"How can someone prove to you they have time traveled?"

andy1033, thank you!

You said,

do not think anything suggested so far, would get people to believe you were a time traveller.

Aside from taking a guy into the device, we haven't met our requirement yet, which is how one person can offer proof that he has time traveled to a large number of people.

We need to take our current system into account, including government, military and media "blockers", and to find a way around that.

What about using celebrities, or famous people (musicians?) to get the message out? Is that even a possibility? Dan Akroyd is promoting something right now that he finds credible (ufos and ETs), but has this proven anything to people? Just a question...

onthedeck, I am willing to be that you could walk into any news office and get someone to listen to your story. They have to. What if you turned down the story and then, a day later it pops up on every other news channel and you turn out to be the moron who said no to the biggest story ever.

There is a very easy way to prove that someone is a time traveller. All that one needs to do is tell what is going to happen in the future, in detail.

You said,

IE on timeline A the BEARS win the superbowl, on timeline B New England wins, and timeline C might not even know what football is.

You're getting into the subject of different timelines...

I should make clear that for the sake of this thread, we are on one world timeline, and this person has time traveling capability.

Without taking all of the effects and ramifications into account, quite simply, how does this person prove to everyone else he has time traveled?

You gave a suggestion,

Only if the traveler is able to bring something back that is absolutely impossible in our timeline ie. a ray gun that turns water into wine or something like that.

So you say if he travels to the future and brings back technology from the future that would prove to you he traveled to your future to get it?

If someone handed a "ray gun" (or futuristic device) are you sure you would say "this guy traveled to the future"? Or would you think he was pulling your leg?

Maybe it would be enough for you...What about magic tricks? David Copperfield? Could this be faked? Something to think about...

But once you are convinced, how do you then convince a thousand others? Would the government take this gun if they found out about it?

This "proof" or "evidence" must be presented to our society right now, and proving things like this is a lot harder on a large scale. Plenty of people have been convinced of ufos/ETs, but on an individual level.

The revelation of this technology by one person will be very hard with our current social and government structure. It's important to take these things into consideration.

Thank you, netobrev, for responding! Hope this thread keeps you interested. If you have a revelation please post it though. Thanks, again!

andy1033, you said, correctly,

you would never get a chance to prove it works, you have one chance to show the whole world, and then your gone.

This needs to be taken into account. Of course, it might not be immediately, but as soon as you start getting credibility the clock is ticking.

You also said,

time travel is something they would never allow for a lay person, far to dangerous.

As far as our government is concerned, absolutely. However, in the greater scheme of things the U.S. government doesn't hold much sway. In fact, very little. Something they would never admit.

You asked,

how would you even get the story out before they get you? [continued] also being the fact you would be only human, that means there would be plenty of ways of getting to you, in this world you cannot keep secrets anymore, if they(the government) want them.

This is one of our concerns. Actually, it could be the biggest outside of getting the information out itself.

You also said,

remember what ever prove you have hardly anyone would believe you, unless proved to them time and time again, people take alot of convincing.

This may or may not be true if we can think of a forceful enough way to prove this...

andy1033, you're thinking through this with regard to our current social structure, and that's what we're really up against, so thank you.

Great points!! Should get people thinking...

I understand exactly what you're saying here,

Not sure how someone ELSE could prove they travelled through time, but I proved to myself that I never would.

You are saying that with your eagerness to experience these things now (which I share), that you would, at a point in the future when you had access to this technology, travel back on a date of your current self's choosing, leave evidence that he/you were there.

You have to consider that there may be reasons that might not have occurred to you.

At the very least you have to consider that you were either not allowed - at that future date - to do this, or decided at that time that, not returning to "this particular time" was the best choice (or simply the choice he/you made at that time).

Perhaps there are reasons that you have not experienced "proof" as yet.

And the fact that you mention 1999 means that you have been pursuing truths for a long time - as have I. I have continued unabated, but at times have been terribly discouraged.

But things are getting interesting, and I think things are going to change. I would say to hang on, but I'm not good at predictions...

Thank you very much for posting! I hope you see your proof in spades, although I know what disappointment does to you...

Thanks, Hank!! Peace!

Originally posted by johnlear
If you create a strong gravitational force around yourself or your vehicle time would slow down or come nearly to a stop for YOU. But for those outside the gravitational source, time would flow as normal. When you turned off your gravitational source, time would start flowing again but you would be flowing along in the time that had always been flowing since you turned on your gravitational source.

Going back in time is infinately more difficult but it can be done. We can 'see' back in time much easier than we can travel back in time.

So how would we 'see' back in time using this method? The concept of gravitational forces in relation to stopping time is interesting.

