Why do folks fear the NWO ?

Originally posted by Dock6
Regarding the EU: I don't know how widely you've travelled --- if at all. And you don't say how many people you know, in the EU. I suspect not many.

I on the other hand am well conversent with the general dissatisfaction of many, many people who've had the EU foisted upon them. They see no benefit. To the contrary, in fact.

I'll second that. EU is far from European Utopia. In my country (Slovenia) we have everything by EU standards, we also have Euro as national currency, but our quality of life and our paychecks are far from old EU member states.

Ps.
EU is NWO-LIGHTS.

Just think of what you'd like the most; democray or dictatorship?
The EU is a small union if you look at the size of it (geographically). Still, we have huge problems merging all the countries together. The needs and demands of Finland doesn't always go together with the needs and demands of Italy for instance.
It is all based on greed and urge for power over others. It is evil at its core. World peace can be achieved through dialogue and understanding, through diplomancy and trade. There is no real need for a NWO. In the end ONE man will be in charge, ONE "president" or whatever. This is so absurd that the thought of it can't even come into my mind.

Ever heard the line "take over the world"?

Well, on the face of it, globalism, which is by most standards what the NWO will consist of, is not a bad idea. However, when one examines the ramifications of it, then it becomes very scary indeed.

To me, one of the scariest aspects of it is that it leaves the doors wide open for a one world dictator.

Originally posted by Dock6

Stumason: it's difficult to know WHICH of the CHIPS on your shoulders require to be addressed and in which order, lol.

Chips? It's not hard to read, my friend and there are no chips...

Originally posted by Dock6
Fifty Fifty's post is there for you to read.

He/she ASSERTED that 'territorial wars would be unnecessary' etc.

My enquiries regarding his assertions are entirely valid.

And of course, whether or not you WANT to see nonsensical assertions being questioned in these forums is actually a problem YOU have and has no bearing on the style of my posts or the valid questions they contain.

Answering questions with questions is not ideal. I am more than willing to address yours if you do like wise. In fact, I find myself doing so regardless.

Originally posted by Dock6
As to your undisciplined anti-American rant, well, again, it serves simply to magnify more of YOUR problems.

Like your friend Fifty Fifty, you're prone to assumptions, as when you accuse me of being 'American'. I'm not. I still find your comments re: the US and Americans to be offensive however. You do no credit to the UK or its inhabitants. Are you SURE you're a UK resident ?????

Please point me to the exact place I said you were an American. I made an observation, over the 2 1/2 years on this site, that most Anti-OWG people are American.

Originally posted by Dock6
Regarding the EU: I don't know how widely you've travelled --- if at all. And you don't say how many people you know, in the EU. I suspect not many.

Funny. You berate me for making assumptions and then do the same youself... I have actually lived in Germany for 5 years and travelled to almost all of the "Old Europe" countries. Good enough for ya?

Originally posted by Dock6
I on the other hand am well conversent with the general dissatisfaction of many, many people who've had the EU foisted upon them. They see no benefit. To the contrary, in fact.

Please, elaborate. I am sure it will be standard fare anti-EU claptrap which has been done to death on this board for some years...

Originally posted by Dock6
Your post is so disjointed that it's difficult to ascertain precisely what -- if any -- point you're attempting to make, other than insult and provoke as many here as possible.

Disjointed? Attack the poster and not the subject..standard fare tactics I am afriad and I am well used to them. As it stands, you would be hard pressed to find a disjointed post of mine. They all follow a very easy to understand train of thought. No one else has ever complained of me being a disjointed debater. If you have problems, feel free to U2U me and I will gladly talk you through it

Originally posted by Dock6
It's laughable. Really. Fifty Fifty STATES BOLDLY that under NWO: 'territorial wars will no longer be necessary'.

Yet your posts are the epitome of 'territorial' aggressiveness and divisiveness.

So clearly, you would be totally unsuited to the NWO/OWG you're so keen to support, lol

Not really. Where am I advocating "territorial aggressiveness"? I merely point out, that from my observations, that most anti-OWG types ARE US citizens...

