I’m coming clean on Extraterrestrials

sleeper does it make you sad that you are so aware of your surroundings so to speak?? would you rather be ignorant like the rest of us?

Originally posted by tommyknockers
We can put together a band of ATS’ers and call our selves The Miltons.
What do ya think?

I think that's a great idea. If you need a second guitar, i'm here.

Other than that Ets are not just cool they are mindblowing cool

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Hi Sleeper,

about three weeks before christmas i had a sudden and inexplicable urge
to find out all i could about ET's and UFO's.

I found out about you after listening to a John Lear interview on C2C. I
have read this thread, the "nose on your face" thread, and your blog. They
are all amazing and interesting and just blew me away!-they all ring true
to me.

I would like to thank you for giving me a few more pieces of this infinite
jigsaw puzzle.

I don't know if you'll ever ever return to ATS, but for what it's worth i'll
ask my question:

Do ET's have emotions or are emotions only human traits? Do they laugh,
cry, etc? Can they empathize with humans if they themselves have never
been human?

Thank you for your patience, time, dedication, humour and above all
integrity!!

ps a special thank you to John Lear too

I believe you. Entirely. And I would not have believed you had you not mentioned certain forms of light travel that I had theorized using a new technology called a Gravity Pulse Generator. Which uses EM fields to generate a pulse of gravito-kinetic energy. This is a REAL piece of technology that was developed by a man named Dr. Evgeny Podkletnov. The pulse is very powerful and tears through brick walls like a sword through paper. And it travels at 63 or 64c Meaning, 63 or 64 times the speed of light.

I will provide the URL so anyone can read the PDF compilation of this mans work. Then you can come to your own conclusion people. I, for one, am on his side.

www.americanantigravity.com/documents/Podkletnov-Interview.pdf

Sleeper where are you come back buddy!!!..........

I just can't help the feeling that Sleeper is gone. I have had many friends in my life, but never have I felt so bad about parting with one before.

If Sleeper is gone I can totally see why and I don't think its silly.

Aside from support from Mr. Lear who I have great respect for and who ever help keep this thread where it belongs, Sleeper has had an up hill battle on this site. Its almost painful to see how the mods on this site just let Sleeper get ridiculed and slandered by foolish statements from people and I don't mean in any way shape or form people who disagreed with Sleeper or even thought he pulling our leg.

I mean people like MRPENNY who were just out to get Sleeper to shut Sleeper up to trash him for no reason other than to do it.

Sleeper had to fight off every monster that came his way wail the mods turned a blind eye to them but kept the other making sure Sleeper played by every rule in the book.

And countless threads later one of them being the biggest on the net, a mod got fed up and decided to hit Sleeper below the belt with a warning. Hell I would leave too.....

Sleeper has had a long tiring job and all to wake my double-damned butt up to help me, you, America, the World. To give us hope. To bring prosperity. To make us fearless!!

And he did it in the lions den. Because that's what this site is all about Fear its not about deaning ignorance its about fear and blaming others for what we have brought upon our selves.

Sleeper is a genius and I miss the guy.

With that being said there is nothing wrong with this site ATS. It is up to me and me alone to see threw the smoke screen of fear and accomplish my dreams with integrity fearless.

So I will follow the rules like Sleeper has for so long and get back on topic.

Sleeper pleas come back,

I believe you sleeper I believe you have contact with an ET we call Milton I really do.

I believe there are wars that are above our heads but we are the ones who decide who wins even if ET"s run the show.

I believe we need to face every moment of every day with integrity and with out hate, envy and ego.

I believe we all make mistakes and we need to forgive all even if they don't deserve it we just need to really truly want to take that step in the right direction.

I believe I have what it takes, my soul will shine, I will be productive and prosperous in my life, I wont blame others or hate them or envy them.

I believe I will put one foot in front of the other until I don't just believe I'll know.

Did Milton the extraterrestrial the one that you speak of in this thread. the one that we have all grown so fond of. Did Milton plan all this?

Enjoy your life Sleeper I wish you and your family the best. I'll see ya on a star.......

Izarith.

Originally posted by Izarith
I mean people like MRPENNY who were just out to get Sleeper to shut Sleeper up to trash him for no reason other than to do it.

Not true. And, not the philosophy or viewpoint that sleeper was attempting to introduce to you. Also, a wild assumption, as you know zip about my motives or intentions. As far as you know, I could be sleeper with a different login, having some fun with myself. I'm not, don't fret.

My intent, stated often and clearly, was to get sleeper to discuss the possibility that some of his dearly held beliefs may not have been entirely accurate or correct. That was impossible......

