"If you could ask a time traveler a question what would you ask?"

talk about your dog all you want but trying to circumvent the profanity censors will get you in hot water with the mod.

remember, you are on a site that encourages debates from all angles. When you tell a tale, be it true or false or somewhere in between, someone on the site is going to question it. If you want your story to be heard, you will have to put up with the folks that want to question you.

I have been reading up on Titor's 2000 posts in the archives.

He warned us of a Civil war in 2005. So we were smart and changed the future...no war. What does that do to Titor's timeline that he was on.

Does that mean the timeline he was on, looped to a conclusion and we are on a new one now?

Those structures on Mars that seem to appear, where there were none 30 years ago. Is that part of Titors loop that played out years ago and are now a part of our past?

In the camelot interviews it was brought up that they have created a mess of time loops and they don't know how, what they have changed will affect the eventual outcome.

I think this problem, is what we are going to find out, and is the reason for the need to straighten things out. We can't continue stumbling around in the dark like we have in the past.

Part of being brought up to speed.

We could be heading for the culmination of all

PART 1 OF 3

win 52!!

You said,

I have been reading up on Titor's 2000 posts in the archives.

He warned us of a Civil war in 2005. So we were smart and changed the future...no war. What does that do to Titor's timeline that he was on.

Does that mean the timeline he was on, looped to a conclusion and we are on a new one now?

I can't remember exactly what TD and I discussed about this, except to say that TD said Titor made these predictions, along with predictions about "her" family dying, or being killed (I think TD said it was a team, but the girl may have been the lead), but she went home and saw her family was still alive.

How can you explain this? Don't know. Either Titor was not a time traveler, or Titor WAS, and her version of the future was changed by her appearance and admissions here, or Titor was not on her own timeline...These options are my own speculation. There could be other reasons.

I've been trying to reconcile everything that's been going on on our planet. So many things don't fit together to create a clear picture.

There are so many odds and ends that it's hard to fit everything together. This has to do with bizarre things like a Star Wars program without a conceivable reason for being, for detainment camps for the same reason, for the very sudden rush of discoveries we're making of late, and for all of the intensifying paranormal and ET stuff going on. It's crazy.

I wanted to offer a possible answer to a lot of what's going on. There is a terrific interview with an abductee named Alex Collier. Collier may be a credible abductee. I don't know how many times he may have been absucted, or if it is still going on, but he's had a lot to talk about with regard to his abduction experiences.

He was either shown, or told about the behavior of black holes that seemed to contradict current scientific theory. When Stephen Hawking made a retraction with one of his black hole theories, the end result actually confirmed what Collier had initially stated. Here's a link to an article on this matter - LINK.

Black holes also play a significant role in what's happening now, according to Collier.

Buckle up!

win 52, you used the word culmination. I believe you are right on track with that thought.

I'm going to point to a 1996 interview that Collier did with Leading Edge interview. Leading Edge International Research Group's website can be found here - LINK (It's also called trufax.org).

Here are some excerpts from the Leading Edge interview with Alex Collier, abductee,

Alex Collier is "AC"

Val: You noted that "we are all to become teachers" when the Earth passes from the fourth density to the fifth. Are you able to elaborate on that?

AC: Yes. Essentially, what is supposed to happen is that when we move into fifth density, many of us for some reason are going to find us back where we started with our extraterrestrial origin.

Val: In alien humanoid bodies from whence we came, before we occupied bodies here.

AC: Exactly, and with all the experiences here. According to Moraney, they will all be recognized as teachers and as a group that has gone through a "first ever" transformation.

More,

Val: Do you have a particular perception of a relationship between HAARP and the Montauk projects?

AC: No, but I know that the Andromedans are very concerned about Montauk, because the humans who are working with this technology are being given specific coordinates in space, and the regressives that are here can use that same technology and leave here. The whole point is to track where they are going, so they do not continue to propagate their belief systems.

SOURCE

CONTINUED...

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Read on,

Val: So, is it at all likely we could all wake up one morning into a completely different reality?

AC: I think it's possible for some beings, but I don't think it's possible for all of us. I think that it is going to be a gradual transformation of consciousness. We are all essentially going to change our minds and create something else, and it will be voluntary and more of a group effort.

