Israel Plotting Tactical Nuclear Strike on Iranian Nuclear Facilities

Wouldn't surprise me. It seems like they get away with a little more as everyday goes by.

If they do attack, I'm sure it will be full out war in the east. I highly doubt that allowing Israel to acquire nuclear weapons and nuclear capable sub-marines to be in any nations interest. No country should be allowed to own them.

I think the US involvement in Iran is sometime in the future, so it wouldn't surprise me for israel to do this.

Originally posted by St Udio
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'If we have such capabilities...."

?Wasn't there a small flurry when the USA was caught shipping DU Bunker Buster missiles/or bombs, thru British military terminals, to some middle east destination,
right as the summer '06 Labanon/Israel War was going on?

"Caught" shipping bunkerbusters? I think announced, became aware, public knowledge, etc... would be better terminology with regards to weapons sales. Caught would imply "the French were caught selling nuclear technology, and surface to air missiles to....."

FYI bunkerbusters aren't DU.

The evil israeli regime at it again. The axis of evil is USA-Israel-Britain, they are the biggest threat to world peace.

Originally posted by artyd
Ignorance is bliss.

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Why did you delete your post?

Your opinion, especially being an Israeli living in Israel is very relevant to this discussion. Your language was a bit harsh, however, I'd like to hear more from you, and why you believe so strongly that the leaked information reportedly from Israeli military sources is "bull#"

Also you spoke of having access to inside information that could prove that these reports are false.

Can you elaborate more on this?

Your post was quoted and recorded by another member here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Please feel free to enlighten us.

I think Israel is well within its rights to do so, but I hope if they do it properly, and that no fallout occurs.

Whilst it could be sensible to take out Iran's Nuke threat, it could also backfire, and ignite a serious situation in the ME

The times has been wrong before about secret Israeli plans

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Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
Couldnt Iran take these statements as public threats and follow by the example of the US and launch a "pre-emptive" strike against Israel , for fear of being attacked first?


It wouldnt be considered wrong because the US led by example?

if only the world is a fair place but it isn't, nice post

Originally posted by Vitchilo

2- Casualties won't be that much because Isreal will use BunkerBusters..

And? Do you know where all the installations are located? I studied everything about the possibility of a nuclear strike with bunker buster against Iran and it was VERY VERY deadly and from the own CIA analysis, it would kill over 3 millions civilians.

Hell, it's nuclear weapons, not just little bunker buster.

And I suggest that if any country use nukes against Iran, all the others nuclear powers nuke back. Hell, you don't use nuclear weapons against someone else.

Exactly why do you think they were built, and don't tell me that deterent stuff cause its non sense. Every weapon built, was built to be used unless the builder doesn't get the chance to use it. Dont be fooled by what you see or hear, a nuclear war will happen soon or later, its inevitable.
Humans have track record of war and destruction, long before nukes were built. Look around you and you will see the truth nothing has changed.

Clue 1) The british goverment has voted in favour of building new nuclear
weapons even though the old ones are still fine for the next 13 yrs.

Originally posted by ch1466
Nor is is likely that a full 1.2MT detonation would be required. The B61-11 would give you sufficient strata coupling to destroy targets beneath 70ft of mixed RFC and Dirt at little more than .5-2KT.

Ch,

I will try to dig up the link to a thread I started based on an AWST article last year seemed to give a figure of 130 feet of layered packed dirt sanwiched with reinforced concrete (A few satelite pictures showing it as well) It may take a bit more than 0.5 to 2KT to do the trick. I asked my dad who at one point was an expert in deep mine engineering and he was not sure about how well the pressure wave would travel through the dirt and concrete layers that deep (And who knows really how far they have dug down after having watched the USAF go to town on Iraqi bunkers) With the goal of collapsing these underground structures you may need Supersize just to get it done.

