The Two Americas

This quote was taken off a website concering Thomas Costello and the dulce base that alledgedly exists beneath dulce, NM. I want to focus on this part of his tesimony about the 'two americas' that exist. Here is the source site

A Dulce Base Security Officer Speaks Out

Although unelected/appointed 'individuals' working within the Executive-Military-Industrial branch of 'government' might choose to do so of their own volition without Congressional or Senatorial consent, such an act cannot apply to the 'America' which is based on the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. There are apparently two 'nations' occupying the United States, the traditional grass-roots 'America' established by the founding fathers and led by the 'Electorate' government, and the fascist Bavarian-lodge-backed 'underground nation' led by the 'Corporate' government which is contesting the original 'America' on its own soil.

What do you think? Are we living in 'two americas'? The argument could be made. I would like to focus on the quote from Thomas Costello here, but if one wishes to stray a little bit that is OK. Well, what do you think?

Yes, it is reasonable to say there are two Americas: the elites and the useless feeders.

Apologies to John Edwards... 2 Americas is his schtick. I guess if you factor in his two Americas, we would have 4 Americas! His two include the poverty stricken feeder faction and the more well-off. When the stuff hits the fan, tho, those more well-off will also fall into poverty. Their well-offedness is more illusionary than they realize.

This is not what i was posting about. John Edwards is talking about an economic status (rich and poor) his two americas are just seperate by social class. This is what im talking about.The two 'nations' occupying the United States, the traditional grass-roots 'America' established by the founding fathers and led by the 'Electorate' government, and the fascist Bavarian-lodge-backed 'underground nation' led by the 'Corporate' government which is contesting the original 'America' on its own soil. Sounds correct to me

Like I said....

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Yes, it is reasonable to say there are two Americas: the elites and the useless feeders.

I lived in Dulce NM for once, year, lived in a teacherage, people in the area DO think something is up if you can get them to talk, the Apaches are VERY racist towards others not just white people. A few people I talked to who had been there for over ten years all remark on the times when the "men in black" would show up and walk their streets for a few days then dissapear again. One time they said something crashed in their mountains then the military was spotted not a day later flying planes out at night, they could hear them, apparently from what they descibe sound like the larger B42 like planes, 2 or 4 props.
In my area I have spotted the military flying around and there is not ONE BASE within 300+ miles FACT, unless they do not mention it... I know this from looking at the heli design and looking it up online, no way they could go that far without having a base closeby. The best part is they are all black or unmarked OD color.

This is another quote taken from thomas costello...

Some predict an inevitable civil [?] war between the Electorate/Constitutional/Surface government of the U.S., and the joint humanoid-reptiloid Corporate/National-Global Socialist/Underground New World Order government, which incidentally was bought and paid for by American taxpayers and other unsavory money-making projects. This war will apparently provoke an armed United Nations / New World Order invasion of the U.S.A. which, according to George Washington's famous 'vision' at Valley Forge in 1777, will ultimately end with an American victory as a result of Divine Intervention. Something like this may be inevitable if FREEDOM is to be preserved on this world, and beyond. We should never forget however that the NWO corporate elite and their draconian masters intend to 'depopulate' the surface of this planet AND the underground systems as well

Could you give me a link for "George Washingtons Grand Vision at Valley Forge in 1777?" I would like to read that one, as for the rest of the statement, too late, the NWO already has the government of the USA, they only need to cement it now. The UN is a bunch of beurocrats, NATO too, so they will probably sit back and do zilch like they have for the past 6 years unless it is something foolish like offering to send an inspector to a nation that is gutted from being bombed heavily.
None the less a confrontation between the NWO, and those who simply want a UNITED Earth through peace and justice not an iron fist are GOING to have a showdown, and it will probably be here since it started here for the most part, part happened in Europe, the rest in the USA. Pray that the NWO looses along with their lackeys so that the old classic of "let freedom ring" song be used to sum up what will happen next.

