I’m coming clean on Extraterrestrials

sleeper,

I'm kind of a shy/introverted guy. I feel like there is an extroverted me inside waiting to break out of my shell. Do you have any explaination on souls in a shy/introverted human body?

I keep wondering if it's nature vs. nurture.

I also feel like I belong on Venus. It sounds great there I hope the soul collector sends me there after I finish living my life to the fullest here on earth.


[edit on 21-3-2007 by curiousbeliever]

Hey Sleeper,
I may have asked you this before and forgotten to check for a response, but I don't feel like looking throug 112 pages of postings to check, so sorry if it's a repeat posting!
Have you read the books of the Law of One? If not, you should, at the very least it would give a foundation to your screen play/experience. I'm sure they're available for download for free online, but I could also email them to you if you feel like U2Uing me.

Originally posted by Palasheea
Thanks for being here and sharing with us your extraordinary experiences! You've also made it a lot easier for those of us, like myself, who have also had their own extraordinary experiences to come forward and talk about them too in this forum. I'm glad you are here!

I value the kind feedback, thanks Palasheea! And gratitude to ATS for this facilitator to share from

Originally posted by curiousbeliever
sleeper,

I'm kind of a shy/introverted guy. I feel like there is an extroverted me inside waiting to break out of my shell. Do you have any explaination on souls in a shy/introverted human body?

Some emotions are amplified for a reason, they are part of the package, part of what we are here to do. Certainly we can break free from those restraints---if that’s how we view them.

But most of the software programmed into us like shyness, fear, bravery, maudlin, keep us from doing certain things and keeps us more focused on our strengths, rather than our weaknesses---for those who figure that out anyway. Not all of us are here to be public speakers, prime ministers, boxers, evangelist, soldiers, painters, etc, but we are all here to exercise and develop whatever talents we do have.

We are free to go down fighting against our weaknesses or to find what we are good at and excel from there.

I keep wondering if it's nature vs. nurture.

Both are excuses, and neither can hinder or override our initial program unless we kowtow to those beliefs

I also feel like I belong on Venus. It sounds great there

I hope the soul collector sends me there after I finish living my life to the fullest here on earth.

Personally Venus is not a place I would want to go, and the chances that you are going there are slim to none, but it sounds to me that you will be going to a planet of your choosing in another solar system anyway

Originally posted by angst18
Hey Sleeper,
I may have asked you this before and forgotten to check for a response, but I don't feel like looking throug 112 pages of postings to check, so sorry if it's a repeat posting!
Have you read the books of the Law of One? If not, you should, at the very least it would give a foundation to your screen play/experience. I'm sure they're available for download for free online, but I could also email them to you if you feel like U2Uing me.

I haven’t but thanks for that info angst18, I will look it up

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by timedrifter
OK, what is the main message you are trying to get across with this thread?
no offense but it is obvious we are not on the same page, have you found outside corroboration with your story, any link you can throw up that say similar things to what you say? I know I found much corroboration with my own story, how about you?

I have no collaborators, or links to substantiate my claims, experiences, or points of view. My info is from my perspective and no one needs believe any of it. I’m not here to change the world---lol

The earth was here before we arrived and will be here after we all leave, it will do just fine---and so too will all the inhabitants on it once they realize this life is nothing but a theatrical production with lots of drama, violence, sex, upheaval, and buttered popcorn for those smart enough to sit back and enjoy the show---

I guess, I think we should at least try to change the world, I am tired of sitting back and watching the show, the show is played out, time to change tracks in my opinion, you must be somewhat wealthy to take on a sit back and watch attitude.

peace.

Originally posted by timedrifter
I guess, I think we should at least try to change the world,

There are nearly seven billion people on this planet, everyone with a slightly different perspective on life. Every one of us is unique, and want and need differently, so whose change is going to fit the best for all mankind?

Millions of people want to change the world---to suit their particular ideas of the way life should be---some of those people couldn’t stand to be in the same room with each other and have very different ideas of what a perfect world is---some people are perfectly happy living in mud huts, other in tiny apartments inside of skyscrapers.

And what about political persuasions or religious affiliations, or lack thereof? Some like communism, socialism, capitalism, Darwinism, atheism, Buddhism, Judaism, Islam, Christendom, etc. Would you like to live under anyone of those? Many people don’t and many people do.

Have you noticed how many conflicts are in the world at any given time?

Thousands of conflicts and outright wars because most people are not on the same page---and many don’t want to be on the same page or in the same room with others that don't believe as they do.