Val: From the point of view of the regressives, then, they would be "escaping" something -- something like a realization by the mass population of how they have been hoodwinked.

AC: Yes. They would probably have that kind of perspective.

Also,

Val: And the New World Order?

AC: It's going to manifest itself, but it is going to be very short-lived. The reason it is going to manifest itself is that it is a reality above us.

Val: In another overtone.

AC: Yes. So its going to manifest itself here because that reality will be imploding into this one.

AC: At the time I asked, it was over 90%. The people will change everything.

SOURCE

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Lastly,

Val: I mean, they can't go anywhere in this solar system in the third density. Could they go to a different density?

AC: I don't know that it is an option they now have. I am pretty sure that fourth and fifth density are quarantined, because I know a group of Greys tried to dimensionally skip out, and they were caught -- their ship was 21 miles in length. They were going interdimensional when they got caught, so I don't think that's an option.

Val: There is apparently a parallel Earth that is one or two overtones above this one, that is actively participating in the subjugation of this particular overtone, together with world government factions like the NSA and Montauk technology. So, presumably, with the "uplifting" of the general vibratory resonance on all frequency levels, these other overtones containing regressives would be lifted upward to a point where they would have to cease that line of thought?

AC: That's a great question. Nobody has ever asked me about this. My understanding is that even as far back as 1931, a parallel reality had been created. It was something that one of the societies in Germany was involved in. Perhaps the Vril. They were playing with something. Anyway, my understanding is that any parallel realities having their origin out of the original timeline are going to implode back into the original timeline.

Val: So, there is a main line of reality into which they would implode.

AC: Basically the line of reality that we ourselves are familiar with.

SOURCE

Collier mentions elements of other timelines appearing on our timeline. The first thing I thought of was these Halliburton detainment camps that don’t seem to have a cause for their being here.

I remember someone had talked about U.S. citizens crossing the border into Canada to avoid the military state that was forming, but it would be short lived. This really hits a chord with these interviews.

He talks about countrymen hanging and killing the people responsible for keeping us in the dark, and for taking advantage of our race. Win 52 and TD have both mentioned the people going after those responsible for perpetuating this charade.

He talks about our belief systems creating our reality, and that at the time of the interview he saw that 10% of the earth’s population, a requisite number for intervention, would be needed and would effect a call for intervention.

Collier predicted that this call would be made in August of 2003. How do we know if this call was made or not? I suggest you can look around you, and see how much things have been heating up over the last three years or so and get your answer.

Collier talks about a choice that will be given to every person on this planet with regard to our futures. TD said that all of us would be given a real choice as to what future we wanted to see. AlienAgenda has said the same thing - that we will each be given a clear choice about our futures.

So, are multiple realities merging? Alternate realities imploding into this, our own, the main timeline.

Are the bad guys on the run? I say yes!

Read more of the interview if you’re interested. As far as I’m concerned, Collier is right on the money.

Exactly how much I guess we’ll just have to wait and see…




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Wow onthedeck, that was interesting. Thanks for posting!

The next 5 years will be very interesting indeed. I'm looking forward to it, even if for some reason there's a very small chance we get blinked out of existence.

edit: I read collier's interview and it sounds very similar to sleeper's experiences!

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Originally posted by timedrifter
WHY HAS ONLY MY POST BEEN EDITED WHILE THE OTHER CHEESE REMAINS??

He insulted me calling me a hoax, I have been strait forward as I could thus far and being called a hoax is same as liar, which IS an insult you mods let slide by.

OTD, I hope you see that they are singling me out now and leaving the opposition there, thanks for policing only me mods!!

[edit on 21-3-2007 by timedrifter]

you are a hoax. I speak the truth.

Do you realize your little story, if it were true, would be the single most important event not just on this planet, but probably in our galaxy ?

If George W. Bush shape shifted into a reptilian on live TV, ate dick cheney, and admitted 9/11 was an inside job designed to allow the US to get rid of the taliban so they could increase the flow of opium so the CIA could make money to keep the black man down, that story would be dwarfed by yours !!!

