Saddam Executed On The Worst Possible Day Of The Year - EID

Originally posted by semperfortis

NO!!!!

The issue with that comment is...as stated "Your Opinion does not matter."

You are taking it out of context. What you and I think does not matter to Muslims on the other side of the world.

[edit on 1-1-2007 by Malichai]

Originally posted by spacedoubt
Just listening to CNN
They are reporting that US officials asked repeatedly for the execution to be delayed. It almost sounded as if there was an argument.

Iraqis themselves picked the time and date.

I just heard this about 5 minutes ago..I'll see if I can find a link.

[edit on 1-1-2007 by spacedoubt]

And you believe this!? Hope not!

Originally posted by Malichai

Originally posted by spacedoubt
Just listening to CNN
They are reporting that US officials asked repeatedly for the execution to be delayed. It almost sounded as if there was an argument.

Iraqis themselves picked the time and date.

I just heard this about 5 minutes ago..I'll see if I can find a link.

[edit on 1-1-2007 by spacedoubt]

If they had second doubts it was right after giving him up.

Why not before? Why would it have to be when YOU say it was?
This Was an Iraqi decision. The US held him unitl the choice, (and the proper paperwork) was finished.

Originally posted by spacedoubt

Originally posted by Malichai

Originally posted by spacedoubt
Just listening to CNN
They are reporting that US officials asked repeatedly for the execution to be delayed. It almost sounded as if there was an argument.

Iraqis themselves picked the time and date.

I just heard this about 5 minutes ago..I'll see if I can find a link.

[edit on 1-1-2007 by spacedoubt]

If they had second doubts it was right after giving him up.

Why not before? Why would it have to be when YOU say it was?
This Was an Iraqi decision. The US held him unitl the choice, (and the proper paperwork) was finished.

It was Americas choice to hand him over. Iraq commanded no one.

We could have waited another day.

The other argument is that the Iraqi government is a puppet of America. If you don't agree go hop on a plane to the middle east and explain to the people there why you think they are wrong.

We could have made sure he was not executed on EID, but we didn't.

Originally posted by QuasiShaman

Originally posted by spacedoubt
Just listening to CNN
They are reporting that US officials asked repeatedly for the execution to be delayed. It almost sounded as if there was an argument.

Iraqis themselves picked the time and date.

I just heard this about 5 minutes ago..I'll see if I can find a link.

[edit on 1-1-2007 by spacedoubt]

And you believe this!? Hope not!

Yes, I 100 percent believe that CNN just reported all the above.
I heard it with my own, still working ears.
I have not decided on the validity of the report. Thats how I digest information.

The first Chief Judge of the trial says that it was a violation of Iraqi law. Anyone here a better expert on Iraqi law?

Former Saddam judge says execution violates Iraqi law

The first chief judge who presided over
Saddam Hussein's trial for crimes against humanity has said that the late dictator's execution by the Iraqi government was illegal.

Rizkar Mohammed Amin, who later resigned as the trial's chief judge, said Iraqi law banned executions during the Eid al-Adha festival period that marks the end of the annual Hajj pilgrimage.

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Originally posted by Malichai

We could have waited another day.

We could have made sure he was not executed on EID, but we didn't.

Thats right!
Why would we want to inflame the situation to an even higher degree?
We didn't pick the time because I believe the Iraqis made the choice.
Iraquis insulted him by doing this, and by dancing around his body after the fact.

Originally posted by spacedoubt


Thats right!
Why would we want to inflame the situation to an even higher degree?
We didn't pick the time because I believe the Iraqis made the choice.
Iraquis insulted him by doing this, and by dancing around his body after the fact.

Iraqis did not choose when we handed him over. We made that decision.

Bush wants to inflame the situation to justify the continued occupation and future wars.

From the New York times:
U.S. Questioned Iraq on the Rush to Hang Hussein

The American role extended beyond providing the helicopter that carried Mr. Hussein home. Iraqi and American officials who have discussed the intrigue and confusion that preceded the decision late on Friday to rush Mr. Hussein to the gallows have said that it was the Americans who questioned the political wisdom — and justice — of expediting the execution, in ways that required Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki to override constitutional and religious precepts that might have assured Mr. Hussein a more dignified passage to his end.

Entire article here


US questions timing

Originally posted by jsobecky
Saddam was executed at approx. 6AM on Saturday, Dec. 29. EID begins at 12 noon, Dec. 29.

You have voted jsobecky for the Way Above Top Secret award.
You have used all of your votes for this month.

To quote Kelso .... BURN! Oh man, that was excellent!!

Originally posted by QuasiShaman
what day Saddam was murdered.

He wasn't murdered. He was tried and convicted in a court of law and executed in his own soverign country under those laws.

Originally posted by Malichai
It was Americas choice to hand him over. We could have waited another day. We could have made sure he was not executed on EID, but we didn't.

So it is 'our fault' that muslims wished to execute another muslim on EID? Gawd that's funny. So now we have to insist that they behave themselves on their own holy days? We have to teach them to be better muslims? We should interfere with the legal system of the soverign nation of Iraq?

You really should take a minute and think about what you are saying.

WE DON'T CARE what day he's executed on. If THEY don't care that it's their holy day then we sure as heck shouldn't care either.

Originally posted by Malichai
Then lets add some credible sources.

Yes. Some credible sources on why Saddam was legally executed by the soverign nation of Iraq -

- www.pbs.org...
- www.npr.org...
- www.moreorless.au.com...
- www.state.gov...
- www.usaid.gov...
- www.cnn.com...
- www.9neesan.com... (disturbing pictures)
- news.bbc.co.uk...
- www.blackfive.net...
- www.foxnews.com...
- sportsillustrated.cnn.com...

