NEWS: Gas like smell in NewYork?

Originally posted by Neon Haze
Don't know what it is, but don't worry it's not dangerous...... That is a very telling statement... Throwing the baby out with the bathwater....

I agree it's a bit illogical, but perhaps not as much as it seems. We do have many sniffer sensors scattered around the city to detect known dangerous substances in the air, so he really means the odor wasn't caused by any known dangerous substance programmed into these machines. Of course, that's not as a sure statement as just a blanket "we know it's not dangerous."

Interesting. While most of the news agencies are telling, that are only 2 people was hospitalized yesterday, Havaria and other agencies are telling, that number is 19.

hisz.rsoe.hu...

And here is an interesting detail again... yesterday the wind above NYC was blew toward North, slightly North-East. Today's Havaria report mentioning already this (Bedford is slightly above Boston, North, North-East to NYC)...

Health officials were investigating an outbreak of the Norwalk virus at a Bedford nursing home Monday. Officials said that 36 people, including 10 staff members, were infected by the virus at the Ridgewood Center, the second nursing home to be affected by Norwalk virus recently. The illness can cause vomiting and diarrhea, and officials said it spreads easily. Director of Public Health Mary Ann Cooney said that it's common this time of year because people spend more time inside, and it usually isn't dangerous. Cooney said the best way to prevent the spread of the virus it proper hand-washing.

Also strange, while the Norwalk is not really was active since it's first outbreak, which was in 1968, many have occured in 2006 and now on today.

* December 28, 2006: A potent outbreak has occurred in Sarnia, Ontario recently and has forced Bluewater Health Services (Sarnia General Hospital) to close the 4th Floor and quarantine 17 people.

* December 26, 2006: Public health officials in Madison, Wisconsin announced an outbreak of the virus, striking about 60 attendees of holiday parties at the Monona Terrace Convention Center and Edgewater Hotel as well as smaller outbreaks at some hospitals and nursing homes. Nearly 100 cases had been reported at that time.

* December 2006, 373 people in Indianapolis, Indiana, infected at an Olive Garden restaurant. Three were known to have been hospitalized. The restaurant was closed, scrubbed, and reopened.

* December 2006, infection by the virus reaches its peak in Japan. According to the National Institute of Infectious Diseases 65638 people have been infected in one week from November 27 to December 3 nationwide, mainly in hotels, hospitals and other facilities. Also 6 people have been reported dead, especially among the elderly.

* Mid-December 2006, More than 50 students at a UC Berkeley housing cooperative were stricken with the virus, infecting several others around campus as well.

* Mid-December 2006, More than 60 students at Catholic University of America in Washington, DC were stricken with the virus. [3].

* Also in mid-December 2006, about 50 residents at a nursing home in Bathurst, New Brunswick, were stricken with the virus causing the institution to be put under quarantine.

* Also in mid-December 2006, several cases were reported in Whiteside County, in northwestern Illinois.

* Also in mid-December 2006, about 80 residents of the Bonnie Brae Terrace in Belmont, California, were stricken, prompting health officials to quarantine the facility. The outbreak quickly spread as far south as Palmdale, California, north of Los Angeles.

* Also in December 2006, almost 100 passengers and crew aboard the Sun Princess became ill, suffering from what is believed to be a norovirus. [4]

* In early December 2006 more than 380 passengers and crew aboard Royal Caribbean's Freedom of the Seas were sickened by a virus during a seven-day Caribbean cruise. [5]

* In early December 2006 Japan was hit by an outbreak of a common stomach virus, prompting the prime minister to call for steps to deal with infections that reached a record high. Over 65,600 people throughout the country are thought to have been infected by norovirus between November 27 and December 3. That would make it the most number of cases reported in Japan since records began being kept in 1989.[6]

And there are others, like the Cruise ship Liberty in Nov 2006 and the Freedom of Seas in Dec 2006.

this "supposed" area 51 employee had this to say about the phoenix lights. I thought his comments relevant because he discusses the real purpose behind the lights concerning spreading a gas over phoenix.