Sadly, one who attempts to teach, without himself learning or investigating, is not serving the better good.....simply spouting what they know to be "best for you". Has sleeper written anything that could be damaging? Nah, I don't think so. Has sleeper written anything that could be re-interpreted, not accurate, or simply wrong? Absolutely, but attempts to introduce that type of introspection and discussion became Quixotic.

Learning is a two-way street.....I have learned some of my most important lessons from situations and persons that were repugnant, vile, or simply uncaring......and I am the "close-minded" one......

I think very few of sleeper's fans have actually learned from him, judging by the responses my posts get here.

Heck, even if I offer my opinion on the content, without mentioning any names, moderators have been known to pull my entire post.

UPDATE:

I'm in communication with Sleeper via U2U and it's clear that we have a combination of:
1) misunderstanding
2) him being busy with offline items
3) Springer and I being busy with a long list of stuff
4) communications being slowed down by #2 and #3

I suspect we'll have an update shortly. One thing to keep in mind is that he indicated he's recently become very busy with offline items which is making it harder to respond to the rapid-fire questions that often happen in this thread. Perhaps we need to consider how to better accomodate such a situation.

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Right, I am sorry.

What I mean to say with that big fat thumb is, that I appreciate the information SkepticOverlord provided us, nothing more.


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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
rapid-fire questions that often happen in this thread.
Perhaps we need to consider how to better accomodate such a situation.

If the technology exists to pre-screen post to be review by a mod like the old moderated Usenet groups worked years ago it would cut down on repeat and off topic questions.

If the code doesn’t exist for something like that the only other thing I can think of is a FAQ’s but good grief that would be a huge undertaking.

Of course these ideas just shift the time element away from Sleeper and on to some poor volunteer.

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Well thank you Mrpenny for admitting that Sleeper has a good message and that people have a lot to learn from him, even if you feel that his great teaching as you have so kindly stated have gone over my head......

And thank you for also sharing your pint of view towards being vial and mean and how you feel that a person can learn from such actions..........I agree with you for I learn how not to do the same......well thanks to you.

Thanks for being civil with this post Mrpenny your good at it.....you should try it more often.

I have said it once and I'll say it again your the most wonderful most cuddliest person in the world.

But to stay on topic

Mrpenny it never downed on me to ask you this but what exactly do you feel that Sleepers message derived from his ET experience is?.....you know the one that I fail to grasp.

Oh and what are your thoughts on ET?

Originally posted by Izarith
Mrpenny it never downed on me to ask you this but what exactly do you feel that Sleepers message derived from his ET experience is?.....you know the one that I fail to grasp.

Therein lies the irony.....I don't for a minute think sleeper has had any ET experience. Therefore, none of his "message" is derived from any kind of extranormal experience. The flip side is very simple.....what sleeper writes is no more than rehashed advice that has been taught for centuries by philosophers, buddhist priests, and Hindu gurus. Being well-read and somewhat experienced, I'm simply not as impressed with what sleeper says....been there, done that. And I can't for the life of me imagine minds that are just now being exposed to these philosophies.....go to a library, discover just exactly how common these ideas are.....sleeper didn't discover them. I seriously doubt any extraterrestrial beings taught them to him. He had to be visited by ET to learn what Castaneda, Buddha, Jesus Christ, Billy Graham, Martin Luther King, et al......have been telling us all along? sleeper is not the authority on this topic....in fact, his refusal to view any other viewpoint with open eyes....makes a mockery of his "message".

My views on extraterrestrials?........simple, there is probably other life somewhere in the universe.

Edit to add: Sure, people can learn a lot from what sleeper says.....I simply advise that a person not restrict that learning....advance it, massage it, consider it.......but most importantly......question it. Real, tough, probing questions.....and demand answers. Be a thinking human.

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Sr.,

I feel I owe you this site and everyone on it an apology.

I say I have learned allot but Mrpenny could be right about me.

Although I'm sure the mods on this site are very hard workers and have the best intentions for it, I still stand by what I said about them. (not all of them)

But as to what I said about ATS, not only was I speaking out of place but I was acting on anger. I am sorry.

Regardless if Sleeper comes back or not if anyone on this site (yes even Mrpenny) feels that I am being arrogant, I ask only that you remind me of this day.

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Mrpenny,

You are right and that's why this thread has 6000+ posts on it because people question.

Even when I'm at work or in this thing called a library that you speak of or taking a poop and even sleeping I question what Sleeper has to say. Its hard not to when some guy you have never seen or met says he has done what he has done seen what he says he has seen not only that but also has a blue ET that tells him what to do.

But the question that you are not asking yourself Mrpenny is why do we keep coming back?