So if you were in the time machine you wouldn't age, but everything else outside would. But what would things be like when you came out? Would you just come out into the same world but in the future, because a lot of things have happened in the world but you don't feel like any time has passed?


Also I can't comprehend the concept of going backwards in time, if anyone feels like trying to explain how it would work? Because as I see it, if something has happened it has happened: e.g. A dinosaur has died thousands of years ago and the atoms/energy that made up his decayed body have all dispersed. How does me sitting in a gravitational force, or travelling faster than light (whichever theory you follow) cause the dinosaurs body to reincarnate and appear again? (along with the rest of the world)

I can believe how if you were travelling faster than light then your wristwatch (and things inside your craft) would slow down to the point where it might stop, but I don't see how things on the outside of the craft would go backwards. I'm not trying to discount the idea, I think I just need it explaining.

Cheers

i think john is trying to get an answer from the bob lazar and john titor things. interesting, but most of us do not have any way of making a gravitational force that he is talking about.

if time goes round in circles, would you not eventually come back to where you were, originally. maybe thats one way of getting backwards.

malganis, you said,

But really, if time travel was destined to ever exist, don't you think we would know by now? Because someone in the future would have come back to say the year 2000 and proved it or at least made an official claim?

I would agree with you here, but things don't always work that way.

In fact, what if technology existed right now - in the hands of whoever - that could "detect" time travel technology and either locate and "block" it, or could locate and commandeer it?

We have to accept that if time travel technology exists, something like this also exists.

We should also understand that time travel technology would be of limited use in, say, the middle ages, for a number of reasons.

First, it would simply appear as a magic device and would not advance a society much there. This is just a knee-jerk reaction, but if you time traveled to the middle ages what would be your purpose?

You could try to manufacture an advanced technology then, but what a Herculean task that would be. They wouldn't have fiberoptics, chipsets, steel manufacturers, atomic clocks, engineers, etc. - why would you bother? There's also no realiable, real-time, worldwide communication system like the internet, etc. How would information travel?

And even if we could provide that technology, would you want to bother educating the masses who were still superstitious, etc.? Or would you even be killed by then by the society who thought you were a demon, etc.?

The same with the last thousand years or more.

But now, NOW, we have the means to not only utilize this technology, but understand it and use blueprints from the future to build technology to better our society/culture NOW.

So to me, I see this as a ripe time to come out with this technology, not only that, but the whole enchilada - everything.

But, BUT, there is the very real chance that these efforts would be recognized and blocked by parties not wanting this to happen. Because of that we have a difficult situation in getting this information out and proving it to the society at large...

But it's possible...And we're trying to figure out how...

Finally, you said,

Or maybe there is time travel in the future but there's some reason why they don't want to let us in the present know about it. Probably because the state the world is in at the moment, it would start a world war to get hold of the technology.

I think I gave a fairly good response for this above, but I think just because we haven't been shown, or given this technology yet, doesn't mean it won't happen tomorrow...


malganis, keep the hope! And realize that you may actually be surprised how things turn...

Thank you for your post!!

[edit on 19-1-2007 by OnTheDeck]

Other than the typical "predict the future" as an answer, I would have to say that they need to bring in a newspaper showing the gains and loses for the stock market. If in a day or so, all hundreds of stocks end up being what the paper says, then without a doubt, they're from the future.

You're citing a fictional case of time travel. A lot of people take fictional accounts of time travel as being based in fact, when at the very most, some are based loosely on scientific theory.

In any case, the main point here is "how do you prove that you have time traveled to a large number of people?"

I may open a thread on the effects of time travel, but want to keep this on track.

I mentioned before that just appearing at a time other than your own does not necessarily "tear the fabric of reality", cause the universe to explode, or inflict other large scale damage.

The ripple is small. The effect has been compared to the limited effect you have walking around the world right now...How affected is Florida by your presence?

Confederacy, please keep posting! If you can think of how to prove this to a large number of people please post your ideas...

Thank you!!

I think my idea would work as mentioned on pg 4 and also it doesnt have to be 1 person you prove it too. if you can get yourself in a room with 100 people for an hour like a office, wine bar etc etc then even better

OTD

lol
i think this thread is moving to fast for you.

i bet your fingers are buring up the keyboard

Ho, man, you just don't know!!!!

I am trying!!! LOL

I am responding to every post. Hope you'll notice the limited typos too...hehe

I'm really happy to see the responses!! It's a good, legitimate question...

Thanks, JSR, I jumped the line to respond to yours, but I've been thinking, "How am I doing this?!"

Back to page 3...LOL

Crakeur, you're right here,

going back in time and photographing historical figures wouldn't be definitive proof because of the look alike factor.