You want to change “your” world---by all means do so

It's so funny to me that people are so focused on 'changing the world' when the world is always constantly changing...
I've know from a very very young age that I was born onto a tumultuous, dangerous and exiting world that was poised to slide into insanity - and the thing that really struck me when I read Sleeper's story, is the 'this life as a vacation' scenario, because that's exactly how I feel about the whole thing. I know for sure that a major shift is just around the corner and I have survival gear, a couple of firearms and other impliments of varying effectiveness against major global upheaval, but it's almost like this life is a safari-type vacation, something I've signed up for to witness and interact with, but not something particularly meant for me (does that make sense?). Almost like I've been through this a few times before and have elected to take my chances to see how I fare this time.
That said, as I've stated on another thread, though I would be disappointed if nothing particularly dramatic takes place, I'm currently living my life doing exactly what I want to do - doing exactly what makes me happy, so it's a win-win situation.
It's fun to be alive, but part of me knows it'll be just as much fun to be 'dead'.

Originally posted by timedrifter
I guess, I think we should at least try to change the world,

A good start for this would be to present something with 'hand and feet' or to bring it to the point checkable evidence.

As long as nothing likes that comes along with your claims not many will listen to you. Don't you think so?

(Personel I don't believe you one word about 'physical time traveling' to a past time(*) . The current scientific understanding of nature law's prohibit that. I tell you this that you see why evidence is mandatory if you want to address a significant number of people.)

But maybe you like to change the world in another more personel way, without the need of ppl to believe you...

As long as your intention is positive/good in nature, I welcome that.

(*) spiritual or visual only is a different thing.
If I got it wrong what 'sort' of timetraveling you claim to do let me know.. But anyway what you do..I expect evidence before I take any 'timetraveler' as serious and as timetraveler to deliever an evidence should really be no issue.
No offensive but without such, for me you are simple telling a fancy story.
And I believe I am not the only one that thinks like that.




[edit on 22-3-2007 by g210b]

From a very young age -- I just wanted to go "home". I have always felt like a fish out of water on this world. LOL - you should read the teachers comments on my gradeschool report cards.

I still don't feel like I'm physically or emotionally here. Often I feel like I am floating and need to put on gravity boots to keep my self attached to Earth. I spent most of my childhood up in trees or sitting on rooftops.

I'm sensitive to the sun - and don't enjoy it. I much prefer overcast skies or nightime. As a kid I used to push furniture up to a corner and hide like I was in a cave. I know most kids do this -- but I would stay there alone for hours.

I have few friends - because I just can't relate to the trivial of being human. I know that sounds arrogant - but I work hard to keep that in check

Being human is like Role Playing to me -- kind of like "When in Rome" --- I just have to accept I am here for a reason.

I don't want to change the world --- but I'm not really enjoying it either. I feel like I am in prison waiting for my parole. You do the best you can -- making each day the best it can be -- wasting your time would not be a good thing -- but your eye never leaves the Exit gate.

People of the Planet Earth, You have yet to realise that intelligent life is teeming virtually throughout the Universe in advanced civilisations and levels of developement that would completely defy description. The countless Billions of Stars that appear in your Astronomers telescopes are only a fraction of the overall magnitude of Infinite Creation. A Creation that had no beginning nor will there be an ending as all Worlds, Stars and even Galaxies function in the orderly pattern of cyclic regeneration.

For those that don't believe,
There will never be enough proof.
For those that do believe,
No proof is needed.



[edit on 22-3-2007 by Visitor]

Originally posted by Visitor
For those that don't believe,
There will never be enough proof.
For those that do believe,
No proof is needed.

I completely disagree. For those that believe, they've already gotten "proof" in some form or fashion that was suitable to them, or they're extremely malleable. For those that don't, they haven't and/or aren't.

To suggest otherwise is condescending in the extreme. Not only am I not "on the fence", I can't even see the fence from where I'm standing. But yes, there could be enough proof. I just happen to apparently be a long way from it.

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by timedrifter
I guess, I think we should at least try to change the world,

There are nearly seven billion people on this planet, everyone with a slightly different perspective on life. Every one of us is unique, and want and need differently, so whose change is going to fit the best for all mankind?

Millions of people want to change the world---to suit their particular ideas of the way life should be---some of those people couldn’t stand to be in the same room with each other and have very different ideas of what a perfect world is---some people are perfectly happy living in mud huts, other in tiny apartments inside of skyscrapers.

And what about political persuasions or religious affiliations, or lack thereof? Some like communism, socialism, capitalism, Darwinism, atheism, Buddhism, Judaism, Islam, Christendom, etc. Would you like to live under anyone of those? Many people don’t and many people do.

Have you noticed how many conflicts are in the world at any given time?

Thousands of conflicts and outright wars because most people are not on the same page---and many don’t want to be on the same page or in the same room with others that don't believe as they do.