The Phoenix lights were actually a military project, the brainchild of Area 51 strategists. What the Phoenix lights actually were, were cutting-edge technology at the time, these special hovering flares that were released in a stretegic position to create the illusion of a massive aircraft, a mothership, or what have you. And they actually released a type of blanket of gas to block out the stars and create the illusion that this was a solid body, and not just a pattern of unjoined lights or flares--which they actually were. ..................... The purpose of this illusion of a massive UFO, or whatever it was supposed to be, was actually to divert attention from experimental chemicals that the military was releasing on Phoenix that night. Now, I can niether confirm nor deny the actual purpose of these chemicals, but the rumor amongst us lower-tier members of Area 51, the base chatter and talk was, that the chemicals were actually--had some type of immunization quality, and were supposed to protect against biological attacks, certain biological attacks. So, in essence, the population of Phoenix--at least a part of it--were actually being used as guinea pigs.

[edit on 9-1-2007 by hiii_98]

Originally posted by djohnsto77
I agree it's a bit illogical, but perhaps not as much as it seems. We do have many sniffer sensors scattered around the city to detect known dangerous substances in the air, so he really means the odour wasn't caused by any known dangerous substance programmed into these machines. Of course, that's not as a sure statement as just a blanket "we know it's not dangerous."

What if these sensors are not just attached to some alarm.. but also some kind of fast response protection system?? Wouldn't that make sense??

I personally believe that the gas is in fact a counter chemical/biological response... Propagated by the US Govt as a defence mechanism.

Do you really think we would not have put some kind of system in place given the current level of threat??

Take a look at this..

Experimental Compound Reduces Lung Damage after Radiation

date : 10/18/2005

DURHAM, N.C. – A single dose of an experimental compound called 1D11 successfully prevented severe lung damage from occurring in mice that underwent radiation therapy to treat lung cancers. The researchers from the Duke Comprehensive Cancer Centre who performed the experiments say the same potential exists to decrease lung injury – and potentially heal existing damage --in humans receiving radiation.

Clinical trials in humans should begin within two years, said the research team.

This said human trials in 2 years?? Posted 2005???

Stock in the company 'Genzyme' that make this experimental drug '1D11' are up...



and this worrying news...

Polonium 210 kills if inhaled

I'm just connecting the dots... the picture appears to be one of US attempting to protect itself against an attack.

All the best,

NeoN HaZe.

[edit on 9-1-2007 by Neon Haze]

Originally posted by Neon Haze
I'm just connecting the dots... the picture appears to be one of US attempting to protect itself against an attack.

As someone posted earlier though, there's too many variables in handling airborne spread--there surely would have to be a more efficient manner of protecting everyone, no?

Especially if the chemicals are supposed to be a cure rather than a vaccine--IOW, trying to fix people who are already contaminated, rather than just flowing along with whatever agents are in the air.

I dunno...I can see it being a possibility; I would hope they'd have a backup plan at least, just in case the wind changes.

the local DEP folks are blaming Jersey. For those of you that don't know, Jersey stinks. Like bad armpits or, on worse days, like butt cheese.

It all makes sense now.

Whenever I smell something nasty, I usually automatically blame New Jersey. It's a nasty place just across the river from midtown and the upper west side.

[edit on 1/9/2007 by djohnsto77]

Originally posted by Crakeur
the local DEP folks are blaming Jersey. For those of you that don't know, Jersey stinks. Like bad armpits or, on worse days, like butt cheese.

It all makes sense now.

Errrmmm and just exactly how is it you know what butt cheese smells like???

LOL Just kidding.... Known as a WISE CRACK lol



Seriously though, I very much doubt anyone could point the finger and say where the smell emanated.. Most reports I read said that the smell lessened in intensity the further away from Manhattan they got.

I wonder if anyone had the fore thought to go and actually take a sample of the air and pay for a true chemical analysis.

All the best,

NeoN HaZe.