Never forget.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
He wasn't murdered. He was tried and convicted in a court of law and executed in his own soverign country under those laws.


mur·der
noun 1. Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).

Technically wasn't he executed before dawn? Supposedly the Muslim day doesn't officially start till sunrise and ends at sunset. They (the people executing him) made it a point to do it before dawn. They made a concerted effort to execute him before the Holy day started.

Yes. Some credible sources on why Saddam was legally executed by the soverign nation of Iraq -

The Sovereign nation of Iraq did not create the court. No legitimate elected officals had any say in the courts creation.

Foreign Judges were appointed as Administrative Judges.

This was rammed down the Iraqis throats. The court was 'confirmed' with the constitution the people accepted with the 'handover' of power.

The Special court is an independent entity within the Iraqi government that existed BEFORE the current government was elected.

Separation of powers precludes any sovereign Iraqi government from interfering with the court so the only way the Iraqis will truely be free is to overthrow their elected government, kick out the court, and start all over again.

Please read the interim constitution and the statute of the special tribunal before rebutting this post.

www.cpa-iraq.org...

www.cpa-iraq.org...

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I don't know if any of you saw the little celphone video thats going around but obviously people at the hanging were viewing this as a revenge for killing off a couple of the Sadr family who were insurgents during Saddam's regime and who also are currently fighting US forces right now. You wait and see whats going to happen. Its not going to be pretty at all. These people are going to be on the loose now with Saddam gone, yes he was a killer but he was killing the right people that were attempting to take over the country and the same way they are doing things over in Iraq with ied's etc...they will do in a lot of other places now that they are released from the fear of Saddam. You will see terrorist training camps there sooner more then later. This was a major screw-up and we should have never interfered.
These religious nuts will get into power and its gonna be hard to get them out once they take over. When they run out of sunnis to kill they will start working on the Kurds.

I agree, PieMan...

The fun has just begun. Just wait and see. As the White House distanced itself from "The Hanging" and pretended it was all "their" doing, the rest of the world knows what the truth is and no amount of covering up is going to fool the lesser beings around this planet into thinking we didnt do it.

There is culture out there in the world besides America people, and foreigners are not stupid. They know this was part of the "show"....

Which reminds me, FOX said they were glad Americans could all know that the man who inflicted so much pain to America was now gone.

Excuse me???
What pain did he inflict on us??

The world is ending -yes it is.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
These people are going to be on the loose now with Saddam gone, yes he was a killer but he was killing the right people that were attempting to take over the country and the same way they are doing things over in Iraq with ied's etc...

Most if not all of the IED's and car bombs are from Sunni or Al Queda in Iraq people. The Shia deathsquads are the ones doing most of the groups of people handcuffed and shot. There are enough wacko's on both sides to go around.

Yes, is it probably going to get worse before it gets better. The revenge factor was built into Iraq way before this current conflict. There are scores that must be settled before things get better. Saddam was a victim of his own brutal policies towards a majority of his population. Only the the Sunni's are weeping for him.

Originally posted by pavil

Most if not all of the IED's and car bombs are from Sunni or Al Queda in Iraq people. The Shia deathsquads are the ones doing most of the groups of people handcuffed and shot. There are enough wacko's on both sides to go around.

Yes, is it probably going to get worse before it gets better. The revenge factor was built into Iraq way before this current conflict. There are scores that must be settled before things get better. Saddam was a victim of his own brutal policies towards a majority of his population. Only the the Sunni's are weeping for him.

For these reasons and more I believe it will result in greater conflict between Sunni and Shia.

BTW- The Sunnis are by far the majority of Muslims. Maybe not in Iraq, and certainly not in Iran, but they are everywhere else.

Originally posted by pavil
Technically wasn't he executed before dawn? Supposedly the Muslim day doesn't officially start till sunrise and ends at sunset. They (the people executing him) made it a point to do it before dawn. They made a concerted effort to execute him before the Holy day started.

The day ends when the sun sets. The new day had already begun.

This little snip from the NY is very telling about who carries the big stick.

The Iraqi official said Mr. Talabani first asked the tribunal’s judges for an opinion on whether the constitutional requirement for presidential approval applied to a death sentence handed down by the tribunal, a special court operating outside Iraq’s main judicial system. The judges said the requirement was void.

[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/01/world/middleeast/01iraq.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5094&en=85dae91ed8178e3a&hp&ex=1167714000&partner=homepage]More[/u rl]

This is the single most telling part of this article. It illustrates that the special court is above Iraqi constitutional law. They are only bound by the Statute.

OCCUPATIONAL PROMULGATION

The special court was created by order of Paul Bremer and affirmed by the appointed Iraqi governing council. It was 'confirmed' in the interim constitution that was 'handed over' to the Iraqi people. Underhanded, yes?

THE FOURTH BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT

It is an independent entity within the Iraqi government protected by separation of powers. No laws may be passed other than to support its purposes, no orders may be give from the administration, and the Iraqi Supreme court cannot influence in any way.

FOREIGN ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGES

Who pulls the strings? The Administrative Judges. A provision was made to appoint foreign judges, and there was a requirement for foreign advisors and observers. This all happened behind closed doors, and no one today knows who the administrative judges are or most of the advisors and monitors.

Above all Iraqi law with the power of God over all Iraqi people, The Special Court is the judicial arm of the imperial occupational system.

But don't take my word for it, read the Statute for yourself.

www.cpa-iraq.org...