I have Identified the Zionists People as the NWO

In the very holy book of Judiasm... A one world government that will establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15)

Before the time of the moshiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)

The moshiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5) . He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government , both for Jews and gentiles(Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

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[edit on 15/1/2007 by Mirthful Me]

[edit on 15-1-2007 by acctnosam]

Originally posted by acctnosam
He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government , both for Jews and gentiles(Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1).

all passages quoted from www.biblegateway.com..., using NIV version
Isaiah 2:4
He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.
11:10
In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his place of rest will be glorious.

42:1
I will put my Spirit on him and he will bring justice to the nations

Thats not quite the same as 'jews will rule the world'. These are prophecies, not orders. They concern the messiah, a saviour sent from heaven who will liberate the kingdom of israel from occupation. They are not directives for regular jews.

establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

'In those days and at that time I will make a righteous Branch sprout from David's line; he will do what is just and right in the land.

That, at most, says that the messiah will be just. Not that he will establish torah law as the law for everyone. Jews universally agree that the torah and the laws are for jews, they are religious practices for Jews, NOT gentiles.


All jewish prophecy says is that, since israel is occupied by foreign powers (the babylonians), there will be a hero who will come, save them from the occupiers, and bring peace to israel.


And even IF there was a jewish book that said "take over the world, mwahahahahahah", why would that mean that Jews are involved in a conspiracy to rule the world???? Jews are human beings, they have free thought, and don't have to do what some book tells them.

Seriously, havent' the jews suffered enough at this suggestion that they are involved in an evil conspiracy?

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We'll the Zionist's are the one's who want to make this happen. They want to retake the Promised Land. They want to rebuild the temple. They are awaiting a Messiah. Richard Perle is working for Israeli government AND American govt. His strategy plan's written up for Netanyahu say that Saddam must be removed from Iraq. It is clear that Israel influence's Americas foreign policy. America is helping Israel before it is helping itself. The expansion of Israel's influence of America to Canada and New Mexico via the North American Union. What do you think?



Before the time of the moshiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)

The moshiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5) . He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government , both for Jews and gentiles(Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

Originally posted by acctnosam
We'll the Zionist's are the one's who want to make this happen.

Zionists wanted a Jewish State. They got it.

They want to rebuild the temple.

If they did, they'd've rebuilt it by now.

They are awaiting a Messiah.

Zionism explicitly rejects the idea that the Messiah has to come in order for there to be a jewish state in israel. Many Hasidic jews, for example, reject the modern state of israel, because it is zionist, and was not liberated by any Messiah.

Richard Perle is working for Israeli government AND American govt.

Please elaborate.

It is clear that Israel influence's Americas foreign policy.

Yes.

America is helping Israel before it is helping itself.

How?

The expansion of Israel's influence of America to Canada and New Mexico via the North American Union.

I don't think that there is going to be anything like a North American Union for a very, very long time. I think that it is natural that the US works closely with Israel, a modern, liberal democracy.

An FBI summary of a 1970 wiretap recorded Perle discussing classified information with someone at the Israeli embassy.

Interesting. I wasn't aware of that. It looks like in most other instances, he's operating as an 'independant' advisor to the pentagon, administration, etc.

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Zionist propaganda is the biggest pile of bull# there is.

We forget one thing what is the motive to continue when the jews have a jewish state currently. No motive what so ever. The jewish state is not in the state of growth but one of preservation from the islamist factions that surround it. Think of it logically now. You are running a small country surround by people that want to kill you and your fellow country men, of course your going to pull for support from other countries and use any leverage at your disposal to get it so that you can get as much political and economic leverage on your enemy otherwise what's to stop them from just invading. Well pretty much nothing. You really do have to read your history and know what your talking about. The jews always lived in the holy land but increase in numbers during the times of anti-semitism. In 1929 when the land was under british rull the hebron massacre which was push by islamist preachers and so the real push for a separate state started then. I would want my own state too if the ones rulling wanted me dead. Why can the islamist leave the Israeleze alone. I am amazed how patient Israel is when it comes to the islamist or should I say Jordanians. There are muslim and jews that live side by side in Jerusalem with no problem. They chose to be separate from Israel because they want a secular state under islamic law. PS They do not want to live with the infidel.

When Isral enters war with whoever, is that when we should spring up our ears so to speak?

In the words of Martin Luther King:

"When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews, You are talking anti-Semitism."
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Enough said.

Do you're own research once again before shooting down my theory. All war's start because of religious differences. The fact that Muslims aka Palestinians control much of the holy land especially the site where the Jews intend to build the 3rd temple it is only just that the Jew's use their economic power and military might to drive the muslims out of the Holy land, reclaim the site of the third temple and rebuild it so that they can fulfill the prophecy and rebuild the temple that was destroyed during Nero's times.

