I’m coming clean on Extraterrestrials

sleeper,

do you have that blog up yet? I'm sorry but I don't want to go through 100+ pages to find a link. Thanks!

Originally posted by sleeper
there are no short cuts to enlightenment.

This has been said before and it still rings true at this day and age. Thank you for that.

To win 52 , in my honored opinion if this voice isnt telling you to harm yourself or others or telling you to do things that would be considered harmful in any way then i see no reason for you to take meds or be locked away. If it starts being negative , seek help immediately.

Win 52 - think/focus - "Good Health" - "Good Nutrition" - "Strong Character" - These are positive.

"Am I Crazy" - is a negative.

I personally do have health issues - but I only think in terms of being "Strong and Healthy" - - both physically and mentally.

Never allow your mind to go to the negative. If it does - give it a swift kick back to the positive side.

After reading through the first 15 pages, I have to say I expected more. For those reading my post now, save yourself the time and just read the first 10 pages and then the last few. It started out elite but then ended with the typical waste of time banter back in forth for what seems like endless pages. However, this is still one of the best threads I've read in a long time.

I only said that because of an attack in the other thread.

I question myself all the time. I have never been asked to do anything that would be negative. My guide, source, inspiration has always been a positive influence in my life and my life choices.

At the start, I asked to get a police radar warning so I would know that the voice was legitimate. Twenty seven years later that warning still comes as a sign that this voice is for real.

I can not deny what I am being given as being fact and life choices that directly influence my future in a positive way.

Originally posted by win 52
I only said that because of an attack in the other thread.

I question myself all the time. I have never been asked to do anything that would be negative. My guide, source, inspiration has always been a positive influence in my life and my life choices.

At the start, I asked to get a police radar warning so I would know that the voice was legitimate. Twenty seven years later that warning still comes as a sign that this voice is for real.

I can not deny what I am being given as being fact and life choices that directly influence my future in a positive way.

LOL Win 52 - - we just care about you.

I banter back and forth with my "gang" too. I've learned to just go along with their direction - - but that doesn't mean I don't question if they know what they are doing.

Many years back - I had a premonition of a man - who later became a boyfriend. That prem was a warning of dark days - but my "gang" wanted me to have this lesson. It did help me later in life to understand certain things.

Originally posted by win 52
Hi Sleeper

I am still reading this thread. Just came here after a couple of day abscence. I find it interesting that the things you say have been given to me in what I said in the time traveller thread. It isn't word for word, but the idea is the same.

I can only describe what comes to me as a voice in my head. I say it is God, because that is the only thing like this that I can relate to. It is definately a superior being talking to me and it is much like the way you describe ET communications.

Hi win 52

Maybe you should ask the voice questions, like what does it want from you

I am still trying to make sense of what is happening to me, because it is not a common accepted thing for most people.

Assignments are crystal clear otherwise how can you carry them out?

It always is to help people....I get a lot of "I just finished praying to God. Are you an Angel?" when I listen to the communication and act on what I am told to do.

Are you an angel? Angels are territorial and don’t take kindly to others treading where they fear to tread------I crack myself up---NO, I don't take crack!

Am I totally crazy? Should I get strong meds, as people have suggested? Free room and board?

If three free meals come with the free room and board, that might not be a bad proposal, but be sure to get it in writing---

If I stop responding to the communication, would that be the right thing to do? I can't stop hearing it, I have tried.

Milton has my home phone number I never give out my cell phone number, especially to Milton; otherwise I would never get any rest

Just hang up on them if they are not giving you info you need or want

Those times of helping other people out are crystal clear direction.

The ones that help me are crystal clear.

The things that come to me when I am typing here are what I get and I put it down as I get it. I also write my thoughts and questions mixed in.

I will get up the courage to go on another "field trip" (I don't know what to call it). I am wide awake for these, not sleeping. Ha Ha Ha....I made a joke.

Originally posted by Annee
Remember this is not about religious beliefs - but about ETs and Reveal.

I haven't seen enough to be certain they are totally unrelated.

In fact, i have seen more to support the opposite, but perhaps not in the context most assume.

forgive me for my "vagueness", but the truth is coming in from all directions, but unfortunatley the truth is not compliant with most peoples opinions, so they shun it.

in order to remember that ETs and Reveal have nothing to do with religious beliefs, perhaps knowing religious beliefs should be a pre-requisite, as it would be needed for a basis for comparison.

I just believe that drawing the conclusion that both religions and aliens are not related whatsoever is not the truth, but rather an opinion based concept constructed from insufficient data.

In other words: I think both concepts are interelated.

just som thoughts,
E.T.

[edit on 28-2-2007 by Esoteric Teacher]

Esoteric Teacher - - there is a big difference between Man Made Religiosity - - and belief in the existence of a higher intelligence of spiritual teachings.

I agree with you

Originally posted by Annee
Esoteric Teacher - - there is a big difference between Man Made Religiosity - - and belief in the existence of a higher intelligence of spiritual teachings.

I agree with you

And i agree with you. Truthfully i do.

Sometimes i ponder though how man has managed to go from the known to the unknown, and i stay open to the possibility and entertain the idea that there has been some measure of help, or helpers ....

thanks Annee,
john

Originally posted by Quackmaster
These types of posts, all though a huge amount of time has been spent on them (especially reading wall 102 pages over the last 3 days..) are completely frustrating.

All this effort and nothing has been proven, shown to be true or backed by anything that you could describe as substantiated.

That's not entirely true. By page 102, we finally learn why Mr.Penny is so obstinate in confronting possibilities that can neither be proven nor disproven. It is because he has already chosen an alternative set of unprovable beliefs. I found that very enlightening.

