Scientists find Extraterrestrial genes in Human DNA

You do realise that this stands out as complete BS to anyone that has even the most remote understanding of DNA don't you?

DNA is coded in complimentary base pairs. Adenine matches with thymine, and guanine matches with cytosine. This is how our DNA is able to replice when the double helix unravels. A and T, and C and G match therefore it always knows how to rebuild itself.

Each set of three base pairs makes up a codon, eg. TTA, CCG, GTA, ATC, etc. These codons code for different proteins.

So basically, when you look at DNA coding its really just a VERY long line of variations of A, T, C and G.

Certain parts of this code are isolated (from indicators within the code) to produce different compounds. This is how polymerase chain reactions are done, the breaking parts are known and then split, each persons DNA is different in length in certain parts and therefore will move through the gel in the electrophoresis chamber at different rates according to their size.

Junk DNA has been known about since the late 80s if I recall correctly. It is by no means alien. Such DNA could be attributable to many things such as vestigial ancestor traits, viruses (was part of the explanation while I was studying though I'm not 100% what is thought about this today), or could have some purpose which human science is currently unaware of. My knowledge of junk DNA isn't too flash, but its the same Ts, Cs, As, and Gs, that we see throughout the DNA strand.

Even better here are some wiki quotes:

junk" DNA is a collective label for the portions of the DNA sequence of a chromosome or a genome for which no function has yet been identified

conservation of some junk DNA over many millions of years of evolution

8% of human junk DNA has been shown to be formed by retrotransposons of Human Endogenous Retroviruses (HERVs)[

Ill stop here I think you get the picture.

Even though the purpose of this DNA is largely unknown, there is no reason to say it is alien at all.

And for those of you who deny evolution, please try to educate yourself in the area. While there are some gaps, the evidence for is overwhelming. Speciation being a great example even though on a small scale. You could start with the finches of the Galapagos islands.

And finally, to say that DNA is alien, you would have to have an alien source to compare to. DNA is really just a simple code.

I am by no means an expert on DNA, this is a rundown in its simplest form but I think you get the picture. Identifying alien DNA is preposterous, unless you have a real alien to compare it to.

Originally posted by Tom Bedlam
I guess "he doesn't work there and it's all manky bollocks" isn't a desirable conclusion for Dr Salla?

Well, Dr. Salla says that he's very interested in the possibility of ET junk interwoven into human DNA, and he says more than once that it's even likely that there is alien junk in human DNA. So he's not a debunker of the theory...rather, Salla is trying not to contaminate his own research by lending credibility to the story about Professor Sam Chang, who doesn't seem to exist.

— Doc Velocity

Originally posted by Thodeph
Supporting arguments:

Dr. Francis Crick himself, co-discoverer of DNA, argued in his 1981 book 'Life Itself', that DNA could be the result of extraterrestrial genetic engineering.
Biographical Information

An interesting "tangent" is that, when INTERVIEWED... again... saw it... cannot for the life of me, remember where... Crick actually went a step further and stated outright "DNA is NOT of this world".

Interesting!

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: paul
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 5:50:02 PM
Subject: Sam Chang, Human Genome Project


Dr. Chang,

Sir, I apologize for the intrusion. I recently read an article originating from the Human Genome Project about Junk DNA, and the relevence of the extraterrestrial influence over the same. The widely respected scientist who engaged this study and provided this conclusion, ironically enough, also shares your very name.

I am trying to confirm or deny the validity of that article. Sir, are you the Dr. Sam Chang appearing in the article below? If you are, I commend you on your accomplishment as well as your courage and bravery for "sounding off" for all Humanity with such an overwhelmingly significant discovery... one of the most significant in all Human History. WELL DONE! . And should you not be the aforementioned "Sam Chang", please accept, again, my most sincere apologies for intruding.

Thanks so much for your time and consideration, Sir.

Here is the article of which I write:

Article on The Canadian website

I'm also sort of puzzled with the illustration of the woman that accompanies the Canadian article. The caption reads: Artistic representation from Eyewitness testimony of Asket, the extraterrestrial human woman, reference: www.gaiaguys.net

So I took a look at GaiaGuys.net

...which is some sort of off-the-wall UFO-politics-conspiracy theory everything, everything, everything website based in Australia, I guess. Definitely not the first source I'd choose for reference if I was trying to publish a credible science article.

— Doc Velocity

Francis Crick's impressions are indeed extremely revealing. He gives the probable influence by off-planet cultures on humanity much more credence.