Again, as I said above, I am used to the "attack the poster" types who actually skirt round the issues and any questions asked, yet behave like they are the ones who have provided all the evidence to back themselves up. All we here against the OWG is "oh, but they're going to stick us in camps and chip us all"...

Where is the proof? Go on, provide me with ANY proof of these camps, or chips or anything else to "control" us that is found anywhere outside the USA that would give any hint of a Global conspiracy to enslave mankind.

Anti-OWG types always cite examples of the NWO, but these examples are almost exclusively from within the USA.

Originally posted by yanchek

I'll second that. EU is far from European Utopia. In my country (Slovenia) we have everything by EU standards, we also have Euro as national currency, but our quality of life and our paychecks are far from old EU member states.

Ps.
EU is NWO-LIGHTS.

I never said it was a Utopia.

What is it with people putting words in my mouth?

Slovenia? Get off...

You should complain about the decades of Communist mismanagement, the civil war and your current Government being no better, rather than blame the EU when you've only been a member for 2 1/2 years!!!!

As it stands, you are alot better off within the EU than without. Otherwise, why did you join?

The leaderships of the world are not mature enough to handle a one world government effectively without exploiting the power and using it to their benefit via corporations and other special interests.

It would simply fall in the hands of the wrong people, as have the Presidency.

I would like to see a one world government, but based from a rechanged society that can work together more successfully. Til then.. keep fighting the good fight by helping people, not being selfish and trying to promote a better healthy lifestyle. Otherwise, I hope you are content with how things are now and where they are going.


Be the change you want to see happen.

I'm sorry but the idea that anyone could enslave the American population is somewhat ridiculous. Who do you people imagine would be the actual military force behind all of this? I'm sure our soldiers in Iraq right now would have more than a few problems when they are ordered to walk into the house down the street and send their neighbors to prison camp because they refused to give up the right to vote.
Do you remember what happened the last time a government tried to impose unfair rights on the American populous? THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR. In which a weak militia of farmers with rabbit guns defeated the greatest Empire of the day. Do you honestly believe that when Americans started disappearing into prison camps that the rest of us would just stand by and watch? If you people are as against this NWO as you say, then surely you would be the first ones to help organize some sort of resistance? Or maybe you would stay on this website and talk about some other new concocted threat.
The world can't even impose DEMOCRACY on a country like Iraq, where all the insurgency has is AK-47's and antiquated russian weaponry. No imagine the problems that would arise if someone were to try and impose some kind of fascit one world government on the entire planet. Who would enforce this? Surely the same people who just had their rights stripped away wouldn't turn around and obey the orders kill another person for refusing to submit.
The reason you never hear anything about this in the media or in respected channels of scholarship is because most of the ideas the NWO are built on are complete and utter fallacy.


Just think about these two main points:
1) Who would enforce these prison camps and new anti-freedom laws? And don't say "The Black Police" or something because at the end of the day those people still go home to a house and a family just like everyone else. They still have civilian friends and relatives. Give me some sort of concrete answer or strategy for enforcing this NWO.

2) The logistics of imposing a world dictatorship are incredible. The amount of co-operation between governments that would have to occur would be unprecedented in the history of civilization. Yet some of you act like this could all happen tomorrow. Don't you think we would see some kind of evidence that a world government is imminent? So far all I've seen are some videos on youtube trying to convince me that there is a NWO because of some designs iin Washington's city streets or because it says NWO in latin on the dollar bill.

Please just use coherent rational though when you read this message board. Some of the things said here are just beyond foolish.

I'm sorry but the idea that anyone could enslave the American population is somewhat ridiculous. Who do you people imagine would be the actual military force behind all of this? I'm sure our soldiers in Iraq right now would have more than a few problems when they are ordered to walk into the house down the street and send their neighbors to prison camp because they refused to give up the right to vote.

Secretsoldier, while I would like to agree with you, I can't. The American populace, at least to me, seems to live in a perpetual state of ignorance. If it doesn't affect them right this minute, they don't really give a damn. There foresight is very shortsighted indeed. Nope, it wouldn't be hard to enslave the American populace...As a matter of fact, I am willing to assert that it has already been accomplished.

