Abortion Destroys the Image of God

Originally posted by GreatTech
why is it illegal to consume certain drugs, drive drunk, or be drunk in public?

So now you're talking about the law? Well abortion is legal. Case closed. If legal = OK and illegal = Not Ok, then abortion is OK.

What if it's nobody's business what an embryo/fetus does with his or her body?

What?

I am Pro-Life because:

1. Everyone deserves the chance to live, including those whom some would deem "unwanted" or "disposable".
2. Children do not ask to be concieved. They come about through the parents actions, therefore it is thier responsibility to take care of the life that they caused to be there.
3. You do not have the right to destoy life no matter whos body it is in.
4. Giving the baby up for adoption is just as easy and it doesnt result in a death!!
5. I believe abortion is murder, plain and simple.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
So now you're talking about the law? Well abortion is legal. Case closed. If legal = OK and illegal = Not Ok, then abortion is OK.

Some would argue that it's a very bad (wrong) law.
In fact, many around here argue that our government is corrupt...
Corruption.

What if it's nobody's business what an embryo/fetus does with his or her body?

He's saying a fetus has rights too, since it is a newly formed human.

Originally posted by rocknroll
Some would argue that it's a very bad (wrong) law.

Oh, I know. I'm just saying there's a difference between the law and personal morality. Seeing as how this started with an embryo looking like God, I figure we're discussing the moral side of the issue.

Originally posted by rocknroll
He's saying a fetus has rights too, since it is a newly formed human.

If you want to discuss abortion and the law, we can. As regards the law, show me where it states that an embryo or fetus has the same legal rights as human beings.

And while we're at it, please show me where a woman's medical condition is up for public view and/or vote.

The problem with these discussions is that people blur the line between morality and law. You cannot legislate morality. It just doesn't work.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
...If you want to discuss abortion and the law, we can. As regards the law, show me where it states that an embryo or fetus has the same legal rights as human beings.

Honestly, I think it's a moral issue. You're ending a freshly conceived human's life.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
And while we're at it, please show me where a woman's medical condition is up for public view and/or vote.......
.......The problem with these discussions is that people blur the line between morality and law...

Well, unfortunately abortion IS a blurred issue, because we're talking about ending something's life. God and Law come into play because whether everyone agrees or not a conceived life is brought to an end. Killed. Silenced forever. After the moment of conception it becomes a living being unto itself in it's mothers womb....we know this because he/she grows in the womb for 9 months, women have babies and this is how me and you got here. You could have been an abortion. I could have been an abortion. But luckily our Mom's decided to not abort us. They gave us life.

I don't think a woman's medical condition is up for vote. I never said anything about amending current laws. What I personally believe (morally) is that it is murder. Legally murder is against the law. Hence, the conundrum. I do believe in the end it will be an issue you will have to deal with in respect to God (when you meet Him).

Personally, if I was a woman, I would not have the conscience to have an abortion, because I would always look back and think, "What would he/she be like today?"
And if you're a women and you don't want to get pregnant, don't screw. It's a proven fact it prevents pregnancy. It's simple as that. Take the responsibility to not get pregnant.

You know, it's funny, when a married couple get pregnant, the woman finds out, "I'm pregnant". She tells her husband and family and everyone says, "She's gonna have a baby." And the fetus has just been conceived. Everyone recognizes it as a new life coming into their midst. Yet, it's interesting how when an abortion comes up no one looks at it this way. We make up this excuse it's a yet-human-thing that can be "easily disposed of". We humans and our excuses...

Unfortunately, there are many, many, different circumstances involving abortion. Raped women, diseased fetuses, etc. I think it's always been a moral law whether to abort or not.....there you go, "moral law"........definitely a blurred issue. Woman have been aborting since the dawn of man. Like alot of things this is one God can sort out in the end......if you decide to abort, the blood is on your hands.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
The problem with these discussions is that people blur the line between morality and law. You cannot legislate morality. It just doesn't work.

Morality is already partly legislated, except in areas like abortion, nuclear weapons... Morality, the distinction between right and wrong, is already partly imbued in the law, which is the opinions and interpretations of legislative and judicial bodies. Law without morality would not exist, but morality will always exist, even independent of the law. A legislator or judge cannot make an effective law without any clear perception of right and wrong. Unfortunately, many legislators and judges have been misquided and errant in morality towards the most important moral issues: those that deal with life or death of human life. As such, abortion and the existence of nuclear weapons continue to exist. It is a complete failure of what could be a just and godlike legal system.

