If Satan Has Eternal Life, Do You?

Definition of Satan: the quintessential evil whose power is supernatural and exceeds that of human beings.

Under this definition, human beings cannot match the evil of Satan, so guess what? If God is Great, which He is, and Satan lives forever, so will you and live above Satan because you are not as evil!!! My experiences with Satan and his crimes, debauchery, and evil visions are not pleasant. But personally, I believe he will live forever because he is part of God's plan. You are also part of God's eternal plan. Welcome to ETERNAL LIFE FOR EVERYBODY!!!

The only risk for eternal life might be trying to outcompete Satan for evil.

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." Jeremiah 1:5

Listen to and Follow the Infinitely Great God Constantly!!!

God Bless!!!

Originally posted by GreatTech
If Satan Has Eternal Life, Do You?

Everybody lives forever. It's where you live forever that matters.

Originally posted by WiseSheep

Originally posted by GreatTech
If Satan Has Eternal Life, Do You?

Everybody lives forever. It's where you live forever that matters.

WiseSheep, are you assuming that where you enter (Heaven or Hell) is where you will stay for eternity? If so, isn't there a type of person that might oscillate between living in Beverly Hills, CA and living homeless 20 times? Might some in the afterlife oscillate between being corrigible and incorrigible?

What is the fate of animals and plants in the afterlife? I believe they are granted Eternal Life as well. I cannot prove it scientifically, just a Spiritual belief of mine.

Originally posted by GreatTech
Definition of Satan: the quintessential evil whose power is supernatural and exceeds that of human beings.

GT - there is just ONE power that exceeds. God's.

'Satan' is the side of God we don't like because we don't like having to face our own misdeeds which we do because we are unable to judge rightly. And Satan judges rightly and we hate that. He's right!
'Jesus' is the part of God we do like. But we don't listen to Jesus to the point of putting it into action. So then 'Satan' arrives.

But Satan is not a name.
Lucifer is a name (light-bringer)
Michael is a name (who is like God?)

The dragon fought against Michael. Cast Lucifer down and so tada! Light in the world! Let there be light!

Under this definition, human beings cannot match the evil of Satan, so guess what? If God is Great, which He is,

Indeed true you cannot match that level of evil - we're talking EVIL GENIUS. Sheer brilliance. Especially at disguise.

and Satan lives forever, so will you and live above Satan because you are not as evil!!!

What does that have to do with it? Longevity has no relationship to how one ranks in 'evil.' Either you are mortal or immortal. We are all human. There is no 'evil' in 'heaven' and no 'good' in 'hell.'

My experiences with Satan and his crimes, debauchery, and evil visions are not pleasant.

Satan's crimes?
Or some other mortal's crimes?
GT's crimes?

Satan is not at fault when we err. He can't learn from our mistakes and neither can we if we don't count them as our own.

But personally, I believe he will live forever because he is part of God's plan. You are also part of God's eternal plan. Welcome to ETERNAL LIFE FOR EVERYBODY!!!

Plenty to go around! No limits! No qualification process other than individual correspondence school. No instant approvals! No financing! 100% anti-racial, anti-segregation, anti-anticonstitutional!
Guaranteed by GOD!

The only risk for eternal life might be trying to outcompete Satan for evil.

GT, there isn't any risk for any of us...the risks have been overcome already for us. However - we can get there sooner or later. Later is our own doing - and is solely dependent upon our own ability to open our minds to all possibilities.

To travel along near to God's speed is to believe all is possible and expect nothing at all.

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." Jeremiah 1:5

Yes I do.

Listen to and Follow the Infinitely Great God Constantly!!!

You'd better listen to Satan, too - if he comes around. If he does - God sent him. You can bet on it. I'm not saying 'obey him' or anything like that. Just listen to him - he needs friends just like Jesus does!

No one likes to be alone and no one IS alone. Not any of us. Our life is not a 'loan' either. Guaranteed.

Originally posted by GreatTech
Might some in the afterlife oscillate between being corrigible and incorrigible?

Those of us the LORD chooses will be forever with him after this. I feel safer stating it that way because of the fact that there will be some that he will say "Away from me, I never knew you." to.

Originally posted by GreatTech
What is the fate of animals and plants in the afterlife?

Don't know about plants, but beast according to Enoch have souls and will be present on Judgment Day to accuse man. The Pharisees tend to block out Enoch, but one of his prophecies is in Psalms and the other quoted by Jude.