Your story would validate and verify aliens are visiting us, and time travel is possible. You also have claimed Jesus, Elvis, JFK show up at a slayer concert.

Dude, all I have to do is post your myspace page and ask everyone to investigate if you are the most important living being in our galaxy

I think most people would conclude you are a bored married guy with kids playing on the internet

this thread is a hoax, and should be moved to creative fiction or dumped.



[edit on 21-3-2007 by syrinx high priest]

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
I think most people would conclude...

I think most people think they should believe things when really they are supposed to think for themselves. I do wish the world would catch on.

Interesting that your negative post is the 666th post on this thread when it has 13 flags.

You have a right to your opinion, but if that opinion were shared there would be more posters like you in this thread.

There just aren't.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt, however, and suggest that there may be more people who share your opinion, but they realize what a waste of time it is to log in, navigate to a thread in the speculation section of this website, find the last page, and then take the time to write out a post explaining how absurd it is.

You must have a better way to spend your time.

If you would like to deride a thread that strains the T&C of ATS, then move to the Alien & UFOs section and read sleeper's thread entitled, "I'm coming clean on extraterrestrials".

You may ask yourself where the proof is for that thread as well - except that we're in the speculation section and he's in the scientific proof section.

I want sleeper to know this isn't a criticism of him, or his story, but I'm merely making a point.

you are a hoax. I speak the truth.

Your opinion has been duly noted. I'm glad that you are able to share that opinion here, albeit at my expense.

Unfortunately, I have been blessed with a story that is as equally credible for me as it is unbelievable for many of you. So I must suffer through, but I do so willingly and with a happy heart.

You suggested,

Do you realize your little story, if it were true, would be the single most important event not just on this planet, but probably in our galaxy ?

Hardly in our galaxy, but it would definitely turn some heads here. That's kind of what we're hoping. Please be patient.

You said,

If George W. Bush shape shifted into a reptilian on live TV, ate dick cheney, and admitted 9/11 was an inside job designed to allow the US to get rid of the taliban so they could increase the flow of opium so the CIA could make money to keep the black man down, that story would be dwarfed by yours !!!

That's actually quite awesome. LOL That would be like hitting the conspiracy jackpot.

It all looks so absurd doesn't it? Truth with lies mixed with half truths mixed with fantasy...How to sort it all out...? That's the question...

Regarding your fantastic collage there, it's clear that there are groups that wish to muddy these subjects. They want to create confusion and fear, and do so fairly well.

If you are bright enough, and are able to read between the lines, you can see not only what is really going on behind the scenes, you can see what it is those folks are trying to cover up. From that spot you can see clearly what it is I am trying to communicate to you.

It doesn't matter anyway, because when real, physical events begin to take center stage there will be no more disinformation, or governmental stonewalling.

All of the lies, confusion, and fear will drop away, almost instantly. And people are really going to start living.

You said,

Your story would validate and verify aliens are visiting us, and time travel is possible. You also have claimed Jesus, Elvis, JFK show up at a slayer concert.

I KNOW. Isn't it crazy? I just hope I'm able to sell a pile of tickets before people catch on and want their money back. Shhh

More enlightenment may be more than I can take in one night,

Dude, all I have to do is post your myspace page and ask everyone to investigate if you are the most important living being in our galaxy

How do you know what the most important being in the galaxy looks like?

Another axiom for the ages,

I think most people would conclude you are a bored married guy with kids playing on the internet

It would be a good guess.

Finally,

this thread is a hoax, and should be moved to creative fiction or dumped.

See ibid. re: sleeper's thread.

Hi, curiousbeliever!

The next five years will be very interesting. I'll tell you, it's interesting right now! Every day something blows me away...You don't have to be a fortune teller to know we're knee deep in it now..

Prote, that's a crazy observation. If that's true it's very interesting...

I whipped up a little portrait in honor of our 666th poster, on our 13th flag.