The entire scene that you photographed could easily be set up now - the photo could be entirely CGI, or manipulated...Wouldn't work...

You followed that,

if you went back in time, etched a message in stone, say "crakeur was here, 01/19/13000000 bce" and then took the media to the location and said carbon date this please, you'd have your proof.

Could that be faked? It would take a geologist, or paleontologist to say for sure, but for an average guy looking at it, he could probably be fooled, but he could still think, "You just etched that and found some technique to make it look aged..."

If that proof would convince someone else that you traveled to the stone age, then we'll take a closer look, but that was a cool suggestion!!!

Thanks, Crakeur! Keep 'em coming.

Originally posted by OnTheDeck

I don't know if a "history text" as you said, is out of the question...I think it would need to be a part of the revelation, but may not stand on its own as absolute proof.

My issue with altering the future with the information gained from a history book was that one little thing could change the entire course of history.

Certain people and events would never happen and for all we know in doing so this time traveler could 'undo' himself.

Bringing a future history book back seems rather out of the question because altering the future course of events would be a catostrophic and earth changing event...even something as small as one person and his loved ones going through a stock crash rich instead of poor.

Speaking of time traveling, I realize I'm behind, but I'm catching up with the thread...

andy1033, you brought up an excellent point that I also touched on briefly in another response,

he said that the government may have satelittes to detect such a break in reality or gravity shift or something, that the certain energy involved in the process would be detectable, from space by satelittes.

Believe it or not, the government, or black projects - what have you, probably has this sort of technology. This is the first I'd heard of this in the media, but there you go.

This means that you, the time traveler, have your work cut out for you. You could be "blocked" from even appearing in our time, you could be detected if you did travel here, and you could be quickly removed if you aren't careful...

So our disclosure will have to be very persuasive, fast, and/or we have to be protected from the "powers that be".

You said it in your next paragraph,

so we would never know if someone had created some time device, but because of the energy used, it would be detecable, and the nsa or something would be round your place asap, to pick you up.

I would take this information seriously with regard to our question, because there are plenty of people that wouldn't want you using this technology - or at least letting that information out.

You responded to Crakeur's post about etching in the old rock,

Crakeur - people question carbon dating, you see you will never be able to get everyone to believe, not without showing equipment on tv, doing the time thing and coming back to them, which is something that would never be alllowed.

I agree that was an interesting idea, but it could be debunked.

Are we getting anywhere? Can it be proven to a large number of people? I think it can, but we haven't figured it out yet...

Thank you, andy1033!!! I'm getting carpal tunnel LOL

Mechanic 32, you said,

I don't think time travel is possible. At least to the past. The reason for this, is that it would be impossible to go back let's say one year in time.

How do you know it's impossible - I mean beyond any reasonable doubt, totally impossible to travel into the past?

You also said,

If it were possible, that theoretically I would be able to meet myself.

Yes, you would.

You said,

Now suppose I did meet my past self, and did'nt like him and killed him. Since I am still me, and the only me, I would be dead, and could not be here in the future to travel back in time to kill myself, because I would already be dead by my future self's hand.

This particular thread isn't addressing the effects of time travel, or whether or not it's possible, but just how you would prove to people that you actually time traveled.

Not that there aren't apparent conundrums with regard to time travel, but if you, Mechanic, had time traveled and wanted to prove that to a large number of people in our current society beyond a reasonable doubt, how would you do that?

Thank you for jumping in!! If you think of how you would prove it to all of us please post your thoughts!

Thanks, Mechanic 32!!!

apex, you said,

I suppose a dinosaur would be better, as we can't have any chance of cloning them like we may be able to a mammoth. Maybe a small one would be best.

I actually read somewhere that a group of scientists were able to reproduce dinosaur DNA from some material they found, I think, in amber or ancient tree sap.

Scientists have found a lot of once living insects, reptiles, etc., from millions of years ago in amber, or tree sap (are they one and the same?), so can you imagine if dinosaur DNA was found this same way if we could clone it? Just a thought...

You also said,

although an accurate prediction/knowledge of a forthcoming natural disaster (probably an earthquake, as they are hardest to predict).

Again, this is predictive and doesn't specifically prove that you time traveled...

Rock on, apex!! I'm for conjuring one of these up...

Dr. Ian Malcolm: God creates dinosaurs. God destroys dinosaurs. God creates man. Man destroys God. Man creates dinosaurs...(Jurassic Park hehe)

Crakeur, OK, was it you, or the caveman on the Geico car insurance commercials? (If you're not from the U.S. this may not be funny...or maybe even if you are...)

Nostradamus' first name was Joe? hehe

OK, back to the boards...