What the hell has to happen to a person to even think about what Sleeper says as possible?

Have you looked at your soul in a mirror lately?

But what you do is beat a man whose hands are tied and constantly demand money from him without doing any work for it.

Originally posted by Izarith
You are right and that's why this thread has 6000+ posts on it because people question.

Maybe we could go back and pick out some of the real gems? Those along the lines of, "Are the people on Venus just like us?"....or "What does Milton think of John Lear's ideas?".....those aren't verbatim, simply illustrative of the lack of depth and critical thought in the huge majority of questions asked here.

But the question that you are not asking yourself Mrpenny is why do we keep coming back?

Oh, I've asked myself that question often.....why do you keep coming back? Why does one side of the equation refer to skeptics as being "spoon fed" information from "mainstream science", yet, as I see it, many people return here over and over to be "spoon fed" their information. I'm not seeing an exchange of knowledge.....mostly a feeding trough.

Have you looked at your soul in a mirror lately?

Uh no....and I can confidently state that you also have not looked at your soul in a mirror. You, nor I, can even state with any certainty that we actually possess a soul. We can hope. We can wonder about the "ghost in the machine".....but we can't be certain...much less examine our "soul".

But what you do is beat a man whose hands are tied and constantly demand money from him without doing any work for it.

Help me with this one.....what do you mean? You're not being arrogant are you?

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Originally posted by MrPenny
but most importantly......question it. Real, tough, probing questions.....and demand answers. Be a thinking human.

I like probing questions I have had quite a few in the last two years on this board---and they are nothing like the probing abductees get on those alien ships let me tell you----

Concerning integrity one of your favorite accusations against my own integrity.

Can you admit to or tell us how many names or monikers you have used during your many attacks on my threads?

And perhaps even list a few of them---

Now remember there are guides, your guides who are taking notes on your answer, you can hide the truth from us here on ats but you can’t hide it from them---and they frown big time on lies, even little white lies.

Certainly many people believe they get into heaven solely by believing on a certain deity’s name and no other deeds are required.

Anyone who thinks that integrity is not prerequisite to moving into such heavenly quarters is surely mistaken and fooling themselves.

We are judged by our deeds of love, kindness, and most importantly our integrity and without those basic elements, our souls will not move to higher grazing grounds.

So tells us MrPenny, how many other names have you used or hid behind?

Or is this to much of a probing question for you?

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Absolute welcome again Sleeper.
It’s a very good feeling to have you back on your magnificent thread.




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Originally posted by sleeper
So tells us MrPenny, how many other names have you used or hid behind?

Or is this to much of a probing question for you?

Forgive me, but I knew if I started posted in this thread you would return. I regret you must return with a hostile attitude, but so be it....at least you're posting.

I'll bite, but with one caveat.....you realize this is much like the question, "do you still beat your wife?"....whatever I answer, it won't be good enough for you.

When I started at ATS, actually back in early 2006, I had a different account name....."NotClever" whose last visit was May 8, 2006....turned out, the smartasses couldn't resist taking shots at it. So with a moderator's blessing I simply stopped logging it in and started the current account. I have never used another account name at ATS.

I'm really anxiously awaiting your response.

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Mrpenny,

You win buddy..............

I see your point. I understand.

But pleas try to understand that just like there is nothing I can say to you that will make you care, give a damn or even try to give Sleeper a chance (not one to say that he cares or not).

Not one of your in-depth probing questions like "Sleeper do you honestly want me to believe that Milton and Lear know each other and Milton wears a tutu?" will get me to not believe anything Sleeper says no matter how many times you ask that same exact prodding in-depth question.

All I am saying is that the mods on this site should ask you to be civil and by that I mean civil in a non malevolent manner, a non I'm out to get you and destroy you. And I only say that because you have said that was your intentions before in past posts.

You helped trash one of Sleepers threads before, and the mods should have stepped in before you did. But who am I, maybe prevention of abbreviating vulgarity is more important.

That's all my little angel.........

No more after this I'm back on topic. sorry buddy..........

Jesus Christopher Walken!!!

Sleeper's back!!!

As glad as I am to see you back on Sleeper...........umm....um...don't read any of my resent posts....I kind of made a mess of things.....

And if you gonna make like a tree do it on a happy note will ya...

Welcome back man.....

Originally posted by Izarith
All I am saying is that the mods on this site should ask you to be civil and by that I mean civil in a non malevolent manner

Am I not being civil now? If my posts are un-civil....how would you characterize sleeper's last post? What's malevolent about my posts?

Twice you've accused me of intentions and hostility in response to my posts, just on this page. ( Actually, the previous page, didn't realize it was about to increment) What's civil about that?

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