You want to change “your” world---by all means do so

well I believe many people no matter how they live can agree that many things in this world need to change and people should be able to live autonomously and they should know the truth and not be controlled like herds of animals, the conflict and war and hate need to change, that is major control tools, if people like this stuff well I disagree and think there is a better way and the current is a failure. I think people are not on the same page because of blockers and controllers that want it that way.

I dont want to be a sideliner myself, you seem to have an "it is, what it is" attitude here, hmmm.

Originally posted by timedrifter
well I believe many people no matter how they live can agree that many things in this world need to change and people should be able to live autonomously and they should know the truth and not be controlled like herds of animals, the conflict and war and hate need to change, that is major control tools, if people like this stuff well I disagree and think there is a better way and the current is a failure. I think people are not on the same page because of blockers and controllers that want it that way.

I dont want to be a sideliner myself, you seem to have an "it is, what it is" attitude here, hmmm.

One man’s tyrant is another man’s savior or world changer

Napoleon, Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, and any number of other dictators past and present were tyrants to some and saviors to others.

The fact is no one is on the same page on what the world should be or how to make it a peaceful and prosperous world for everyone---millions of us disagree on nearly everything.

All the tyrants of the past and present didn’t get the backing of their people by telling them they were tyrants---they got the backing by telling them they would create a peaceful and prosperous world---lol

These tyrants painted themselves as saviors of the downtrodden by making deceitful promises.

The bottom line is that humans are not here to change the world; we are here to be changed by the circumstances we find ourselves in, in this world.

Those that claim they hold the solutions to all the worlds woes are simply tyrants in sheep clothing looking for their next meal ticket and the victims that will pay for it.

Or they are contestants on a Miss America contest---lol

The world will change and become a better place only when more people change and become better people.

Originally posted by Visitor
People of the Planet Earth, You have yet to realise that intelligent life is teeming virtually throughout the Universe in advanced civilisations and levels of developement

That will surprise you, so far this fits with my 'believes' and experiences.

But that doesnt mean I believe everyone that comes here and talks about 'I am an alien' or have contact to aliens, when the one is not willing to back up this with anything checkable.

(timetraveler the same thing, but I do not believe in physical time travleres have not the slightest hint for this to be possible but a lot that it is not. visual, spiritual is something else)

From your ncik I asume you mean to be an extraterestrial.

If so here the 100dollar question:

Why should we(humans) believe when you (the aliens) can simple show/proof you are here and extraterestrial inteligent live exists once and for all? It makes no sense to request us to believe in something you don't want us to know. And you don't want us to know, else you had shown up already. You hide. Fine, but then don't wonder that we doubt your existence. Get the point?

(Byway no wrong reservation! Educated ppl do not fear the reality. Only the gov does! So get the things moveing show up and say hi. Becomes boring here without you!)

that would completely defy description.

Doubt this. This is often (mis)used as an excuse to not even have to start and getting more concrete. Of course words are limited and the picture will be limited but with nothign you have nothing.
(I can descripe my sometimes breathtaking dreams, limited and incomplet but I can.)

The countless Billions of Stars that appear in your Astronomers telescopes are only a fraction of the overall magnitude of Infinite Creation.

I think that too, yes.

A Creation that had no beginning nor will there be an ending as all Worlds, Stars and even Galaxies function in the orderly pattern of cyclic regeneration.

No clue.

For those that don't believe,
There will never be enough proof.

One single concret and real proof that holds water is enough..

For those that do believe,
No proof is needed.

I believe in purple invisible flying dragons. No one can proof me that they do not exist. But I believe, therefore they exist.
(unfortunatly the last setence has a little true point in the core. But I guess you get what I want to say with that.)

I can have a personel experience giving me personel proof valid for myself only. So if you take me for a ride and show me the stars in physical reality. This would be pretty much convincing.
(Thought with a little rest doubt that the trip wasn't real but manipulated by you I have to confess! )


[edit on 22-3-2007 by g210b]

I find it hard to believe we have the entire milky way to ourselves.

Lets look at the current facts (even if it is disinfo by NASA and other space agencies):

The milky way is estimated to be 13 billion years old and contains around 200-300 billion stars.

Our own sun is thought to be only 4.5 billion years old and humanity is thought to be around 200,000 years old.

I feel there could very well be civilizations billions of years older than us in our own galaxy, becase of the many stars older than our own sun. And many civilizations as advanced as or less than our own civilization.

I feel the reason why they do not accept us into the galactic community is because they are watching over us and making sure we don't blow ourselves up and making sure we don't bring our primitive weapons into space harming other civilizations that may be as advanced or less advanced as us. We haven't matured to the point where humanity can travel the galaxy in peace.

I don't think it was a coincidence that an alien craft crashed near roswell in the 40's. At that time that was the only nuclear facility. Aliens saw that we discoverd WMDs and were probably trying to disarm us.



