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Originally posted by chao
Suppose some of your satellites are destroyed,your GPS navigation system doesn't function properly,so your nuclear warheads probably will hit the wrong target.
Cheers!
Yes we do, in several ways, we publicly demonstrated this capability in the early 80's. Anyway, we have known this threat for a long time (see Space Pearl Harbor), which is why there are (and have been) several programs underway (quiet ones) to address this problem. Creating several delivery systems to quickly and cheaply launch multiple satellites into orbit on short notice. Creating space based anti-satellite weapons. Ground lasers, and in the future space lasers, kinetic interceptors which can target both nuclear warheads and missiles such as this one in all stages of flight. And finally the creation of several groups to jam and disrupt the satellite communications of enemy states.
Not to mention that shooting down your own satellite which you know the trajectory of, which wont attempt to maneuver or change orbit, which wont deploy any countermeasures and which is probably beaming at you. Is not the same as shooting down US military satellites in a time of war
Originally posted by chao
Suppose some of your satellites are destroyed,your GPS navigation system doesn't function properly,so your nuclear warheads probably will hit the wrong target.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
Originally posted by chao
Suppose some of your satellites are destroyed,your GPS navigation system doesn't function properly,so your nuclear warheads probably will hit the wrong target.
Not quite, as was previously mentioned US strategic nuclear missiles primarily use INS and stellar navigation. They have been using this form of navigation for decades, long before there was such a thing as GPS. In fact they will only use GPS as a backup guidance source. This is because US missiles are suppose to be completely self reliant, needing no external input (except for the target package) which is probably already pre loaded into the missiles guidance computer anyway. You can rest assured that with INS guidance alone a CEP of 100 meters (328 ft) or less is guaranteed.
Also, US nuclear capable cruise missiles such as the Tomahawk, AGM-86, AGM-129, etc.. also use INS, terrain following guidance, DSMAC and datalinks from other platforms.
The US has also been carrying out research on lasers that could knock out enemy satellites and the Bush administration has repeatedly ruled out the idea of a global treaty banning putting weapons in space.
Only last August, President Bush laid out a new US national space policy which said Washington would "preserve its rights, capabilities and freedom of action in space" and "dissuade or deter others from either impeding those rights or developing capabilities intended to do so".
Originally posted by Lucas_1984
America would never attack China or vice versa because there both to powerful, the world's a big place with many weak countries so why risk a massive war?
China in the next 5 years will overtake America's economy and their population is 1.3 billion which out numbers the US more than 5 times.
China now has the biggest Army, Navy and air force in the world, the main thing you should consider is that China's government has total control over its people far more than the US do and if a war was coming and they would tell every man aged 16-50 to join the army etc which would make the biggest army the world has seen.
They soon will be the super power of the world and there's nothing that can be done about that. They produce an amazing amount of graduates from university each year and you can bet that they probably have the world best scientists and a hell of a lot more nukes than they state.
Originally posted by k4rupt
AGAIN, must I repeat AGAIN against the "we can wipe them off the map" ARROGANCE.
You forget, that China has HUNDREDS of Nuclear weapons as well - FULLY CAPABLE of hitting mainland America... Yes, the United States can wipe China off the map, but China can do the EXACT same.
Even though American technology is superior compared to Chinese technology; don't think for ONE SECOND that defeating China would be an easy task. Their technology is decent, their soldiers are well-trained, they have a formidable navy and air force, any fight would most likely occur in Asia (China's backyard), and oh one more thing: AMERICANS HAVE NO WILL TO CONTINUE FIGHTING AGAINST LITTLE INSURGENTS IN IRAQ, DO YOU HONeSTLY BELIEVE THEY WILL TAKE ON A COMPLETELY NEW WAR AGAINST ONE OF THE STRONGEST NATIONS ON EARTH? China would make Iraq, Vietnam, and Korea combined together look like a stroll in the park.
Oh, and here's something interesting from America's East Asian allies including S. Korea, Japan and Australia: www.insightmag.com...
"The overwhelming assessment by Asian officials, diplomats and analysts is that the U.S. military simply cannot defeat China."
I am so SICK AND TIRED of Americans thinking they are invincible and can decimate ANY nation just like that... Again, get a grip on reality... and deny ignorance.
[edit on 19-1-2007 by k4rupt]
Originally posted by k4rupt
AGAIN, must I repeat AGAIN against the "we can wipe them off the map" ARROGANCE.
You forget, that China has HUNDREDS of Nuclear weapons as well - FULLY CAPABLE of hitting mainland America... Yes, the United States can wipe China off the map, but China can do the EXACT same.
Originally posted by k4rupt
Even though American technology is superior compared to Chinese technology; don't think for ONE SECOND that defeating China would be an easy task. Their technology is decent, their soldiers are well-trained, they have a formidable navy and air force, any fight would most likely occur in Asia (China's backyard),
Originally posted by k4rupt
and oh one more thing: AMERICANS HAVE NO WILL TO CONTINUE FIGHTING AGAINST LITTLE INSURGENTS IN IRAQ, DO YOU HONeSTLY BELIEVE THEY WILL TAKE ON A COMPLETELY NEW WAR AGAINST ONE OF THE STRONGEST NATIONS ON EARTH? China would make Iraq, Vietnam, and Korea combined together look like a stroll in the park.