On the origin of DNA:
"Coming full circle to his groundbreaking discovery of DNA's structure, Crick wondered, if life began in the great "primeval soup" suggested by the Miller/Urey experiment, why there wouldn't be a multitude of genetic materials among the different life forms. Instead, all life on Earth shares the same basic DNA structure."
Astrobiology Magazine

In private correspondence with marine biologist Dr. E Hamilton, Crick's panspermia theory takes the form of an actual artificial seeding of life on this planet by extraterrestrials. He even reflected on its mechanism:

"I realize the delivery problem for capsules of microorganisms has to be
solved but I don’t think that will prove too difficult. However, I think the space-ship would have to be decelerated, which implies that the rocket motors and controls must still work after a long journey in space."
Letter from Francis Crick to Eric Hamilton

This is all besides the point.

There 'may' be alien genetics in our DNA but you would never know until you had a variety of alien sources to sample.

Just because something is unknown doesn't mean its alien.

Who is to say that this junk DNA isn't part of some of our earliest organisms passed down?

The point being you can't just look at DNA and say OMG its so different its alien because its simply a coding using 4 variables.

There was a theory floating around that Eukaryotes were able to come about due to one organism using anothers DNA for functions within the cell, namely mitochondria. Hence the term, mitochondrial DNA. Far from alien but something to think about.

Scientists postulate all the time, this is no different. A possibility, but there is no evidence for or against and likely never will be.

Validation of this theory would likely require impossible feats of luck. You would have to independently find life (microbial preferrably) in space that are of the same or very very closely related species.

You can't just jump on everything when the word alien is used, its a large reason why science treats these fields the way it does.

Originally posted by seenitall
This is all besides the point.

Actually, this topic is about alien/human DNA, and discussion of that curiosity is the point.

Is it possible? Anything is possible. Is it probable? I don't think so, given what we know about DNA on planet Earth — much of the same DNA is shared by every living thing on Earth, hinting at a single point of origin for microbial, botanical and biological life perhaps 3.5 billion years ago. I mean, a banana is 51% the same DNA as a human being, so we'd have a better chance of proving that bananas somehow engineered human biology. And why not?

I agree, we have no control samples for making "alien" DNA identification. There's junk coding in our DNA, but that doesn't mean it's extraterrestrial. Then, again, that's the whole controversy behind UFOlogy — that there are certainly unidentified objects in the sky from time to time, no denying it, but calling them "extraterrestrial" is leaping to conclusions without the slightest proof.

That's why we're all waiting breathlessly for that day when a planetary probe returns a simple vial of brownish slime from an icy puddle on Mars or someplace, so we can run DNA tests on it and begin comparisons in earnest.

In the meantime, why not practice with the junk coding of Earthly DNA, as if it was alien DNA? I mean, if anyone out there is actually performing such research, who's to say that it isn't allowing us to hone our genetic technology and methodology for a day when the real thing appears? It can't hurt to practice, can it?

— Doc Velocity



[edit on 3/1/2007 by Doc Velocity]

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by Tom Bedlam
I guess "he doesn't work there and it's all manky bollocks" isn't a desirable conclusion for Dr Salla?

Well, Dr. Salla says that he's very interested in the possibility of ET junk interwoven into human DNA, and he says more than once that it's even likely that there is alien junk in human DNA. So he's not a debunker of the theory...rather, Salla is trying not to contaminate his own research by lending credibility to the story about Professor Sam Chang, who doesn't seem to exist.

— Doc Velocity

It sounds like he's lost his neutrality and is making up rather unlikely explanations to preserve his pet conjecture. Dr Chang doesn't seem to exist in terms of published work, has no known connection to the group and the people there deny he exists - therefore - a government coverup has taken place and he is working on classified material.

Instead of, say, it was all bollocks.

Had he said something (and meant it) on the order of "We have been unable to verify the existence of Chang, therefore we must for now conclude that the information was apocryphal" it would not have been so obvious. When you get this "true believer" thing going in science, no matter how well intended, you get output that is similar to the Tobacco Institute or the Creation Scientists.

Nice article, but the fact that Eduard 'Billy' Meier is presented as a great source for ET evidence just troubles me VERY much. Hence, I'm tempted to think the whole of this article is, well, sensation... Although it has so much 'good stuff' in it. But Eduard 'Billy' Meier?


Staafke

This thread is STILL going?.... It lost all credibility with me when I read:

"...The alien chunks within Human DNA, Professor Chang further observes, “have its own veins, arteries, and its own immune system that vigorously resists all our anti-cancer drugs.”