Sleeper, your posts remain right on to me.

Anyone who really wants to decerne the conditioned/brain washed scenario about the bible myths need only follow the Cathothic church dogma direction of ignore it all--totally rewritten by Constantine and distorted over milenium by the born agains--and that is OK.

Most of the stories are not from the Mid-east Israelites but from ancient Egypt, India and China--myths that nevertheless signal some real truth about who we are and were meant to be--we just forgot and got stupid on religious stuff.

I love the notion that we--the human race-- somehow all went through some horrific cataclyism and are all now sufferring some kind of collective post tramatic shock experience.

Sleeper:

Is suffering (duality) our job on this planet?

Is it our job to understand this duality inigma and rise above it?

Why did we choose to go through this mess?

BTW, TO ALL: read and reread sleepers posts and maybe, just maybe, you'll get the gist of his message and my questions.

Enlightenment ain't the goal here, that happens or it does't.

Sleeper, Thank you for waking me up--a glass of cold water would not have worked.

Originally posted by Ectoterrestrial
It is because he has already chosen an alternative set of unprovable beliefs. I found that very enlightening.

Yes, but I won't attempt to convince you I came by those beliefs while walking with Jesus Christ on the banks of the Sea of Galilee. In fact, I won't even try to convince you of anything relative to my faiths.

I'm also aware my Christian beliefs may be completely wrong. I may even change my beliefs should I come across something that moves me in some particular way. Animism interests me.

From a spiritual standpoint, there isn't much in sleeper's 'story' to argue with. I don't find it perfect though. But, from a practical standpoint...its really bad fiction, poorly told.

I can't make sense of why anyone would wrap good, useful advice for living a life in a comically bad science fiction story.



[edit on 28-2-2007 by MrPenny]

Ahhhh, you sound like me a few years ago...

Get ready for the big push. Ouch.

It will be a huge colonic purge.

And then it get's even scarier.

Giving up brainwashed conditioning is frightening.

Good news, it feels right and does not negate your previous belief system. It adds to it...beautiful!

but what the hell do I know....LOL!

QUESTION: Just for the heck of it. What can you tell me about Pluto. I have a fondness for the little guy. Demotions are so brutal.

Originally posted by muse801

Is suffering (duality) our job on this planet?

Hello muse,

No, we have to make sense of our life the best way we can---if not we look for guidance in churches or political leaders.


Our beliefs are secondary to what we learn in this walk through life---what matters most is who we are---not what religion or lack thereof we hooked our wagon to.

Is it our job to understand this duality inigma and rise above it?

We have no such duty, it doesn’t matter if we believe in God, Darwin, or the tooth fairy---at the end of the day all that matters is what is in our heart---if we can keep that fire alive in all our hustle and bustle we are ahead of the game.

Why did we choose to go through this mess?

It’s in the eye of the beholder whether we are on a mess of a planet or a perfect planet---this is a perfect universe, and this planet is in the perfect universe---therefore this planet is perfect---hard to understand certainly, yet perfect nonetheless.

Originally posted by muse801
Giving up brainwashed conditioning is frightening.

Ya' know muse....I find comments like that amusing.

Its intellectual arrogance. You read some books, maybe meditated a bit....then when you rejected 'mainstream' belief systems, you simply embraced a different flavor of 'brainwashed conditioning', and you're not even aware of it.

Its all 'brainwashed conditioning'....you're just trading positions....to a position that may be just as 'bogus' as the position you rejected.

Aren't you 'open minded' enough to see that my views may be just as valid as yours? Or just as invalid? Or do you and others know the truth and intentionally decide to waste it on an Internet forum? Puleeze.......

Don't presume to 'know' me.

Like me....you may know more than you know.....





[edit on 28-2-2007 by MrPenny]

Originally posted by sleeper

The person who posed the question was hoping for that, they wanted to get the Christians who are on the fence about this thread off that fence---good strategy

No, that's not what I was hoping for. I was just hoping for an answer to my questions. As for Christians "on the fence about this thread", I have no idea if there are any such readers on this thread and I hadn't even considered it. I guess that's probably because even the most liberal Christian would have a hard time finding common ground with the heart of their gospel and yours. If some had identified themselves as fence-straddling Christians, I missed it, which is entirely possible as I've read very little of the last 50 pages or so.

Now then, I'm still unclear about the answers to my questions -

Parts of the Bible were inspired by higher beings but most of it was discarded and the final version of the Bible was written by fallible men.

Was that "Milton's" response to your question about the Bible being the infallible Word of God?

Is Jesus Christ God in the flesh?

No

Again, is that "Milton's" response to that question?

I have a feeling you will be interested in more than those two questions now that I have answered them not to your liking

I have no other questions other than the clarification I've requested on them, and inquiring by what method you were given the definitive (if any) answers. Face to face? Channeling? Some other communication method? I ask the latter in an attempt to determine how much is straight from the "ET"'s mouth and how much is an interpretation or "feeling" on your part.

Thanks again.

Originally posted by elevatedone
GLDNGUN

I've been told that there are 2 questions that "aliens" will go to all lengths to avoid answering directly since they are not allowed to lie about these 2 things

Just curious where you heard that? It sounds familiar to me, but I don't know why...

There could very well be many who have said it. I read about it on another website that deals with similar subject matters as those covered on ATS. I have conversed a great deal with the individual who made the statement, as he has has some fascinating insight and education about UFOs, "aliens", including their upcoming "public disclosure" and earth changes in the near future. Since I don't personally know an "ET" and "Sleeper" claims he does, I thought I would see what the response would be.