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What? How are we enslaved? Unless you are talking about people being slaves to their work or some other idea like that I can't think of what you could be implying when you say that the enslaving of America has already taken place

America has been enslaved into a working class system, where you in reality have the workers and the rich, and a growing lower-end middle class and a thinning out upper middle class.

Originally posted by secretsoldier
What? How are we enslaved? Unless you are talking about people being slaves to their work or some other idea like that I can't think of what you could be implying when you say that the enslaving of America has already taken place

By the media, for one. Americans believe everything they hear on the "news." Hell, God knows they don't read anymore. If it doesn't come off of the T.V, they don't know aything about it.

Secondly, look at our government,...yeah, the American people tolerate it. If Americans were ever going to take action, they would have done it decades ago. Alas, too little, too late.

whats going to happen to the quality of life in america when mexicans can legally cross the border and work in america when they like us europeans have to accept.

lowering the wage etc...

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Originally posted by andy1033
whats going to happen to the quality of life in america when mexicans can legally cross the border and work in america when they like like us europeans have to accept.

lower the wage etc...

It's going to plummet. Don't even get me started on the border issue. Our border policies are a joke. We are supposedly fighting a "war on terrorism," yet the Canadian and Mexican borders are wide freakin open!! It doesn't make sense to me,at all. :shk:

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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by andy1033
whats going to happen to the quality of life in america when mexicans can legally cross the border and work in america when they like like us europeans have to accept.

lower the wage etc...

It's going to plummet. Don't even get me started on the border issue. Our border policies are a joke. We are supposedly fighting a "war on terrorism," yet the Canadian and Mexican borders are wide freakin open!!

It doesn't make sense to me,at all. :shk:

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but even on your news now they are talking about the american union, where mexico and canada will join usa in one country. do americans not think at all about that prospect, just look at the eu.

plus what is going to happen to your dollar, they supposedly already have your new money printed, how are they going to get rid of the dollar and will it be a crash or will it be like in europe where it was mostly a mild transition to the new currency.

does the american population know about any of this at all.

people say that america is becoming a police state, but they reckon canada is alot further down that road than even america. what happens there in that situation to.

what about your supposed free speech.

Andy, you bring up some good questions. I must say that I do think that the NAU will probably happen. As far as the currency change, I imagine there will be a slow transition into that. I doubt if they just drop the dollar without notice. The dollar will probably be phased out.

I like owning property, and it is my right. I like having the opportunity to make money, and own more property.
I like to live free, and not have every aspect of my life regulated and taxed. While we may not have the freedom we are supposed to have right now, even if you live in America, it could be so much worse. I like worshiping the God of my choice, and exercising my right to whatever religion I choose. With great freedom comes great responsibility, and these days it seems that no one is willing to take responsibility for their actions anymore. This makes forming an invasive global government to dominate everyone much more easily. Because people depend on their gov't for their every need.

great read....unfortunately, I live in Maryland. Ft. Meade is hardly a concetration camp. In fact, it's quite accessible to the public. Perhaps that conspiracy theorists might want to verify their looney toon facts, hmmm?

Originally posted by NotOnMyWatch
For one thing, I like my comfy bed.

See my avatar? It's a pic of a concentration camp in Taylor, Texas. Only one of the 600+ prison camps right here in America which have been built and staffed, are ready and waiting -- for 'dissenters' and others.

Dissenters are those Americans who will (among other things) refuse to get the VeriChip, refuse to get a National ID card, protest against their constitutional rights being taken away, protest against having a dictatorship for their new government, and etc.

These new 'accomodations' are courtesy of the NWO. I rather doubt that the beds are soft and comfy. If you haven't heard much about all this, I highly suggest doing an online search for:

American Concentration Camps
VeriChip
National ID card

What you'll find will totally open your eyes! And that's just for starters here in America! I could go on and on about what the NWO has planned. Don't even get me started on what the NWO is doing to our weather, putting in our water, diseases such as AIDS and the bird-flu that they have created, all in the name of 'population control', etc.