We are only here today because our parents did not do everything that was "legal."

Originally posted by rocknroll
And if you're a women and you don't want to get pregnant, don't screw. It's a proven fact it prevents pregnancy. .

LOL!! WOW I love this quote.
Hey rocknroll I knew we would find some common ground somewhere

I couldnt agree more here, it all comes down to one thing: PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!. It seems our society of late is really lacking in this attribute. If you dont want children, birth control is free at the health department nearest you and so are condoms. If you cant get there -dont have sex.

Granted I would never expect a woman to carry a child that is going to kill her but with modern medicine, these cases are VERY rare. I dont think we need an abortion clinic on every corner to take care of those unfortunate circumstances.

Here's the solution, plain and simple, women need to stop spreading their legs to every guy they see, then this wouldn't be an issue in the first place.

Originally posted by kokoro
I am Pro-Life because:

1. Everyone deserves the chance to live, including those whom some would deem "unwanted" or "disposable".
2. Children do not ask to be concieved. They come about through the parents actions, therefore it is thier responsibility to take care of the life that they caused to be there.
3. You do not have the right to destoy life no matter whos body it is in.
4. Giving the baby up for adoption is just as easy and it doesnt result in a death!!
5. I believe abortion is murder, plain and simple.

i AM pro choice because
I MADE THAT CHOICE

I had to make a choice
I choiced what I choiced

because of my baby boy #1
#2 because of my mother (because a grandmother was next for her not a mother again!)
And I was 15 years old.
And not a whore and not a bad kid
or anything bad at all
but i loved a boy who had no dad around
and a mom halfway and a sweet aunt mary halfway
and still he needed me and he is my oldest friend

but we were kids
having a kid
i didn't consult him
i made my decision but
purposefully denied to self
even though i knew the moment i conceived (yes even at 15 because I loved Randy and knew)
past 6 months so i could give birth to it

but i am adopted and had a good life
my parents were/are the best
i knew he would be okay too
so i gave him up

i don't know what was best - time will tell
i suspect perhaps he died when i left the hospital that day
i fed him but i left him there
and the good people were coming for him
but i didn't ever really feel him in the world.

BUT unless you have made that choice
DON'T JUDGE
unless it is in favor to the one in the dilemna.

I won't judge and I've been there!
My best friend made a different choice
and she doesn't judge either
and she had a baby who didn't live to a year
because of birth defects

KARMA?

I don't know!

doesn't matter - it is her lesson and i don't ask.
she is a natural mom and has 4 kids (ruby gone)...the baby she didn't have was not her first, either

anyway
didn't mean to 'go off' on you like that but
i felt it was worth saying because it is true

take it or leave it there and find another more compatible with yours
just don't try to make someone else's compatible with yours.

god bless you

Queen, I'm sorry but I did not understand your post one bit, are you pro-life or not?

Originally posted by thehumbleone
Here's the solution, plain and simple, women need to stop spreading their legs to every guy they see, then this wouldn't be an issue in the first place.

If you are male, then i hope you realize you have just married your right hand.

literally
name it and write her name on your palm



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MORALITY is a personal issue
when families come back strong we will not have to dither over such things
until then - we must make things safe and available and free of ANY prying eye - medical care IS confidential 100% of the time. NO exceptions.
Make it no different than anything else - and make BC and education even more natural and plentiful for their sakes and it will take care of itself over time.

Self government only can take place without overzealous legislation. We are of age now - we must take the next step in our world!

Originally posted by queenannie38

Originally posted by thehumbleone
Here's the solution, plain and simple, women need to stop spreading their legs to every guy they see, then this wouldn't be an issue in the first place.

If you are male, then i hope you realize you have just married your right hand.

literally
name it and write her name on your palm

--------------------------

MORALITY is a personal issue
when families come back strong we will not have to dither over such things
until then - we must make things safe and available and free of ANY prying eye - medical care IS confidential 100% of the time. NO exceptions.
Make it no different than anything else - and make BC and education even more natural and plentiful for their sakes and it will take care of itself over time.

Self government only can take place without overzealous legislation. We are of age now - we must take the next step in our world!

I love my right hand, It can really make a banana dance.

Originally posted by thehumbleone
Queen, I'm sorry but I did not understand your post one bit, are you pro-life or not?

You will find the answer on the very first line under the quote.

