I’m coming clean on Extraterrestrials

Originally posted by intrepid
OK, this thread has degenerated into a bitchfest, one red flag thrown and I have plenty in my bag folks. Let's be civil here.

Which is why the credibility of Sleeper's story has been going the way of the dodo bird. Every time someone asks a question, or makes a statement that contradicts his views, he resorts to name calling and avoidance of the questions.

I hvae asked several questions, as have others, but have yet to receive an answer. Sleeper, please, tell us why you can't obtain evidence if this is ongoing, and explain the inconsistancies in your "stories"

Thanks.

Originally posted by tomra
sleeper, thanks for posting, i enjoy you telling about your experiences as i have done since i first read the "...as real as your nose" thread. Please, don´t quit your daytime job for a silverscreen scriptwriter, there´s a big difference between somthing doable in techniscope and your initial story :-)

Although...seeing "Superman Returns" proves that anything makes it to the screen.

Again, thanks for coming through sleeper!

Added by edit : Just wanted to clarify, i don´t think it´s a good script for a movie but i am very interested in what sleeper brings to the plate...sort of speak :-)

[edit on 16-1-2007 by tomra]

Thanks tomra

If anything my script should do well---have you seen what’s coming out of Hollywood?---

If you think that red flag is going to stop the "bitchfest", I'm affraid you're wrong.
You've just given an excuse to the people that have been attacking Sleeper even before the blog was up an excuse to go on.
I wonder what you're gonna do now to the people that keep asking for proof or the ones that "bitch" about the meaning of "coming clean" for instance.

Sleeper - Did you ever get to see Mars in your travels? There has been a lot of exploration of Mars in the recent years and it looks fairly inhospitable. In fact, all of the planets in our solar system look inhospitable.

If they are indeed inhabited, how do they escape our probes? Maybe NASA is hiding this from the public.

One more thing, do you know if Atlantis was a REAL place? Do you have any inside information on the Edgar Cayce prediction that it was in the location of the Bahamas and Bimini?

Thanks tomra

If anything my script should do well---have you seen what’s coming out of Hollywood?---

I'll agree with you on that point sleeper. I've been more entertained by your blog and this thread than half the movies I have seen over the last year. I'm always looking for some interesting fiction, thanks for providing it.

Now, before you flame me Sleeper, I believe it's fiction, not trying to push my opinion on anyone else..

Originally posted by Chrysalis
If you think that red flag is going to stop the "bitchfest", I'm affraid you're wrong.
You've just given an excuse to the people that have been attacking Sleeper even before the blog was up an excuse to go on.
I wonder what you're gonna do now to the people that keep asking for proof or the ones that "bitch" about the meaning of "coming clean" for instance.

Asking Sleeper a question about evidence or what he means by "coming clean" is a totally different thing than belittling someone that doesn't agree with you. Surely you must see that?

In my experience, Mods are not quick to hand out warnings. They are a last resort and are for the most part well deserved.

Originally posted by alienarena
Sleeper - Did you ever get to see Mars in your travels? There has been a lot of exploration of Mars in the recent years and it looks fairly inhospitable. In fact, all of the planets in our solar system look inhospitable.

If I did it remains blocked, but I did a flyby

If they are indeed inhabited, how do they escape our probes? Maybe NASA is hiding this from the public.

Our probes only show what those in charge what shown, plus many of the cities on other planet that I have seen can easily be camouflaged

One more thing, do you know if Atlantis was a REAL place? Do you have any inside information on the Edgar Cayce prediction that it was in the location of the Bahamas and Bimini?

Atlantis was real but not located in the Bahamas

Originally posted by sensfan
Sleeper, please, tell us why you can't obtain evidence if this is ongoing, and explain the inconsistancies in your "stories"

Originally posted by sensfan
I believe it's fiction, not trying to push my opinion on anyone else..

Why do you ask for proof if you think it's a fiction ?

Originally posted by Chrysalis

Originally posted by sensfan
Sleeper, please, tell us why you can't obtain evidence if this is ongoing, and explain the inconsistancies in your "stories"

Originally posted by sensfan
I believe it's fiction, not trying to push my opinion on anyone else..

Why do you ask for proof if you think it's a fiction ?

Simply because I WANT to believe, but need proof. Until i see some proof, i will continue to believe this to be a work of fiction.

hmm...so no update posts yet sleeper? only attacks?

what's the word on that 2012..do "milton" and them have anything planned or something for 2012? like we've been hearing like divine intervention and whatnot

Everyone participating in this thread needs to stay ON TOPIC and civil or there will be bannings. Please read ATS Rules on sharing Personal, Paranormal Experiences for what is expected.

If you have nothing to add to the friendly conversation that is happening here but more strident demands for evidence that is not coming, then please just move on.

Springer...

[edit on 17-1-2007 by Quackmaster]

Springer, thanks!

sleeper, although i find the bits and pieces you are talking about very interesting i´m curious about what "plan" you got further down the road, if any? I mean, except for trying to get another sci-fi blockbuster movie on the road ( :-) ), do you have any ambitions about reaching a certain "level" or is there some form of achievment you are trying to reach by doing this?