Originally posted by Vekar
Could you give me a link for "George Washingtons Grand Vision at Valley Forge in 1777?" I would like to read that one, as for the rest of the statement,

Here ya go

George Washintons Vision at valley forge 1777

Originally posted by capsitan
This is another quote taken from thomas costello...

Some predict an inevitable civil [?] war between the Electorate/Constitutional/Surface government of the U.S., and the joint humanoid-reptiloid Corporate/National-Global Socialist/Underground New World Order government, which incidentally was bought and paid for by American taxpayers and other unsavory money-making projects. This war will apparently provoke an armed United Nations / New World Order invasion of the U.S.A. which, according to George Washington's famous 'vision' at Valley Forge in 1777, will ultimately end with an American victory as a result of Divine Intervention. Something like this may be inevitable if FREEDOM is to be preserved on this world, and beyond. We should never forget however that the NWO corporate elite and their draconian masters intend to 'depopulate' the surface of this planet AND the underground systems as well

I don't buy into all that. Its some pretty heady conspiracy stuff, there.

As for spotting military aircrafts (without a nearby installation - in a previous post), its not unusual. Bases are usually pretty spread out and aircraft fly from base to base, from state to state depending on the mission/training. We get tons of flyover all over the Carolinas b/c of the various bases (Pope, NC; Shaw, Columbia, SC; Marines, N.C.; USAF & Navy in Charleston, SC).

I think it is incorrect to say the U.S. will have another civil war. If anything, it will be a Revolutionary war (patriots vs. whatever power entity moves to crush the constitution & dissent).

Peace
ECK

Yeah i dont think that there will be a civil war either, but there is some truth to the fact that are are two 'countries' or 'nations' occupying the same landmass. One is based on the original representative republic, while the other (which is growing swiftly is a corporate run fascist state, ever looked on the back of a dime, that is the fasci or fascio, a bundle of sticks with an axe at the top, also they have two fasci in the house of representatives on the sides of the chair where the speaker sits




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Interesting story, the George Washington one that is, however I find it rather fictional I find a little truth in it in how things could turn out, civil war. NOW AS TO THE OTHER TWO, by that I mean a civil war is by text book definition a war between 2 factions in the same nation. As I have said on another topic which was geared SOLELY at civil war/revolution I explained it like this:
When the first fighting breaks out it will be a revolution, it shall remain a revolution untill the revolutionaries declare themselves a nation and are fighting against the corrupt nation: USA. Then it will become a civil war, also I use the word CIVIL WAR because it is more to the point in my case, seeing as how pacifists say there is already a second "American Revolution" yet it accomplishes NOTHING. I say civil war people KNOW I am talking about armed conflict, that is why I use it on here.
I strongly believe in a second Revolution, not the "peacefull" kind the pacifists talk about but an armed conflict. However since some are unable to comprehend that as I have said I use the word civil war. Right now we DO have 2 sides, one which wants freedom and liberty, and one which takes it away and offers a VERY fascist nation in return. Will both sides have a clash? Absolutely! If there is NOT a conflict, then the fascists will take total control and this nation will forever be a fascist nation.
Ever since corporations came about, there has been a nation within a nation, and now they are trying to take over and are using political parties as a front.

Originally posted by capsitan
Yeah i dont think that there will be a civil war either, but there is some truth to the fact that are are two 'countries' or 'nations' occupying the same landmass.

This is what we call the shadow government.

Power elites who fall under this protective net include elder statesmen, government officials, the administration, Supreme Court, Federal judges, corporate leaders, high ranking military personnel and selected members of the media.

In the event of a nuclear war or some other major catastrophe, these people and family members would be ushered into underground compounds designed for such an event. Some compounds equal the size a modest American town.

I agree with you both, but wouldnt the 'shadow government' be part of the corporate-fascist part of america? Or the same thing, since i believe they work hand in hand, with the illuminati, i believe that most in the senate are working with and for the corporatists, and some of the house of reps is working for to preserve the traditional america. As far as armed conflict, it could happen, i dont believe that we should do it, but it might need to happen, I think as soon as we declared 'independence' we werent really independent in its true sense of the word. If either of you know about secret societies and the illuminati. youll know that the true seat of power concering the U.S. (and most of the world) hails from the 'city' of london and the vatican. Also, what do you guys think about NESARA? you guys might find this other post of mine interesting....