The rest is reasons why.

Queen, I dont take offense, thank you for sharing your story first of all. What really struck me was that your number one reason for the choice you made was for your baby boy. I can absolutely respect the fact that you have a unique perspective on the situtation. I think maybe you assume that I have not been exposed to this kind of dilema but I have. Two of my best friends were pregnant in high school. I know all too well the problems that they faced because I was right there with them. I also had a friend who had abortion a few years later. I can tell you that now she wishes that she had not, she will always wonder "what if" and lives with the guilt everyday of her life.

I am not some cold unfeeling person wagging my finger in judgement. I wish no woman had to be in this situation, that is why I raised the issue about birth control in a previous post. My main problem with abortion is the fact that is is used so much and the fact that the pro-choice higher ups deny that a fetus is a baby. They use terminology that takes all the humanity out of it and reduce it to some cold medical removal of a "parasite".

[edit on 23-1-2007 by kokoro]

i hope you didn't feel offended at my strong words

i didn't aim them anywhere except out into the public ear

i don't know when a baby's life 'officially' begins...it is a hard question.

my personal current truth is that the first gasp of air (as in god breathing life into the baby) jump starts the heart's 'spark plug' which then fires up and the cord is cut and the baby starts pumping blood on its own.

i truly feel, that, from what both the bible says and what i learned as a nurse, that true material sentience begins when the baby becomes a 'living soul' and that is the moment the air starts up their motor.

i'll have to ask god for sure, though. but really that is not the issue

the issue is that WE MUST not judge these things.

WE CAN NOT

we have no right and it is exactly that sort of thing that has this world such a mess!

no matter what the division or difference - our main problem is being able to mind our own business long enough to figure out that WE EACH own OUR own souls...free will is mine and yours and all souls 'here' or waiting 'there.'

WE MAKE our own choices - and sometimes we choose to come back and be aborted, no doubt. it is not a problem when we are 'nude' on the other side waiting to return as a babe...we know, over there, that life is totally independent of our flesh! But we forget before we die and return most of the time.

It is still our biggest problem, though.
Fear
Fear of dying.

It never happened!

Originally posted by thehumbleone
…women need to stop spreading their legs to every guy they see, then this wouldn't be an issue…

You have got to be kidding. So if a woman gets pregnant it’s all her fault? No responsibility rests with the man? Why not say, “Men need to keep their penises in their pants and stop trying to screw every woman they see, then this wouldn’t be an issue.”

Pick one story and stick to it. If pregnancy is a women's responsibility only, then you have no business attempting to tell a woman what to do with that pregnancy.
If men do have some say in this matter, then stop blaming the problem on women only.

Originally posted by GreatTech
It is a complete failure of what could be a just and godlike legal system.

The problem is that you see your GOD as the only one. That is, you appear to believe that your concept of what GOD wants is the only possible concept. I am thankful to live in a country where not all of our laws are made according to your spirituality.

Originally posted by wellwhatnow
You have got to be kidding. So if a woman gets pregnant it’s all her fault? No responsibility rests with the man? Why not say, “Men need to keep their penises in their pants and stop trying to screw every woman they see, then this wouldn’t be an issue.”

Actually, it takes two to tango...
but all a woman has to do is "JUST SAY NO".

It shouldn't be a case of having to say 'no.'

Men know the answer. We hate to say no because we LOVE you but not always sexually. Sometimes it is better. But having to say no makes things weird.

be patient
they will ask YOU if they want YOU
or they will flash you or kiss you or grab you
whatever it is
YOU know YOU will know
it's in your DNA

Men say yes most of the time
women say no sometimes 99 out of 100 times...but there is always that ONE time they say yes
one unforgettable instance borne of a whole hearted willing yes is worth 99 no's, isn't it?

and i mean non verbal yes and no
take our word for it
we love you regardless
and we can handle anything as long as it is the truth

flavor flav says 'keep it real'

This is largely dependent on the belief system of the woman and is really no business of anyone else.

If some people believe that abortion destroys the image of God then that is good and fine for them. That is their belief system and they must respect that others do not share the same religious views.

To abort, or not to has no religious significance for some and is therefore a
moral dilemma that one must struggle with personally.

No disrespect intended

Originally posted by resistancia
To abort, or not to has no religious significance for some and is therefore a
moral dilemma that one must struggle with personally.

Well, if it's a moral dilemma that one must "struggle with" then that should tell you something about abortion.