Originally posted by GreatTech
are you assuming that where you enter (Heaven or Hell) is where you will stay for eternity?

yes. That is exactly it. You will be in heaven or hell for the rest of eternity. Forever. Unending.

I don't understand why people are surprised at this. I thought everyone of the judeo/christian belief system ALREADY knew this.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by GreatTech
are you assuming that where you enter (Heaven or Hell) is where you will stay for eternity?

yes. That is exactly it. You will be in heaven or hell for the rest of eternity. Forever. Unending.

I don't understand why people are surprised at this. I thought everyone of the judeo/christian belief system ALREADY knew this.

How do you explain the cyclical Heavenly feelings and cyclical Hellish feelings on earth? How do you explain a Beverly Hills man who became homeless and then returned to Beverly Hills? I believe there is no permanent residence in the afterlife. I would say with 100% certainty in terms of Heavenly and Hellish feelings which are cyclical: there are Hellish feelings in Heaven and Heavenly feelings in Hell. Although one might have permanent residence in Heaven or Hell, this does not eliminate the cyclical Heavenly and Hellish feelings in both.

Originally posted by GreatTech
How do you explain the cyclical Heavenly feelings and cyclical Hellish feelings on earth?

Our human nature leads us all into sin at some time or another.
Our lives are a constant struggle between good and bad.
Hopefully, sometime before we check out we'll have learned to choose good (Heavenly feelings).

Originally posted by GreatTech
there are Hellish feelings in Heaven and Heavenly feelings in Hell.

As far as Hellish feelings in Heaven, God would not tolerate this.
It is quite possible to enter heaven, and sin, and be cast into Hell.
Raise Hell in Heaven and your sure to be cast out.
Lucifer was an angel in heaven who sinned, and look where that got him.
Those who are cast into Hell will never be rescued by God and taken into Heaven.
God has no pity on the souls of the damned down in Hell.

[edit on 21-1-2007 by rocknroll]

God has NO pity?

Do you mean compassion or empathy?

God is not cold.

Nice topic for discussion.

Originally posted by GreatTech
Definition of Satan: the quintessential evil whose power is supernatural and exceeds that of human beings.

I think this may be a part of the deception myself. Satan would like us to believe his power exceeds ours, yet his power does not exceed God's, and God favors humanity more than the angels, so the legends concerning the war in heaven say ...

Why would Satan be jealous of humans if our power was inferior to his?
Perhaps his influence to create illusions is greater, perhaps.


Your intro caused me to ponder a thing. GreatTech, you do inspire ....

What is God's assigned task for Satan? Certainly God created Satan and Satan must exist for a reason????

just a thought.

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Certainly God created Satan and Satan must exist for a reason????

God created a good angel who turned bad of his own accord.....
Read up...this is what happened.....
www.injil.org...

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[edit on 21-1-2007 by goose]

How can one be sure that that is the path one must take?

Originally posted by rocknroll

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Certainly God created Satan and Satan must exist for a reason????

God created a good angel who turned bad of his own accord.....
Read up...this is what happened.....
www.injil.org...

I'm good thanks.

Besides, he could not have turned bad of his own accord.

Angels did not have free will, that is why they were jealous of us.

[edit on 21-1-2007 by Esoteric Teacher]

Perhaps the power he thought he had was held in the belief that he DID have free will...thinking that what he had done had been of his own power and will?

Perhaps being immortal for sooooooo long in a world whose corporeal manifestations come and go, come and go...new again without knowing themselves yet recognized by him...maybe he began to think there was no other but him?

Then he encountered evidence that THERE was another force - a greater force - a force not afraid to let its sparkles go forth with true free will on their own.

Perhaps he realized that force was greater than he because these sparkles never forgot the reason for their own life as he had forgotten his?

And he knew this because the sparkles knew what he knew - the sparkles had been re-granted eternal knowledge (for eternal knowledge is the elixir of eternal life) but not by him! Not by him but by the one that they returned to - not out of seduction or duress but out of love! And innocent blind trust.

LOVE IS BLIND. Love is light and needs a small shadow which can see to led it out of the larger shadow's hulking menace. But the large shadow is even blinder than the light until it sees the light and realizes there is something else beside the valley of shadows...