Total utter CRAP!!! Professor Chang knows as much about Molecular Biology as Professor Griff!!!

Originally posted by Staafke
Nice article, but the fact that Eduard 'Billy' Meier is presented as a great source for ET evidence just troubles me VERY much.

Well, it reflects on the credibility of the publication, no doubt — as does the reference to gaiaguys.net, whose website is like reading a Dr. Bronner's soap bottle.

— Doc Velocity

[edit on 3/2/2007 by Doc Velocity]

LOL practise.

You have no idea about the scientific process obviously but I forgive you.

This is why scientists laugh at you all. You all want to believe too hard. Theres nothing wrong with that as long as it is placed in the correct areas. This is stupid. You cannot practise pretending we have alien DNA. Its stupid and very unscientific.

It is one form of science. That being psuedoscience.

BTW, unidentified objects in the sky are far more credible than saying unknown DNA code must be alien just because you want it to be.

Possible but discusson is useless and a waste of time unless you have aliens to compare to. Case closed.

[edit on 2-3-2007 by seenitall]

Originally posted by seenitall
You have no idea about the scientific process obviously but I forgive you.

Oh, thank you, thank you for your forgiveness. I was going to fret terribly without your forgiveness. Actually, I have a very good idea of the "scientific process," although I think you meant to say "scientific method," the procedures for validating hypotheses through repeatable experimentation and determining, more than anything else, what your results do not mean. It's more a method of elimination than it is proving what your results do mean — that's what makes science so rigorous and demanding, eliminating those damned dead-ends. It's also what makes scientists so incredibly boring and socially repellent.

Originally posted by seenitall
This is why scientists laugh at you all.

So, 5% of the humans on Earth are laughing uproariously at the other 95%, eh? That sort of behavior will certainly get you bounced out of a pub and into the street. No wonder scientists are such a socially repellent minority. Do scientists also laugh heartily at their scientific predecessors who thought just 20 years ago that chicken eggs were ticking time bombs of deadly cholesterol? Talk about bad science, and yet it fueled an industry of "egg substitutes" for years and years. Do scientists chortle at any idea that doesn't fall into their tiny, existential 10-year-window of "valid science"? They must be yucking it up all the time.

Originally posted by seenitall
This is stupid. You cannot practise pretending we have alien DNA. Its stupid and very unscientific.

Why not? If we can pretend that chicken eggs must be replaced with cholesterol-free "substitutes," or pretend that our herbivorous livestock can survive on recycled meat proteins, then we can pretend anything. What is most hilarious about scientists is that they consistently get it wrong, refute their own findings, and seldom think all the way through to the consequences of their labors. For more on this, see pollution, weapons of mass destruction, mad cow disease, et cetera, ad infinitum.

— Doc Velocity

Originally posted by Staafke
Nice article, but the fact that Eduard 'Billy' Meier is presented as a great source for ET evidence just troubles me VERY much. Hence, I'm tempted to think the whole of this article is, well, sensation...

Although it has so much 'good stuff' in it. But Eduard 'Billy' Meier?

Staafke

I noted this fact too. I do not know if Billy Meier is COMPLETELY a fraud either, though. There are DEFINITELY some photos that were posed from that side that simply looked "preposterous"....

BUT...

This does NOT necessarily NEGATE the man's claim... we are dealing with BLACK and WHITE should we subscribe to this line of thinking, no?

To me, it is "preposterous" to NOT know that ... I cannot remember which one of us had the experience with the "covert US scientists" that were doing the "evil" things... whereas ET was the "kewlguy"... they can play upon our DEEPEST FEARS to successfully implement their plan. In the case of the aforementioned... He explains that he "came to" when one of the scientists was positioned "near his head".

There are MANY... not a couple, but MANY... accounts of the gray "getting close to your head". Even in here I have heard this story. Does it not strike you as "strange" that the aforementioned subject awoke in the middle of his WORST NIGHTMARE... A TRUTH that would show us that the US Government is behind the WHOLE THING.

When the gray maneuvers himself in such a position... understand this: ONE permutation you must consider, is that he/it is "downloading" everything about you. INCLUDING YOUR WORST FEARS. This is obviously one of the subject/victim's WORST FEARS.

Hence, the appearance of "waking up" in the middle of some Covert US Government Science Experiment. Mr "gray" got in position... downloaded his WORLD... and then implemented one of those WORST FEARS in their "holodeck" imagery to secure your COOPERATION.