Are folks like this at play on ATS...?

syrinx high priest,
you brought up like 3 things that were mentioned in this thread, you obviously did not read the book or listen to any of the interviews, so you are just another fame seeker off this thread, so again move on to another thread if you do not like this one, you are no one's champion here, your opinion is anticipated, perhaps your offended by my mentioning jesus, are you a believer or non believer in jesus? doesnt matter your on the ignore list now, it is also obvious you did not completely read the thread, your picking little tidbits here and there and it shows and you dont know jack cause it is all your little opinion.

why are you even here at this forum, do you have an experience to speak of?
or you here to inject your useless opinion with the misfits here?

and in your title you call yourself "eater of the dead"? and I am supposed to take your weak opinion seriously? please, go back to the sand box kid.

how ignorant are you, of all places, you are judging things by appearance, I never said I thought I was the most important person, you said that based on your belief system, I see it as me doing my part to make the world better, nothing more.

you speak the truth?? you speak opinion boy, your matter of fact tone is opinion.

BTW, thanks for giving me all the credit.

BTW, awesome picture OTD!! and that awesome collier article has time travel all over it, another confirmation type thing, you rock OTD!!!

Prote,
thanks for pointing that out to mr truth speaker over there that people can think for themselves, I guess he is trying to do the thinking for everyone with his OPINION, especially since he points out 3 details out of hundreds.

BTW, how come the mods did not step in and tell him to stay on topic?? whats up with that?

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Hello there,
First of all, I would like to tell the time traveler I developed a deep respect for him. Time travel has always been a great interest of mine, I too, long for freedom, not just my own, but all our freedom.

I would like to know a few of these things:

How does it feel entering a complete different period in time? (like going through the portal)

and

When can I start?

consider that my volunteering.

Originally posted by OnTheDeck
TD admitted that the building he traveled to, which was an IRS facility, at which he had an experience of missing time, was a location referred to as "Montauk" by his coworkers and supervisor.

I see what you're saying. The key words here are 'referred to.'

Allow me to elaborate.

Near the town where I live is a little town that friends and I refer to as Dirt Water. We call it that because the plumbing in the town is so old that the tap water tastes terrible, just like dirt. However, I can assure you that Dirt Water is not its real name.

Now if someone who did not know about our 'nickname' for the town was to hear us discussing it they might actually believe the name was Dirt Water. They wouldn't know any better because they were not familiar with the area.

Yeah im gonna be posting alot of questions, for the guys at www.highimpacthalo.org

Sooooo... My first two

"Does war have one causality?" (NOTE: not "Casulty", but "causality."

And, "something you could expect from a video game wehsite, What are video games like 20 years from today?"

Originally posted by Crakeur
It's arrogance to the first degree. If this abduction at this so called montauk facility took place you'd provide the address and hand me a can of shut up juice.

At this point I'm curious.

Have you ever been the subject of a mind wipe? One that was so well done that it took years for just some of the memories to start coming back?

But then, coming back slowly and in pieces in a way that you KNEW there was still more, and you were doing your darndest to put those pieces back together in a way that make more sense?

And if it was coming back in pieces, do you think that perhaps what was still missing might just cause a bit of a jumble, at least for awhile?

Or do you think eveything would just come back all at once? Could you even be sure about that?

Or is it that you do not believe in abductions or mind wipes to begin with and therefore nothing anyone had to say to you would satisfy you?

If you do not believe in such things then are you the type who went to an unfamiliar place years ago, but yet remember every road, exit and address you encountered while you where there?

No offense, just curious.

Originally posted by ShadowEyes
Near the town where I live is a little town that friends and I refer to as Dirt Water. We call it that because the plumbing in the town is so old that the tap water tastes terrible, just like dirt. However, I can assure you that Dirt Water is not its real name.

Now if someone who did not know about our 'nickname' for the town was to hear us discussing it they might actually believe the name was Dirt Water. They wouldn't know any better because they were not familiar with the area.

Let me give you a little background info so you can understand the mistake made in the montauk issue.

1. Montauk is a very well known long island (NY) town. It is at the very end of long island, on the south fork. It has a rich history in the state and is extremely well known by the people who live in and around Long Island.

2. The IRS has facilities in and around Long Island. The closest to montauk being Riverhead, about 2 hours away.

3. Referring to a facility by the name of a town that it is NOT in makes no sense. For example, what if I said the Los Angeles facility but was referring to an office in Sacramento? Makes no sense.