'If you love something, set it free. If it comes back it is yours. If it doesn't, then it never was. But the birds weren't divided in the offering - just the mammals!'

Originally posted by queenannie38
God has NO pity?

Do you mean compassion or empathy?

God is not cold.

Annie,I am afraid you are wasting your breath. "Churchgoers" have been indoctrinated into believing in a control tactic based on fear. The god that most so called "christians" are worshipping is not the loving,forgiving God that you and I worship. It's not.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Annie,I am afraid you are wasting your breath. "Churchgoers" have been indoctrinated into believing in a control tactic based on fear.

Well, you and I know that; however they do not realize that fear is controlling them. And since I do know and am not controlled by fear but rather stand upon the power of love, I can't give up the fight.

'Fear' no longer blindly runs the world - but just like in any country where the despot is deposed after a very long reign...old energies remain as ghosts in the minds of the people. My ghost is holy and it is LOVE - and no longer a ghost but ALIVE and leading the final battle wherein no casualties will be lost.
Regained is the watchword of the 'hour.'

The god that most so called "christians" are worshipping is not the loving,forgiving God that you and I worship. It's not.

Yes. And I thank you for your wisdom, my brother. But there truly IS but ONE God...and God IS love...how will anyone know unless it is revealed to them through the manifestation of His character?

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Annie,I am afraid you are wasting your breath. "Churchgoers" have been indoctrinated into believing in a control tactic based on fear. The god that most so called "christians" are worshipping is not the loving,forgiving God that you and I worship. It's not.

SpeakerofTruth, I consider "fear" to be a positive trait as it has the quality of perfecting oneself; one cannot perfect oneself unless he or she suffers the pain, trials, and tribulations of life. No pain, no gain. One was not automatically born into Heaven; one must obtain a certain level of perfection to live with the Infinitely Perfect God.

Fear of a serial murderer that lives next door is a rational response. The fear that one exhibits to such a person might be God's way of telling you that you should help that person with his or her life.

The wisdom that one can obtain from fear is limitless.

Fear along with faith, hope, charity, and a host of other virtues is an instrument for growing into the likeness of God and living with Him in His Heavenly abode.

I fear God because of His Infinite Love and Infinite Perfection, and I love God with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength!!!

[edit on 22-1-2007 by GreatTech]

Originally posted by GreatTech
SpeakerofTruth, I consider "fear" to be a positive trait as it has the quality of perfecting oneself; one cannot perfect oneself unless he or she suffers the pain, trials, and tribulations of life. No pain, no gain. One was not automatically born into Heaven; one must obtain a certain level of perfection to live with the Infinitely Perfect God.

Infinitely wise, GT!

But guess who 'fear' is?

God is truth and that's why God is the Most High. But you know, Christ is King of Kings at the right hand of God and Christ (as our LORD) is LOVE. That is why Christ is 2nd in command...because the only thing greater than love is truth. But love is a comfortable place to pause and rest until mature enough to handle 'truth.' Because truth is both light and dark. And so most people fear God. The angels, then, have their own dominions, both + and - because there must be balance between polarities. FEAR is the highest prince of darkness. But of course, light overcomes darkness and that is why perfect LOVE casts out FEAR. Perfect love enables the soul to approach the throne of the most high without fear or trepidation. That is why Christ is the
WAY.

Fear of a serial murderer that lives next door is a rational response. The fear that one exhibits to such a person might be God's way of telling you that you should help that person with his or her life.

Incredibly wise, again, GT! I didn't quote the following two paragraphs for the sake of forum courtesy, but your words shine with a brilliance that is the brightest: truth. Nobly serving with your mouth...but with words that come from God! Bless you.

I fear God because of His Infinite Love and Infinite Perfection, and I love God with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength!!!

Indeed you do - that always shows in your innocent but beautiful way of consistently praising God sincerely - those are your words, not God's, but they honor His name fully! And I love you all the more because of both!

Originally posted by queenannie38

Yes. And I thank you for your wisdom, my brother. But there truly IS but ONE God...and God IS love...how will anyone know unless it is revealed to them through the manifestation of His character?

Very true. It is also important for folks to know that Christians are well intentioned. I feign to think what the world would be without them.. The world is already a mess.... While I do criticze Christianity much;I must concede that there are many good people within Christianity and they are,like the rest of us, trying to see around much deceit...