Originally posted by grover
There was an article from an Israeli newspaper a few weeks back posted on www.watchingamerica.com discussing this very thing. I went back to try and find it but it had been removed. IHave to say, it was one thing for Israel to hit Saddam's nuclear program in the 80's but if they try this with Iran, I have a feeling that they will bite off far more than they can chew. Iran is not Iraq, even in Saddam's heyday. It could very well blow up in their (and our) face big time.

If isreal does attack there will be consequences but i think they will still come out on top because they are being backed by you know who

Originally posted by The Vagabond
B- Just use a ballistic missile.

I would agree with you in that Isreal's Jherico-2 missile has the range and throw weight for just such a missionIRBM. But.............

Unless I am wrong (Ch1446 may know) most IRBM/ICBM's are airburst rather than ground burst and even if fused for a ground level detonation are unlikely to carry the necessry hardened warheads needed to penetrate the protection over the facilites to a sufficent depth to knock them out.

I think that the "Russia will never allow it" angle is a little simplistic.

Nations with an interest in Iran will be looking at a middle east that has been destabilized to a degree which is hard to anticipate, an ongoing war between Israel and Iran, but so far no serious damage to oil infrastructure.

The immediate security of the intervening party is not at stake so they have time to weigh their options.

Option 1: Nuke Israel, risk Israeli retaliation on Arab capitals and oil hubs, not to mention Russia if they are the attacking party, and most of Europe if they go with the Sampson Scenario. Result: tank the global economy, create anarchy in the middle east, completely destroy Israel, cripple Europe and Russia, create serious tensions between China and Russia over Siberia for want of Middle Eastern oil, and have America pissed at pretty much everybody.

Option 2: Use retaliation as a blackmail card against not only Israel but the US, thus forcing the US to apply enough pressure in cooperation to end the war and force reparations. Start dreaming up ways to destroy Israel's nuclear program in one shot at a later date, with adequate preparation.

Option 3: Conventional attack on Israel to force surrender to the above-mentioned terms- gambling on the idea that they won't start a nuclear war if you're not demanding territory.

Please...if an historic international outlaw nation had threatened to wipe your people off the map what would you do?also what would your countrymen expect you to do??as ive said months ago israel will not permit the iranian developement of the bomb.im no prophet..just studied mideast politics/terror for the last 25yrs.time will tell...

Does it bug anyone else that even though this may or may not be true , that there has been absolutely no response from Iran? I wouldn't be surprised if Iran seeing Israeli military activity takes the initiative and cue from Israels past and pre-emptively attacks them. I think it would be just desserts to a country that uses the pre-emption card so often and with such ease.

After watching Munich last night fo the first time it just showed even more proof that the Israeli government, even though Spielberg attempted to make them seem so concerned for innocent people , just did as they pleased by entering other countries and blew up whatever they felt was retribution. I consider them to be extremely dangerous.

OK I found an article that states Irans reply. Its not very much by way of a retort. Its part of an article regarding Israels threat.

In Tehran, Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini told a news conference that the newspaper report "will make clear to the world public opinion that the Zionist regime is the main menace to global peace and the region."

He said "any measure against Iran will not be left without a response and the invader will regret its act immediately."

Source

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a war of aggression is seen as one of the ultimate violations of international humanitarian law
hell, it was set up at the nuremburg trials

ooo
that's so ironic it stings

The largest event of irony is Israel attacking Iran, so that Iran doesn't threaten to attack them. Does Israel honestly think after their attack that everyone in Iran will be pleased with Israel's actions and want to have peace with someone who attacked them?

most `western` type of warheds are airburst , to clear the surface of a target - but have little penertration of the ground, these mean they are `cleaner` than ground burst warheads simply becuase they don`t `suck up` as much debris - russian warheads are mostly of the ground burst type - to make up for less accuracy they use bigger warheads and make them hit the ground before going `bang`


but - i posted last year about these so called bunker busters - its a misnomer and just spin - even the deep buried test shots have breached the surface , several hundred feet down - so in efect all thet will happen is a kt class warhead is dropped onto the target - they want to use an american pr word for just ground bursting a warhead.