[edit on 22-3-2007 by curiousbeliever]

Hi Sleeper,

I have read this post from it's inception and a mixture of feelings have gone through my mind from the start. At the beginning of your post you were pretty much being crucified for your thoughts on the subject matter of your post and i have to confess i was in the crowd screaming "Witch!" or "This is pure BS".

I have now re-visited the post after leaving it be for a long time and i feel that you may perhaps be the next "Socrates". I wonder if i could ask you a question that is prevalent in my life, or something that nags me. How do you live?, i heard mention on other posts of Eckhart Tooles The Power Of Now and after purchasing the book i'm inclined to read it through and take it on. I worry too much on trivial things, who doesn't? but I suffer from Anxiety and over worrying about things and seem to be continually looking for answers. My question is "Are you comfortable in your own life?, do you have anxieties? i'm just wondering in this place we live in we are taking things far too seriously, you can't drink Coffee, oh but Coffee is good for you etc etc.

Originally posted by Visitor
A Creation that had no beginning nor will there be an ending as all Worlds, Stars and even Galaxies function in the orderly pattern of cyclic regeneration.

edit on 22-3-2007 by Visitor]

i like you comments and agree, but the thing i dont get is the no beginning part.

i am not downplaying the complexity, but no matter how many dimensions there are, how many types of greys, who did what in what galaxy, i dont get it.

something had to start everything. but what started that, and for what reason, and how did that get started

Originally posted by Annee


Being human is like Role Playing to me -- kind of like "When in Rome" --- I just have to accept I am here for a reason.

I don't want to change the world --- but I'm not really enjoying it either. I feel like I am in prison waiting for my parole. You do the best you can -- making each day the best it can be -- wasting your time would not be a good thing -- but your eye never leaves the Exit gate.

wow, that's got to suck. I'm not being glib either.
This may sound harsh, Annee, but from your post it just sounds like you're depressed or bored or depressed because you're bored (coupled, of course, with an extreme empathy with the plight of the human condition)
It just really sounds like you've never been in a grenade attack in Tel Aviv or watched someone get blown up in front of you, or gotten stuck in Suez next to a dead camel for 2 days with a South Korean guy that doesn't speak Egyptian or English and a bunch of pissed off Egyptians who don't care that your dad is Lebanese.
Luckily, I've had all three happen to me before I turned 20, so my perspective is one of complete hilarity.
It's difficult to communicate, but living is just a funny thing.
And I truly mean funny in the humorous sense of the term.
I always feel like I'm on the verge of laughter almost all the time. Even when I'm angry or sad or in love or in hate or when there's a very dead camel stinking on the edge of a dirt road in the middle of f***ling nowhere for 2 days.
And even when I fail at what I want most in my life - to study physics.
Some part of me is in hysterics when I can't remember how to evaluate vector components in a simple kinetics calculation.
I've been adding 2 + 3 = 6 for the last 3 mos. and couldn't figure out how the hell my 3rd derivitive calculations weren't working out.
I think the humor comes from knowing absolutely that I cannot do "wrong". that "wrong" doesn't exist.
It also comes from knowing that probably most of the reason that I get Bs on my tests is because bouron tastes so damn good.
Look, it's late, and I'm rambling on with no specific direction in mind... but what I meant to get at is that depression is just simply a manifestation of not having enough to do.
Get over it and start doing what you really want to do. And I mean what you REALLY want. Otherwise you're just wasting time - your own time and also that of those around you.
Love life or get out quick.

Originally posted by angst18
wow, that's got to suck. I'm not being glib either.
This may sound harsh, Annee, but from your post it just sounds like you're depressed or bored or depressed because you're bored (coupled, of course, with an extreme empathy with the plight of the human condition)

Unfortunately I have almost the exact same story as Anne. Noone to relate to, therefore noone I can just 'be myself' around... Can't stand the way our 'modern' civlization is, physically and especially mentally. Definately feel like I don't belong here, and sadly, can't wait for it to be over.

But at the same time I know you're correct in that we do have the ability to change our current reality... it's just a matter of getting over the fear of allowing the people around you to see yourself, real. You spend too much time hiding in the darkness, waiting for the right time, and before you know it you can't get yourself out...even when you know you belong out in the light -- plus more.
It's not easy getting out of a "institutionalized" state. Believe me. It's like one part of you is completely locked away in a prison with no way out, even though the other part of you has the key to freedom.
Theres not a moment that goes by where I wish I had done something different in the beginning...just played it all out the way it was meant to be played. But these days it seems as if it's too late. I've gone past the point of no return, and now all I can do is 'wait it out'.

Yeah, I know it's just in my head. I just feel I need something to happen to give me the strength in order to break free.

It can be a cruel reality, as beautiful as it may be.





[edit on 23/3/07 by Navieko]