Oh, and here's something interesting from America's East Asian allies including S. Korea, Japan and Australia: www.insightmag.com...
"The overwhelming assessment by Asian officials, diplomats and analysts is that the U.S. military simply cannot defeat China."
I am so SICK AND TIRED of Americans thinking they are invincible and can decimate ANY nation just like that... Again, get a grip on reality... and deny ignorance.
[edit on 19-1-2007 by k4rupt]
However, if china where to attack Taiwan, and in many scenario's I've read, attempt or even succeed in sinking an American Aircraft Carrier then I think you would see major support in America for any war effort. Not only that but you would see support for America all over the world.
We would then reindustrialize our war machine and that would be another boost to our economy. In fact it this would probably help America in the long term. I welcome you though to continue to underestimate America, I infact encourage it.
Originally posted by k4rupt
Hahaha, okay first off, I'm gonna have to stop you RIGHT there. You honestly believe that Americans are willing to send off their sons and daughters to fight CHINA because of Taiwan, a region that has NOTHING to do with America? You honestly believe the American public will support that?
Originally posted by k4rupt
Also, if you read polls conducted by the BBC, the ENTIRE WORLD, places the United States as the second largest threat to global security... only Iran was ranked higher. The ENTIRE WORLD ranked the U.S. invasion of Iraq as the LARGEST THREAT to peace, even higher than that of Iran's nuclear ambitions... And throughout the world, ESPECIALLY IN EUROPE, protests against the United States and it's war efforts IS so astounding, one only needs to turn on the news and know that the U.S. is barely hanging on with support from it's own allies.
Originally posted by k4rupt
And secondly, China said it would not use military force if Taiwan does not formally declare independence AND AT THE SAME TIME, the White House has stated repeatedly that if President Chen (Who has 10% approval rating btw) continues on with his unsupported (even in Taiwan) "independence" provocation, the U.S. would drop all promised support for Taiwan if an invasion did occur.
Originally posted by k4rupt
A war against China would help in the long run? Let me ask you, Iraq has costed the United States how much? And let me ask you another: HOW MUCH DEBT IS THE UNITED STATES IN? (9 Trillion dollars) So how in God's name can a MAJOR WAR, one that would make Iraq look like a strawberry cheesecake, help the United States in any economic, let alone social and political, way. Secondly, no war against two nations WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS can EVER help ANYONE.
Originally posted by k4rupt
Lastly, I DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE the United States... I am merely coutnering the VAST, VAST, VAST underestimation of the PRC... and btw, when I posted that America cannot defeat China, that wasn't my own statement, but that of officials, diplomates, and analysts from AMERICAN EAST ASIAN ALLIES including S. Korea, Japan, and Australia.
Originally posted by JackJuice
China invading Taiwan would only gain about half of American support, I did mention that in the case that China would sink or damage an American Aircraft carrier, did you miss this part or skip it on purpose? In the case that our assests were attacked it would Rally the American people in away not seen in generations.
Polls mean little to nothing, people around the world didnt like us before 9/11 and then there was a large outcry in support for us when that happened. We may have blown that support but most people do remember an oppressive communist regime in Russia and they would support America if we were attacked by China. That might not mean they would goto war with us but there would be support especially from NATO. You forget how fickle people can be.
That was a way for us to force Taiwan to keep the status quo, which I agree with. There is no reason to push for war.
First I did stipulate that this stay conventional, and I did say how devistating a Nuclear war would be. I would also like to mention that a War would help nobody personally. I do think that winning such a war would help America Strategically. If China attacked America it would instantly validate the last fifty years of American Foreign Policy.
I think that you are forgetting that this study from our allies was a political stunt meant to do two things. Allow themselves to justify building up their militaries a bit and to also give us a little push in the back.
I do not underestimate the PRC, that is why I personally am for a slow decline in all trade with China and renewed Isollation of their economy. The buisness could be sent to friendly South American countries to build up their economy and afford us Cheap Labour.
Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
I love how K4rupt posts the same site about a few asian officials saying stuff about a war against China and the US in about 3-4 of the threads. What does that mean exactly? So some South Korean and Japanese people think the US could not win against China. There are officials who say the US can, and that the US has nuclear supremacy. Do I need to post that in every thread too?
So most of the world doesn't like the US because of unpopular wars. So what? Public opinion changes faster than anything. If China invades Taiwan, even if they declare independence, it would turn against Chinese agreesion. Especially when the many dead are shown all over the media.
In any case...China doesn't want to weaponize space for one reason...because the US is so much farther ahead. Let's sign a treaty banning weaponizing space as long as Russia and China are still using ICBM's to knock things out of the sky.