by malganis

Originally posted by BlueRaja

Weapons are tools. They possess no moral/immoral attributes beyond those of the user. Heating skin through EM radiation is a far cry from being able to "control" the minds of Russians and the Chinese. It's really a terrible analogy.

I didn't say anything about mind control? I meant that that the world isn't going to get any better while these new 'cool' weapons are being developed. Weapons research is going to go too far and it will be too late before people realise that weapons aren't as 'cool' as they think.

So we should unilaterally stop developing means to more effectively fight, and hope the rest of the world follows our lead, based upon man's inherant goodness?

this stuff can be and will be shielded, only civilians will receive the shaft, so to speak. nothing new, imho, the .223 cartridge, for example creates horrific wounds if it fragments, when it does not, the round is not a reliable stopper. penetrating cover doesn't work too well either.

in short, move up, shoot them and if someone tries to get away, just wound him, then track him and it doesn't matter squat if he's got cover if he's unarmed.

microwaves, btw, are dangerous

www.laleva.org...

heating blood transfusions to 37C by microwave proved deadly ! cooking the entire body does seem counter intuitive given that knowledge, deosn't it?

[edit on 25-1-2007 by Long Lance]

but hte microwaves in this device are in the mm frequency and will only penetrate your skin into the top layer, where your sensory nerves are. we're not talking about the higher amplitude waves from a cooking device.

if i had to make a choice between using this on a crowd that was starting to make me feel endagered and opening up on them with my .50, id rather use this.

but thats just me and as ive said many times, im kind of a pacifist at heart.

Originally posted by CanadianGlasnost
Hum looks great

when will I be able to buy one for myself?

hum? Only 54 celcius degree... seems a bit low when the guy realises he's not going to ignite

won't the enemy get used to it pretty fast?

Edit: just had the picture of a US soldier handling the thing

"what the crap... 54 degrees? (doesnt see the celcius indication) seems too low for me... im going to push it a bit...."

*fries another soldier during training

[edit on 24-1-2007 by CanadianGlasnost]

The subject can know they aren't going to ignite all they want the device still stimulates the burning sensation. Have your ever been burned? It isn't fun and doesn't tickle. And I knew I wasn't going to combust. They pain is real even if there aren't any left over results.

Still... I'd like to point out they talk about 54 celcius degre...

a 54 celcius degree wave would probably surprise me enough but not hot enough to fry me

also they already tested it on humans in the article... and they didnt have any casualty...

it can't be that Lethal then?

It's not supposed to be lethal- just hurt like hell.

Now they have to have artificial means, ha--my girl friend used to make me feel on fire all the time.

I'm told the apparatus raises your skin temperature to 50 degrees centigrade down to one sixty-fourth inch deep. It would certaily take an exercise of will to ignore it, but if it doesn't get any hotter than that it could be done.

Furthermore, tuned photonic crystal coatings on clothing would negate it on all covered skin. As a matter of fact, a tinfoil shield would protect anyone behind it especially if it were grounded.

[edit on 25-1-2007 by Astronomer70]

yeah the cnn article i read had some reporters being hit with it to see how it felt.

its like when the cops wont give you a taser unless you take a hit from it.

and tinfoil..heh, seems the hats may serve a purpose afterall huh?

who knew?

Originally posted by Damocles


and tinfoil..heh, seems the hats may serve a purpose afterall huh?

who knew?

no, they don't help without being grounded and even then i imagine it requires some experience and most importantly, testing.


people.csail.mit.edu...

a casual tinfoil hat will amplify µwave signals

The helmets amplify frequency bands that coincide with those allocated to the US government between 1.2 Ghz and 1.4 Ghz. According to the FCC, These bands are supposedly reserved for ''radio location'' (ie, GPS), and other communications with satellites (see, for example, [3]). The 2.6 Ghz band coincides with mobile phone technology. Though not affiliated by government, these bands are at the hands of multinational corporations.

in other words, tinfoil is an OK material but it has to be used with some expertise, just fyi.

Originally posted by BlueRaja

Originally posted by malganis

Originally posted by BlueRaja

Weapons are tools. They possess no moral/immoral attributes beyond those of the user. Heating skin through EM radiation is a far cry from being able to "control" the minds of Russians and the Chinese. It's really a terrible analogy.

I didn't say anything about mind control? I meant that that the world isn't going to get any better while these new 'cool' weapons are being developed. Weapons research is going to go too far and it will be too late before people realise that weapons aren't as 'cool' as they think.

So we should unilaterally stop developing means to more effectively fight, and hope the rest of the world follows our lead, based upon man's inherant goodness?

It's just an idea called world peace. Don't ask how we'd achieve it, because if we knew that we wouldn't be fighting so much. All i'm saying is that glorifying weaponry isn't really on the right track to giving us a good mindset and the world a good future.

Anyway back on topic, does anyone think that if this weapon proves effective, the military may increase the power of it in the future? i.e set it from 'stun' to 'kill' to make it a lethal weapon.
Just a thought.

The military already has plenty of lethal weapons. If mass casualties were what we were trying to achieve, don't you think we could do a better job, by just carpet bombing cities, or dropping nukes?

haha, ray gun


i want one.....a big one.......i'm going to make my house think its on fire

Originally posted by CrazyPolak
haha, ray gun


i want one.....a big one.......i'm going to make my house think its on fire

better idea...make your NEIGHBORS house think its on fire

better yet, your neighbors cat rofl jk, i dont advocate animal abuse.

[edit on 27-1-2007 by Damocles]

This is interesting and all, but just wait till the next set of non-lethal or semi lethal weapons are announced. My brother-in-law worked for the DOE and he has seen them first hand. They are sound wave weapons using high and low frequency amplified sound waves like the ones in minority report. I’m just wondering how long it'll be before the bullet goes the way of the dinosaur.

Apparently this thing is much harder to counter than at first thought.....

"Some of the people tested against tried to hide by laying down behind some concrete traffic barriers and the beam went underneath [where there was uneven contact with the ground]."

Pain beam not easily foiled

That's pretty insidious.....but supposedly glass (like a car windshield) gives some protection (according to some of the documents found here: Wired article).

But seriously, I'd rather get blasted with this thing than other non-lethal stuff like stun guns and tasers.....

I'd certainly hope that it wasn't easily countered. The whole purpose of this system is to establish a tactical advantage, whereby your foe is rendered ineffective. I'm for anything that's going to help save lives, be it civilian or US military.

speaking of easily countered, if its a ray.....wouldn't a mirror deflect it?

the term "ray" is being used as a generic phrase here. when people hear 'ray gun' they think laser or some such. a mirror reflects a laser becuase it is light. this is a different part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

all this is are directed microwaves.

no i know that its not a laser. its like microwaves right? or heat waves? mirrors can deflect both and glass can intensify heat, like the ant and the magnifying glass.