Certainly, in the context assuming that *everything* you say turns out to be true, there has to be a specific reason why ET gives you this information, unless they got a very spaced out sense of humor. While some of the things you reveal might contribute to get the human beeing to think twice and so forth seek a deeper meaning i just can´t see how a sci-fi story about life on saturn does any difference on this planet?! I mean, stories about spacetravel, spaceliving, exploring etc. is not exactly a new phenomena and i cannot see how it has helped the human beeing to become more aware. Egoism, war, evil etc. is roaming the planet like a disease this very day. Lucas´s StarWars did not help anything so what is next?

Thanks :-)

Just to help clarify:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

There are people who are coping with trying to explain a difficult experience within these topics. Google searches will undoubtedly lead them here. It would be a shame if a few people who are unable to control their rhetoric end up driving someone away who has an important contribution.

If this means being polite to a few people with hoaxes, delusions, or mundane experiences, then buck up and deal with it. It's worth it. The value of helping a genuine soul with a genuine experience far outweighs the pleasure you derive from flaming a hoaxer.

(Not implying this thread covers a "hoaxes, delusions, or mundane experience", just quoting a previous post on this issue.)


It's not that we don't want to see material being questioned, we'd like to see it being done in a collaborative and respectful way.

Sleeper wrote

Atlantis was real but not located in the Bahamas



So where was it located?

[edit on 17-1-2007 by Truthforall]

Originally posted by tomra
Springer, thanks!

sleeper, although i find the bits and pieces you are talking about very interesting i´m curious about what "plan" you got further down the road, if any? I mean, except for trying to get another sci-fi blockbuster movie on the road ( :-) ),

It’s one day at a time for me, there is no master plan---there is no perfect world nor a perfect galactic conspiracy or time table for anything.

There will be many new sci-fi blockbusters coming out---but if mine gets done it will not come out as sci-fi

do you have any ambitions about reaching a certain "level" or is there some form of achievment you are trying to reach by doing this?

I’m not looking for galactic brownie points; I’m simply telling what I know

Certainly, in the context assuming that *everything* you say turns out to be true, there has to be a specific reason why ET gives you this information, unless they got a very spaced out sense of humor.

They give it to me and others to put out there

They definitely have a spaced-out sense of humor---which is a good thing believe me; you would not like them if they were mad---lol

While some of the things you reveal might contribute to get the human beeing to think twice and so forth seek a deeper meaning i just can´t see how a sci-fi story about life on saturn does any difference on this planet?! I mean, stories about spacetravel, spaceliving, exploring etc. is not exactly a new phenomena and i cannot see how it has helped the human beeing to become more aware. Egoism, war, evil etc. is roaming the planet like a disease this very day. Lucas´s StarWars did not help anything so what is next?

Thanks :-)

Every little bit of info helps someone get a glimpse of the big picture, some will get it faster than others, some will never get it and remain stuck in the egoism, war mentality and evil.

StarWars and other similar movies have opened up many minds to the reality of what is in the huge galaxy we live in---in a sci-fi way. We have to crawl before we can walk and sci-fi is the crawl part.

There was a lot of fantasizing about human flight decades and centuries before it became reality, same with horseless carriages and computes.

Originally posted by sleeper
StarWars and other similar movies have opened up many minds to the reality of what is in the huge galaxy we live in---in a sci-fi way. We have to crawl before we can walk and sci-fi is the crawl part.

There was a lot of fantasizing about human flight decades and centuries before it became reality, same with horseless carriages and computes.

Thanks!

True but as far as i´ve grasped what you have said in the past learning to ride around in fancy looking spaceships is not really why we are here for in the first place. It´s more a thing for maturing the soul...shouldn´t movies featuring values like that of Florence Nightingale or mother Theresa benefit us more? Well, duh, obvisouly one thing does not exclude the other, i´m just having a hard time seeing how technological advancement can help bring forth the good within us...help us to grow up, mature, appreciate life. I mean, does it really matter which planet we are on?

Clearly, space travel is an interesting thing it just appears to me that the "spacedudes" should focus on some more pressing matters first. Or perhaps it is one of those things were they will not come here so we have to reach out and get it for ourselves, kinda like, we are not invited to the party going on at Saturn so we need to go there and crash a party our selves. Hm...i´m just rambling here now?!

Well, you did actually mention some weird human_ish thugs in your script so i might not be that far off the marks as far as getting hold of a good intergalactic party!

Anyway, share on sleeper :-)
Thank you!!

Originally posted by Truthforall

Sleeper wrote

Atlantis was real but not located in the Bahamas

So where was it located?

I answered your question that Atlantis was a real place but if I tell you anymore than that my answer will spark a debate on Atlantis on this thread. I assume you understand the dilemma---I also will not give the answer via u2u

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by Truthforall

Sleeper wrote

Atlantis was real but not located in the Bahamas

So where was it located?

I answered your question that Atlantis was a real place but if I tell you anymore than that my answer will spark a debate on Atlantis on this thread. I assume you understand the dilemma---I also will not give the answer via u2u

So why not start a thread on Atlantis and share your "knowledge" with us?

Now it goes from not having any varifiable information to not wanting to share any varifiable information.

I can understand not wanting to derail your own thread with talk of Atlantis, seeing as you haven't answered any OTHER questions about Atlantis in this thread, but why not in a u2u? Why not in another thread? Could it be because you don't actually HAVE the goods?

Makes you wonder.

[edit on 17-1-2007 by HankMcCoy]