N.E.S.A.R.A. thread

A little known fact is the huge hand the vatican had in causing the Yugoslavian war, they are a true shadow group. Only time will tell as to what will happen and HOW. However in order for the world let alone the USA to be free: They ALL have to go and I mean ALL of them. Then we have to stomp out any attempts to rebuild such groups for all time and teach people why we must fight them tooth and nail and never back off for any reason any less we give them a foothold in our society once again. Then the process repeats itself...

Originally posted by capsitan
I agree with you both, but wouldnt the 'shadow government' be part of the corporate-fascist part of america?

The shadow government is the corporate/government/fascist entity.

Fascism is the consolidation of the state and corporate realm. That's what we have today. We do not truly live in a representative Democracy anymore. We live under a plutocracy. Its just very subtle. Most do not understand the way in which the vast majority of us (ants marching) are controlled. Its economic slavery. I used the term useless feeders earlier. That is what the economically enslaved are known as by the elites.

yeah agree 100%, do you think that we need a physical/armed rebellion/revolution, how are we going to take OUR country back?? If you are into prophecy, then 2012 will be a great time. Ever heard of the under ground bases and all the planning into making sure that the elites have a place to go when the sh** hits the fan in 2012. I dont know what will happen, but quarintine will end. Will you please read this article?

Dulce Officer speaks out, ALL should read this

This concerins everthing on the thread, i have some excerpts from it on top, its about a dulce officer that excaped, his name is thomas costello, when he spoke out and blew the whistle about the ducle base that exists underground in NM, the gov either kidnapped his wife and child, and he has disappeard. Very good read

Yes, I foresee armed Revolution coming to our shores in the not-so-distant future. I believe in the Christian prophecies (not to sound like a flake). I can see things lining up on the horizon like I've never seen in my life (energy wars; genocides; unexplainable cataclysmic weather; epidemics).

I foresee our economy collapsing, which will throw our nation back into its darkest ages. When China and the rest dump the dollar for the Euro, we're toast. And that shadow government will react accordingly.

This is when I see the Revolution coming into play. America henceforth will be probably be a third world-like country under the wing of mother Britain. How ironic, eh?

I will read your link. Thx for the info.

We are born into a prison without bars in the current economic system, i dont think that we can 'win' with an armed revolution though, although it maybe necesarry to protect yourself, i think that the paradigm needs to be changed first, that is, somehow take away the total centralization of power, or to make sure that the people that have the power are compassionate. Its all about compassion in my book. And of course the people that are ruling our world, one of which is henry kissenger, has none of that. I dont even think he is human. Perhaps, reptilian? Just a thought

Well that is an interesting link...... Not going to believe it all though, I can tell you the chances of a Dulce base are high though or one in the area at least just from being there myself as I said. The "reptioloids" as described in the link would be my mortal enemy, arrogant, ego-inflated, and harshly elitist and fascist in nature. I REALLY hope they do not live under the Earth, could cause WW3 if they were found and pulled half of the stuff they "do" in the link. The #1 way of starting a war is to call someone a subspecies in the way black people were called that during slavery. Call someone that and you have a good chance of getting killed or hunted for the rest of your life, it would be 500 or more times worse if an "alien" called a human that.
Makes me wonder about the tales the Native Americans tell about skinwalkers which are supposed to be VERY evil lizard men who go about murdering humans for unknown reasons.