This isn't a case of referring to the Riverhead facility as "the east end site" or some other less confusing name. No, he said Montauk, meaning montauk. Then he gave the exit he used to get there. He was off by 19 exits, adding several hours to an already long trip. Then he said he was referring to a different facility that the IRS employees refer to as "the montauk facility"

backtracking, raking leaves over the hole, covering tracks.

the mistake is there and there's no way to cleanly cover it at this point.

Originally posted by ShadowEyes
Have you ever been the subject of a mind wipe? One that was so well done that it took years for just some of the memories to start coming back?

If I was, I don't recall. I guess it worked if it did happen.

Originally posted by ShadowEyes
And if it was coming back in pieces, do you think that perhaps what was still missing might just cause a bit of a jumble, at least for awhile?
Or do you think eveything would just come back all at once? Could you even be sure about that?

Having never experienced a mind wipe and subsequent recall, at least not to my knowledge, I cannot say how things would work. I do know that if I were to have fuzzy, vague memories of things I would research the things I recall to death before posting them on a message board, attesting to the facts. I most certainly would have looked at a map.

Originally posted by ShadowEyes
Or is it that you do not believe in abductions or mind wipes to begin with and therefore nothing anyone had to say to you would satisfy you?

I believe in abductions, earthly and alient. Mind wipes? A possibility. What would satisfy me is when the folks that come to these boards looking to have some fun, which includes me, that they would not knowingly post information that they claim is 100% true and then have issues in the story that make absolutely no sense. When questioned, I'd like to see these members behave in a manner not reminiscent of a cornered animal, lashing out at the disbeliever, not using profanity, calling names etc. A little Joe Friday, stick to the facts ma'am would be nice.

TD, OTD let me toss this in here, I am not saying you guys do this, or that you are alone when you do (TD has a temper, we've learned). It's an ATS universal issue that I don't like. Not singling you out alone.

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Originally posted by ShadowEyes
If you do not believe in such things then are you the type who went to an unfamiliar place years ago, but yet remember every road, exit and address you encountered while you where there?

I am the type of person who, if I was in an unfamiliar place, wouldn't act as if I not only knew the name, but also the driving directions.

That said, if you read back, TD and OTD were adamant about the Montauk Facility being in Montauk, even after I posted the IRS website's NY office listing, which doesn't even show an office in any town or city in the state of New York that begins with the letter M. Later, after his attempt at driving directions also failed miserably did he decide to claim that the fine folks who work at the IRS refer to this facility off exit 52 as "The Montuak Facility."

This one aspect of his story has a rotting fish smell.

Originally posted by ShadowEyes
No offense, just curious.

None taken.

TD, your story is real. I am behind you 100%. I know you have a personality, that you're a real human being, but that doesn't diminish what I see as a real, credible story. Rock on!!

Artic, how's it goin'?

You said,

I too, long for freedom, not just my own, but all our freedom.

Me too, my friend, me too.

Your questions are more TD questions, so I'll let him answer.

You asked re: volunteering,

When can I start?

You've just signed up. Welcome aboard! You'll receive your honorary badge in the mail. Kidding. You will, however, be getting a for real u2u (or email if you wish to send me that) when the time comes. This can be anywhere between today,Thursday, March 22, 2007, to 2011/2012.

Shadow, thank you for your support. I think some see the Montauk issue as a misunderstanding, and some see it as a lie. I prefer the former, but anyone can decide for themselves.

It's an issue I don't want to spend more time debating, because we are not here to prove a story of abduction, etc., but to simply get a message out. Proving TD's story is secondary to what we're doing. That's not good enough for some people and that's fine.

we need to move on. I recognize Crackuer's position and I disagree. I don't want to distract from what we're trying to do; not to discount anyone's point of view on this, but we have more important things, in my mind, to get to.

Mman19, you asked,

"Does war have one causality?" (NOTE: not "Casulty", but "causality."

I understand what you meant here. The fact that you asked the question shows you have a sense of what the answer may be. What do you think?

What would you consider a singular causality? A person? A group? A single act of aggression?

Off of the top of my head I don't have an answer for this. Maybe TD does. I would start by stating the obvious, and that is that "people" start wars.You need a government to direct a military to attack an opposing force. So you have the officials calling the shots.