as for a response? i believe that israel will be hit back in kind - as i do believe that iran HAS a bomb - most likely of chinese or pakistan origin. don`t forget that saudi have an IRBM base as well - and they have the ability to launch kt class weapons - unlikely ofc given the `loving` relationship that the shia`s and sunni`s have .


and israel have of course learnt there trade from the ones who did it so well - nazi germany , who you must give them there due - the war machine and military were unequaled - and would still have been if mistakes wern`t made - but they were and so we are all free.

notice i mention military and not the extermination camps - so no jumping on me for that thank you.

Related News Links I found relevant from today's news reports...

TEHRAN, Jan. 7 (Xinhua) -- Iran said on Sunday that any measure against Iran would not remain unanswered and the attacker "would quickly regret," the official IRNA news agency reported.

"The attacker would quickly regret the action," Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad-Ali Hosseini said in response to a question on the possibility of Israel's military strike on Iran's nuclear sites.

According to a report by British newspaper The Sunday Times, Israel has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran's uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons.

"Such bragging indicates the weakness of the opposite side and would have no impact on Iran's resolve to continue its peaceful nuclear activities," Hosseini said.

Full Article Link (Chinese News Source)

Iran vows to hit back at any Israeli strike (Pakistani News Source)

TEHRAN, Jan 7 (AFP) Iran warned on Sunday it would make any foe "regret" an attack against the Islamic republic after a British newspaper reported Israel was planning a strike against its nuclear facilities. "Any action against the Islamic republic will not go without a response and the aggressor would regret the action very quickly," foreign ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini told reporters. A senior Israeli official has dismissed as "absurd" the report in The Sunday Times that the Jewish state had drawn up plans to destroy Iran's uranium enrichment facilities in a tactical nuclear strike.

Beijing asks Tehran for 'serious' response

Iran reformists slam government's nuclear policy

Saudis, France Urge Compliance From Iran

U.S. puts squeeze on Iran's oil fields

LONDON — As Washington wages a very public battle against Iran's quest for nuclear power, it is quietly gaining ground on another energy front: the oil fields that are the Islamic Republic's lifeblood.

Iran's oil industry has raked in record amounts of cash during three years of high oil prices. But a new U.S. campaign to dry up financing for oil and natural gas development poses a threat to the republic's ability to continue exporting oil over the next two decades, many analysts say.

The campaign comes at a moment of unique vulnerability for Iran's oil industry, which also faces challenges from rising domestic energy consumption, international isolation, a populist spending spree by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and trouble closing contracts with foreign oil companies — a recipe for potential disaster in a nation with one of the world's largest reservoirs of oil.

It is worth noting that Israel strongly dismissed the Sunday Times report.

From some news sources above, one from Pakistan and the other from China may not be totally credible, These were the only reports I found stating some kind of reaction from Iranian officials regarding the Sunday Times report.

The other news sources show the rising international pressure being applied on Iran to comply with UN resolutions and sanctions, along with US pressure at the economic level on Iran's financing for oil and natural gas development. All could be seen as a concerted effort to pressure Iran to suspend its uranium enrichment program, and possibly abandon its pursuit of nuclear technologies.

The leaked information from the Sunday Times, could have been a part of this increasing pressure on Iran.

Curiouser and curiouser.

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I always thought the U.S. military should get a couple of its SR-71's back from nasa and strap a couple of small nukes to them,they have the ablity to fly high enough that no one would ever know who dropped them. If you look where the U.S. military is at you'll see that they could attack Iran from two sides if Israel does do something like that.

Originally posted by lonewolf3872
I always thought the U.S. military should get a couple of its SR-71's back from nasa and strap a couple of small nukes to them,they have the ablity to fly high enough that no one would ever know who dropped them.

Can't they usually tell the point of origin from the different signatures of the radiation? I always thought they could do that.