This activity/procedure will vary on an INDIVIDUAL BASIS. Guess what that does to us, being a species that DOES NOT TRUST ITSELF (meaning we don't trust each other)??? It makes us DOUBT each other... it makes us FIGHT amongst ourselves... and most importantly... IT EFFECTIVELY ISOLATES THE PERSON MAKING THE CLAIMS.

Case in point: FROZENTHOUGHT.

ATS thinks that the video IS fake... so there must be NO foundation to ANY of his claim, right?

As an investigator, I consider this a VERY dangerous line of thinking, don't you? I mean... doesn't it seem like you're setting yourself up to simply MISS information that COULD BE crucial to your STERILE investigation?

I think this applies to the MEIER case, as well... BUT... in no way changes the fact that some of the "evidence" in that case looks like it was hoaxed by the Brady Kids... LOL!

SPout

Originally posted by Southpaw11
Case in point: FROZENTHOUGHT.

ATS thinks that the video IS fake... so there must be NO foundation to ANY of his claim, right?

As an investigator, I consider this a VERY dangerous line of thinking, don't you?

Well Southpaw, you stated in your thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The Human Genome Project geneticists have come forward and PUBLICLY STATED that the "JunkDNA" found in Human DNA IS... not MAY BE... but IS... of extraterrestrial origin.

And it is shown this is not true. I wouldn't call that great investigation. I see now you are questioning this a bit, which is good.

I suspect most people with see that there were many explainations left unaddressed by FROZENTHOUGHT in his UFO thread.

Originally posted by roadgravel

Originally posted by Southpaw11
Case in point: FROZENTHOUGHT.

ATS thinks that the video IS fake... so there must be NO foundation to ANY of his claim, right?

As an investigator, I consider this a VERY dangerous line of thinking, don't you?

Well Southpaw, you stated in your thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The Human Genome Project geneticists have come forward and PUBLICLY STATED that the "JunkDNA" found in Human DNA IS... not MAY BE... but IS... of extraterrestrial origin.

And it is shown this is not true. I wouldn't call that great investigation. I see now you are questioning this a bit, which is good.

I suspect most people with see that there were many explainations left unaddressed by FROZENTHOUGHT in his UFO thread.

*smiles* ... I respectfully disagree. Not "proven" necessarily so much as "stated to be false" at this juncture, no? No disrespect intended. Just stating the facts.

I've not gotten a return email from Dr. Chang yet either... THAT could mean any number of things as well...

I agree with you on your comment regarding FrozenThought too. BUT... if we go back and review, I think we've gotta consider the guy's state, his level of presumption...

More than anything... the "mob mentality" that really did smash that guy good. He is dealing with other "symptoms" that are MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT than a "UFO sighting". Anybody can look up and say... "oh look at the pretty lights... GET MY VIDEO CAMERA!!" LOL! Right?

NOT everybody can, via STANDARDIZED SURVEY math themselves up against THOUSANDS of other "test subjects" or "victims" without KNOWING about the "database" against which their responses are being compared. Would you agree?

HE DID.

Just a thought. HIS "answers" matched up against THOUSANDS that claim abductee status as well. I heard from Joe Moldano on C2C that there are MORE THAN 500,000,000 REPORTED cases of abduction worldwide at this time.

I don't necessarily know how he could possibly get that statistic as (a) it changes everyday (b) reporting legitimacy may be skewed from "reporting center" to "reporting center". Just the same... He must be confident in the number. I'd like to see his "sourcing" on that one. I don't doubt it for a second either. In fact, I'd say it's probably AT LEAST DOUBLE THAT NUMBER due to the fact that it is not considered "acceptable' to "bring up ET" within most social circles at this time, no? HMMMMM... well then how we gonna get to the bottom of this?!?!? LOL!

Southpaw

Originally posted by Southpaw11
In fact, I'd say it's probably AT LEAST DOUBLE THAT NUMBER due to the fact that it is not considered "acceptable' to "bring up ET" within most social circles at this time, no?

Roughly 6.7 billion people on the planet now. So your rough estimate is one out of every seven people is an abductee?

Jeez, I didn't know the Celtic, Irish, and Native American peoples were that numerous. Somehow, you'd think the Chinese would be on that list too.

Originally posted by Southpaw11
*smiles* ... I respectfully disagree. Not "proven" necessarily so much as "stated to be false" at this juncture, no? No disrespect intended. Just stating the facts.

You keep playing both sides of the issue.

I had the same thought as Mr. Penny when you stated you abduction numbers. Given 1 in 7 (a billion chances), by sheer accident, someone should have a fairly close up, detailed picture of a ET craft or ET entity. Maybe a security video.