NOMW

Originally posted by downtown436
I like owning property, and it is my right. I like having the opportunity to make money, and own more property.
I like to live free, and not have every aspect of my life regulated and taxed. While we may not have the freedom we are supposed to have right now, even if you live in America, it could be so much worse. I like worshiping the God of my choice, and exercising my right to whatever religion I choose. With great freedom comes great responsibility, and these days it seems that no one is willing to take responsibility for their actions anymore. This makes forming an invasive global government to dominate everyone much more easily. Because people depend on their gov't for their every need.

Where is it said that I wont be able to own property ? Show me a link to some study or report by someone that states this. I keep seeing people repeatedly post we wont have property but have yet to see proof.

I dont buy most of the nefarious goals being reported here. The destruction of the middle class would serve no purpose to the globalist elite. Nor would tossing us into concentration camps. The rich need the middle class to buy their products and work their machines.

As far as concentration camps go...yeah ive seen the rumors and posts about alleged camps with armed guards. A few pictures of some refurbished japanese internment camps isnt proof. Show me a guard's W2 form and pics of him guarding empty beds inside. Show me the pics of the alleged trains with shackles to be used to cart us off. Show me some interviews with the local townsfolk who live near one.

All I see is paranoid people, the kind we all saw when the year 2000 was approaching. Im not close-minded nor do I believe my goverment is honest. And I do think a one-world gverment is in the works by the international bankers. Im just not convinced this means slavery.

Originally posted by stumason
For all you "the NWO is evil" types out there.....

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Maybe this NWO is a US problem and not really a One World Government (OWG)..

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EDIT: I might add... The only people I hear that are against a OWG are US citizens...

The rest of us seem to be rather ok with it and see nothing wrong. Maybe this is a problem with YOUR Government and country, rather than a problem for the rest of us?

Perhaps what you say is true, maybe the NWO is just a US problem. But if so, then why is it called 'New WORLD Order'???

The rest of the world may seem to be rather ok with it and see nothing wrong. Course, that could be cuz it's starting in OUR neck of the woods and doesn't seem to be affecting you at all. Yet..... But I'm betting that it's starting with the US first of all cuz of who we are, that IF the NWO goes fully into place here, every other country in the world will see that if we can be taken down, they'll just fall into line knowing it won't work to fight it.

Lucky you, you can run if happens to us, but you can't hide.

NOMW

Originally posted by secretsoldier
I'm sorry but the idea that anyone could enslave the American population is somewhat ridiculous. Who do you people imagine would be the actual military force behind all of this? I'm sure our soldiers in Iraq right now would have more than a few problems when they are ordered to walk into the house down the street and send their neighbors to prison camp because they refused to give up the right to vote.

Am not sure how much knowledge you've gotten so far, regarding the NWO, so I'm glad you are asking questions. The way to undo the New World Order enslavement agenda is through knowledge and honest information. Hope you're sitting down and ready to hear some hard-hitting truth.

President Bush and his administration, along with his dad, and many others, are only some of those behind the NWO enslavement agenda, to begin with the United States first.

You are right, I'm sure our soldiers in Iraq right now WOULD have more than a few problems with that. Why do you suppose Pres. Bush has gone against nearly everyone's advice, (both here and abroad), sending more of our troops into Iraq? Do you think it's possibly because if all of our troops, including our Reserves units, are kept busy in another country fighting a war we have no business being involved with in the first place -- wouldn't that set up a 'convenient' time for the Pres. and the NWO cohorts to make their move against America?????

And to answer your question about who would be the military force behind this? That's easy enough to answer. That 'military force' is already here... Gas chambers already set up. The military force is already in place in each of the 600+ camps, just waiting for the signal to go. They are foreign military members. Chinese and Russian, for two examples, who would have no problem at all with marching Americans from their homes and into the camps. No problem at all with gassing those who refuse to go along with being chipped, etc.

There are many many references to these things on the net! You can do an online search, and you can also check out the link that follows. At that link, read thru the page and check out the tons of links at the top of the page. Much of this info and unfortunately much much more is there:

educate-yourself.org...

NOMW



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