[edit on 9-1-2007 by Neon Haze]

In another thread discussing the Houston gas cloud a poster from NJ said the smell was like 'rotting fruit'. Is that what other NY/NJ people are saying? Clearly that would rule-out mercaptan.

Apparently the smell was strong in Bayonne NJ and the DEP folks said they were fairly sure the smell was coming from a swamp or marsh in Jersey.

If you've ever driven thru jersey you know that there are some areas where a fart is refreshing. When we would drive thru Jersey on the way to school in New Orleans (another city that can get somewhat "gamey") we would roll the windows up if someone cut one.

What confuses me about this situation is the lack of media coverage, last night when I got in from work after following this thread for most of the day, I decided to see if any of this was being shown on TV, however there wasn't a single mention of it on CNN and CNN headline news. I'm in Canada and I don't get any other US based news stations except FOX but I didn't catch the evening news on it. Was none of this shown on TV? Or was it all just covered during the daytime and not mentioned in the evening?

it didn't make the first few pages of the NY Daily News, which was surprising, given the amount of attention it received yesterday. Everyone was talking about it.

Originally posted by Crakeur
Apparently the smell was strong in Bayonne NJ and the DEP folks said they were fairly sure the smell was coming from a swamp or marsh in Jersey.

If you've ever driven thru jersey you know that there are some areas where a fart is refreshing.

As long as I can remember there has always been a particularly powerful smell of rotten eggs coming from certain areas of Jersey. Near where all those damn powerplants and factories are. Admittedly I don't venture into Jersey much, but when driving from Manhattan to Atlantic City there are a few areas of Northern Jersey that really do smell like the sulfuric pits of hell. Bizarre weather pattern blew that unpleasant smell into the city? Plausible I suppose.

Either way it wasn't natgas because ConEd said that our natgas pressure levels did not dip and I believe that a release able to be smelled for so many miles would have caused a noticeable dip in pressure levels.

Originally posted by DjarumsAs long as I can remember there has always been a particularly powerful smell of rotten eggs coming from certain areas of Jersey.

One of the many reasons why the state motto is "The Armpit Of The Nation"

The state bird is a dead pigeon and the state flower is the Stinkhorn Fungus.

I've been told that the general Jersey funk is limited to areas surrounding I-95. Because of the smell though, I've always avoided Jersey. That and Bruce Springstein.

perhaps the whole stink thing was a ploy set up by the NYS Bureau of Tourism to get people to avoid visiting Jersey and spend their tourism bucks in a state that normally smells like pancakes and maple syrup.

there's a conspiracy here people. y'all need to take off the foil hats and put on the thinking caps and figger dis one out.

there was this doctor guy on FOX yesterday and he said the smell could be some sort of natural mold, bacteria, algae growth kind of thing due to the unseasonably warm weather. He also said that the detectors the City has wouldn't be able to pick up on that type of cause.

I'm wondering if anyone else thinks that this might be the most plausible cause for this "smell"?

That certainly seems possible.

The city's sensors are most likely not looking for such substances due to the fact that they're naturally occurring, and not harmful.

The unusually warm weather has been playing games with a lot of stuff in our region. Birds don't know where to go. Neither do insects. I had a mosquito in my house the other day. A mosquito. In January.

I may have missed it on the previous pages...is it possible the smell is coming from one of the sewage treatment plants between NJ and NY?

Here in Vancouver we have the Iona Sewage Plant just across the river on the Richmond side and the methane/gassy smell is pretty much constant especially with a bit of SW/W wind. The smell reaches fairly far too on a bad day.

A couple of weeks ago when we had some massive rain...the smell was 10X stronger than it's ever been and a lot of people complained.

Has something similar been ruled out for New York? or do they still insist they don't know what it is or from whence it comes?

Poor NJ...having to be the butt (cheese) of all the jokes...ha ha ha.

I know this may sound farfectched......
But since Manhattan is a rock and an island
is this possibly something from an expanding ocean event??