Back on subject:
Armed revolution is always an option, not always the best, armed revolution happens when you have a government entitity that DOES NOT CARE what the public says or does. If the public opposes what they do, they give the public the finger and keep going, if the public goes to the streets, the cops beat them up, shoot them and arrest them, or gas them like they HAVE been doing. When you have a government like this, revolution is a more logical choice, because unless something MAJOR happens, your going to have the same thing going on and on. History will repeat itself.
They have no interest in making the USA a third world country, they just want to keep it poor and subdued, they do this with economic factors like OUTSOURCING for one. As for the dollar, it stands from oil only, nothing else. Now that nations are going to EURO to deal with oil, well that is self explanatory, just look at what ECK said. However, the dollar will remain somewhat "strong" due to weapons exports, if Germany wants some guns, the USA is the one to talk too, China wants an attack helicopter, they have to talk to the USA. The whole WORLD has to see the USA for weapons one way or another, after all we are the masters of destruction.
Right now China is the new "key" when it comes to the NWO, no one knows who they will go with, who truely controls them. If you look at some of the things going on you might say they support the NWO, then again maybe not. Things will get "bad" and FAST should China support the NWO, and if they do not, they will model themselves their OWN NWO and go for it. Either way their government is not helping things only making things worse.
Cap, you cannot "win" a revolution because it is only PART of the equation, you WIN by doing exactly what you set out to do, if you wanted to overthrow the US government and return it BACK to what it was in a way, and you did exactly that, that is 2/4's of the equation, the other 2/4's are: MAINTAINING IT, and PRACTICING what you PREACH, that would mean do not let things go back to the way they were and start another revolution, and uphold the laws and bills you fought for. Now you have WON the revolution.
Looking around the world, a few nations have done this, but not all. The civil war was MASSIVE success from the corporate standpoint but a FAILURE from the people perspective, why? Well we started to dig our own grave after the civil war, and never knew it. Corporations began to take power FASTER after the civil war, and here we are today, A LOT of good came out of it: no slavery (outright) and more rights for blacks but it came at a price, the loss of our freedoms over 100 years later. Actually you could say the blacks were never truely "freed" untill Martin Luther King came along, THEN things REALLY turned around for them.
There is very little hope of things changing now, it is all beurocracy and lies, they want you to go vote because they know it does not matter, it only makes you feel good for a few days or hours. Right now the reason a second american revolution sounds possible is because they are beginging to use foreign armies to control areas in the USA more and more, the NWO is more than people ever expected. The USA is a LAUNCH POINT but not THE point, there are two points, one in the USA and one in Europe and maybe a third in Asia if you push it. Germans have air bases in the USA, Mexico permitted to move an army into the USA after Katrina that did notthing but terrorize southern Texans, China is claimed to have a nice little army in the western USA. So really maybe the hubub about the Euro is nothing but corporations getting mad at the NWO yet they still support it. Let me explain that one:
Let us say they base themselves in Britain for safety, 2000+ miles between a rebelious nation and themselves seems somewhat safer. Well they have a new WORLD DOLLAR the Euro to use, at the expense of a key player: the USA. Well this works nicely for them, the USA is now poor and cannot fight back, but can still fork out a high tech army even if it has a hard as heck time fighting anything other than a designated army. Corporations have to sacrifice part of their income because they HAVE to change to the Euro, so yes they are perterbed, after all they are not THE officers of the NWO club, just some low ranking ones, the front. However, once they have done this, then they have even MORE power, once again people trade in the new "world" currency that benefits the elites and now all the key players have one choice: follow or fight.
Maybe the NWO is NOT working around the Euro, who knows, I cannot WAIT to see the answer though. Nor can I wait to see what they will do next, I guess you could say we are all in some science fiction theater movie and are sitting back watching all heck break loose and are sitting on the edge of our chairs eagerly going: "Whats next? Whats next?" just as the curtians fall saying: "To be continued."
I want the madness to end soon, otherwise it will get worse and last longer, ok I will give an atomic atom sized amount of hope that the next elections will change things, 0.01 to the google plex of 0's power amount (infinite, cannot find the 1 in the equation because it is too small). I have no faith in politicians, only leaders, and I see no leaders running.
Last remark for now, saying this again: I REALLY hope those "reptiloids" do NOT exist on planet earth, that will just muck things up BAD should a revolution

start in the USA to counter what is going on not only here but around the world. Just pray doing so will muck up their plans and cause a tempory collapse of their system so we have a chance on a global scale. Otherwise we face one LONG and BLOODY war.