THE TEMPLE OF JERUSALEM

Even as the Jewish people were crossing the Sinai desert, out of the bondage of Egypt on their way to the Promised Land, G-d said: "Build me a Temple and I shall dwell amongst you." (Exodus 25:2)

Ever since those days, the Temple of Jerusalem has been the soul of the spiritual and national existence of the Jewish People. The Temple was the center of the royal authority of the Davidic and Hasmonean dynasties. It was the high point of all religious ceremony and the seat of the High Priest. Its Chamber of Hewn Stone was the convening place of the SANHEDRIN, the legislative and judicial authority of the Nation.

Twice the Temple was destroyed and the Jewish People dispersed, yet the Spirit of the Temple in all its implications sustained them through their bitter exile.

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This very idea of questioning Israel's act's as anti semetic, or even suggesting that they are the cause of the worlds problems being antisemetic is plain racism on the jews' part. # martin luther king. There was no internet during his time, he only knew what he heard. The fact is Israel itself is a illegal state created very recently a few years ago during the 1900's. They have been illegally occupying and expanding Israel everyday, building settlements, provoking violence in order to retaliate with their mighty army, they also lobby the American government because they know America's military might will benefit their cause. If you're gonna say I'm wrong you're Anti-Muslim and your Anti-Americans

Originally posted by Simulacra
In the words of Martin Luther King:

"When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews, You are talking anti-Semitism."
en.wikiquote.org...

Enough said.

Perhaps Mr. King had never heard about the Christian Zionists, or the Catholic Zionists.

What would an observer become if he criticized Zionists for actions of violence against other Semitic persons? Would the observer be anti-Semitic? Is the Jews against Zionism Movement also anti-Semitic?

Mr. Kings statement is an oversimplification.

When John Titor (whoever that guy was) posted on a couple of forums for a couple of months afew years ago claiming to be from 2038, he described what sounded just like an ideal Jewish state.

I am a Christian-Zionist, i think. Am I part of the NWO?

Mind you, I've found out recently that I was related to a very wealthy Conservative MP that was the Lord Admiral for a while

Originally posted by acctnosam
All war's start because of religious differences.

No they don't. Here's examples:
-American Civil war
-World War I
-Anglo Boer War
-Vietnam

... need I say more?

Originally posted by The_unraveller
[-Vietnam

... need I say more?

Vietnam was very much a "religious" war.... The Buddhists were being persecuted in Vietnam at one point.... The only difference is that it wasn't the usual suspects,namely Muslims and "christians," that perpetrated the war.

The people don't start wars, the 'government' do, planned long before they happen. We are soon going to have a war on our hands involving China or the Islamic Middle East or both and there probably won't be anything we will do about it, if they get their way, over half, perhaps two thirds of the Earthly population will be 'dead' and the ones still alive will be much more controlled because they will be down to a 'bitesize' number, it takes so much effort constantly for these secret societies to keep the blindfold on people, but they won't have their work cutout anymore after 2012.

ADC, I am going to be honest with you, I don't think it's secret societies that are causing most of the problems. Most of the problems are caused by institutions that are blatantly in your face... The reason we don't see it is because we would rather blame some "dark,secretive,mysterious" group rather than the culprits who are in the light of day.

What type of institutions do you mean?

Originally posted by adc
What type of institutions do you mean?

ADC, well, just about all of your big corporation,for one... Religion cannot be taken out of the equation... I mean, where do you want me to start. The conspiracy runs so deep...Yet, to those who choose to look for culprits other than where they actually are,it runs deeper than it should in reality...

What I mean is, it's easy to point fingers at so-called "secret" societies... because,well, they are secret... However, the truth is, the real culprits are right in front of you...Laughing as we go about our merry way speculating about who is behind it all, rarely naming the true culprits.

One of the biggest fallacies that I see is this "Let's blame Masonry" ideology that is going around. First of all, for anyone who has studied Freemasonry, they know it's not really "secret" at all. Everything that Masons believe has been revealed through the writings of Duncan,Hall and Pike. Some will say, "Well, what about the higher degrees?" Masonry, at least to my knowledge does not go beyond the 33rd degree... It too has been written about extensively... Yet, supposedly there is this great "secretive" conspiracy that Masons are involved in..


I tell you what you do, any Mason that was involved with a dirty group...as there are some, I guarantee you you will find Muslims,Christians,Hindus, et cetere involved with these same groups. Are we to assume that all of these institutions are also involved in some global conspiracy because a few of its members are dealing in shady activities? I mean, where does it stop?

Nah, the culprits aren't hiding in some "occult" secret society. The culprits are right in your face and they are involved in your churches, synagogues, book clubs, whatever... They are people who probably have no more knowledge, save political, that your average Joe Shmole does..

Almost... one step higher than the Zionists, is the Jesuits.