So who or what influenced the officials/government? What was it that influenced the people who influenced the decision makers? Was it greed? Fear? Anger?

Move further into, let's say one individual, who influenced the decision makers. If you find fear, greed, anger - whatever motivation - in that individual where does that motivation come from?

It's almost like the butterfly that flaps its wings and causes a tornado on the other side of the planet. I'm using this analogy loosely, but if you really investigate and trace each step backward, you get a better idea of how these things come into being.

With that individual, or group of individuals who urged an attack, where did their motivation to create a war stem from? Were any of these individuals manipulated psychically? Are they just poor decision makers?

Do they live a paranoid, loveless existence? Did they have a bad childhood? It's very complex. It's not always easy to say George W. started the war. But he is certainly the mouthpiece for our government, so our eyes fall on him.

Those are some of my thoughts on the matter...

You also asked,

And, "something you could expect from a video game wehsite, What are video games like 20 years from today?"

You can't imagine. TD can tell you as well, but he's shared a lot of what he's seen.

First, video games actually become a virtual reality. TD said he saw people actually hooked up to an intravenous nutrient apparatus just so they could spend more time in this virtual reality. In this reality you can fly and create anything you can imagine. It's a whole new ball game.

He also says there are plenty of real, physical activities that you can engage in on this planet and others. He mentions a flying game similar to Quidditch in the Harry Potter movies, and even says his friends in his life right now pack up and travel to that distant future after the mass landing. TD remembers visiting his friends at a time that they're playing this game, and he takes part.

There's so much that is going to happen that will blow your mind that descriptions fail.

Originally posted by OnTheDeck
I recognize Crackuer's position and I disagree. I don't want to distract from what we're trying to do; not to discount anyone's point of view on this, but we have more important things, in my mind, to get to.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

by the way, it's Crakeur.


I do have a question for you OTD.

You seem to do the bulk of the answering for the TD questions. You have an incredibly vast knowledge of his experiences and his repsonses seem rather short and less detailed. It almost seems as if you had the experience. Your knowledge of all of his life is astounding. His own knowledge and recall comes across as if he doesn't have the time line in front of him or the "facts" as you've posted them, in front of him.

Why is this? Why does it seem as though you've written this about him without giving him the script so that he can discuss it?

I'm not talking about grammar or diction but the story itself. You seem to answer all the questions with details that only he would know and he answers with these more broad, open ended responses.

Gosh....what a great day.

It is great to live with a positive outlook.....since I have quit reading certain posts. It is tough to deny that crakeur has all of the answers he needs.

For me the journey only started when I came to ATS in Nov 06. I had no idea what any of this was about. Earlier, I even called Titor a he. I have had weird experiences all of my life, but none more weird than what went on the summer of 2005. That is what brought me here.

Now I have found other people who are talking about the things that I saw in 2005. These are things that I believe are in store for the entire world in the near future. I don't need to prove anything to anyone, because it is not me doing these things. I am only a carbon imprint in the big picture.

If you think that one person will have some type of stature after this is over, you might be one of the people that may not be around anymore. That is why this will come to be and needs to be put in place. There will be no such thing as one person being more important than another.

Domination wil become a thing of the past. People won't be so ignorant towards others and people will be on the same page, because there will always be full disclosure on every issue. There will be no more hidden agendas.

Is that what people need to defend, the status quoe of hidden agendas?

There is a better way on the horizon. We can get there with or without certain people. Guess what? It is not us people that will be doing things for ourselves, oh, we will be a part of it, but we wont be the only ones involved.

There will be others that have traveled from all parts of the Universe to help us out of those deep ruts we seem to be stuck in. We will take our proper place in the Galactic community. There is nobody here on this planet (good bad or ugly) that change things. This will become our new reality.

We will all be able to travel where ever we desire and explore things that have been hidden from us. What would it be like to unlock the secrets of the universe? We are going to find out.

Originally posted by win 52
Earlier, I even called Titor a he.

Oddly enough, you believe that story and TD has claimed to have met titor. If you search around this site, you'll find that one of our members uncovered the truth behind the hoax, including the perpetrators.


Still want to talk about meeting her TD?