For All Big Banger Atheists

Something just "was" and is. It may have been a god or maybe just a spark of some exotic energy. We just are not able to reason out how something could just "be" without anything having caused it or created it.

Something existed out of nothing. There is really no way around it.

The idea of god was created by men. That does not mean there is not a god but all the gods we know in todays cultures are products of human imagination and reasoning.

If there is a god, he has not giving modern man any reason to believe in him other than ancient text written by men.

I watched Saddam hang. I can tell you that man believed in his god at the end as much as you and I do ours so who is right?

God exists so we do not end. Our minds are uneasy and do not want to accept the idea of being completely gone on death. That along with men trying to control the masses has propagated religion through history.

If the god I was taught to believe in as a child is real then he/it is very strange. Why heaven and hell? and if god is pure how and why would he create us with the ability to sin.

Why would he destroy and kill unbeleivers and sinners if he is full of love for his creations?

If god does exist then he should let us know in a tangible undeniable way? it is only fair to the creations he dearly loves?

Is earth some game god was playing to keep from being bored? Why didnt he just make heaven and fill us in it?

I cannot say one way or the other. I have two sides of me on this issue my spiritual side wont give up on the idea of god and my reality side says its all just made up by men.

Originally posted by GreatTech
1) Anything created requires some assistance.
2) A chemical reaction requires some assistance.
3) A kiss requires somes assistance.
4) A marriage requires some assistance.
5) Reading a sentence requires some assistance.
6) Writing a letter requires some assistance.
7) Seeing an object requires some assistance.
8) Hearing a sound requires some assistance.
9) to Infinity requires some assistance.

God is "I AM."

God could create the Universe in less than one second, six days, 15 billion years, 30 trillion years...

YAWWWNN...

We humans are so inteligent.. why do we listen to fairy tales of men 2000 years ago? .. There was once a time when no one believed in your god, not a soul in the world new his name until someone created him, and like all god your god will come to an end.. like the gods of the greeks and the romans and every faith you deem pegan. Tell me this, why did your god create a world where his existance went unknown for 4,000 years? (civilization is aprox 6,000 years old) ... it doesn't make sense to me. But of course your mistranslated book will surely have an answer.

Originally posted by emjoi
I have no idea what the point of this argument is, but negative Zero is still Zero.

I think the idea is that matter is created by Nothingness splitting into a particle and an anti-particle.... +1 + -1 = 0
The mechanism behind this split is one of the Great Mysteries.

And yes, if Time is a dimension, and a Physical property created with Time and Energy, then there was no time before there was physicality.

Negative Nothing would Be something AND Nothing. To have the opposite of Nothing would Be to have something. On another note, the opposite of Nothing IS Nothing because Nothing does not Exist. There are No dimensions, time is an illusion. No beginning, No end; No time

Originally posted by Xeven

Something just "was" and is. It may have been a god or maybe just a spark of some exotic energy. We just are not able to reason out how something could just "be" without anything having caused it or created it.

No reason. Existence is. No cause, No effect, all ways has Been.

Something existed out of nothing. There is really no way around it.

Not out of Nothing, Not in of Nothing. Existence all ways has Been. Correct, there is No way around it, Existence is Not circular, it is shapeless, No borders, No boundaries, No beginning, No ending

The idea of god was created by men. That does not mean there is not a god but all the gods we know in todays cultures are products of human imagination and reasoning.

Idea of God IS Existence, IS Human

If there is a god, he has not giving modern man any reason to believe in him other than ancient text written by men.

Humans are Omni-fied. God Not a "him". Omnisentient, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent = Everything, feminine and Masculine

I watched Saddam hang. I can tell you that man believed in his god at the end as much as you and I do ours so who is right?

Does it matter who is right? We are a right side dominated society because of this... Who is left? Reality is choice. To Be correct is perception, ultimate perception is to accept all

God exists so we do not end. Our minds are uneasy and do not want to accept the idea of being completely gone on death. That along with men trying to control the masses has propagated religion through history.

You just said We Exist so God does Not end. We are Not completely gone on death; death is the illusion. Re-member, No beginning and No end. We are consciousness, consciousness is Existence. All ways Existing is Us.

If the god I was taught to believe in as a child is real then he/it is very strange. Why heaven and hell? and if god is pure how and why would he create us with the ability to sin.

Heaven or Hell is Our World. "God" is said to Be Perfect, the abilities of Perfection allow "God" to sin. "God" is capable of all, including "failure". Lacking Perfection, Existence ceases to Exist.

Why would he destroy and kill unbeleivers and sinners if he is full of love for his creations?

We are God, it is Us destroying and killing. We are love, different degrees of love, just as all is light, different degrees of light, etc.

If god does exist then he should let us know in a tangible undeniable way? it is only fair to the creations he dearly loves?

Then dearly love the creation, for We are it and it is Us. The creation creates, thus the creator, too. God, Not a He. Existence is undeniable, even the ability to deny comes from Existing.

Is earth some game god was playing to keep from being bored? Why didnt he just make heaven and fill us in it?

Why Not We Be Heaven? Why do We choose to suffer in a "Hell"?

I cannot say one way or the other. I have two sides of me on this issue my spiritual side wont give up on the idea of god and my reality side says its all just made up by men.

All sides are really together, no separation. Explain spirituality, please. Interested: What of the illusion "side" and the Existence "side"?

If it is all just made up by Human, then how did Human come to Existence to make it up? Look at Existence, look at the words, We are freedom, We are prison... choose

[edit on 3-1-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Have ya ever glued a quarter to the floor of a Starbuck's just to see how many people bend over to pick it up? I have. It's pretty amazing how many people just scratch their heads and look around to see who's watching, and then...try to pick it up.

Has it occured to you that the original poster had this in mind when posting? He hasn't chimed in yet since...


Just an obsevation.
Like in Starbuck's.
Tee hee,
Cuhail

Originally posted by Cuhail

Have ya ever glued a quarter to the floor of a Starbuck's just to see how many people bend over to pick it up? I have. It's pretty amazing how many people just scratch their heads and look around to see who's watching, and then...try to pick it up.

Has it occured to you that the original poster had this in mind when posting? He hasn't chimed in yet since...


Just an obsevation.
Like in Starbuck's.
Tee hee,
Cuhail

No, funny idea... if it was a flower they most likely would Not care. It has Not crossed the mind. Just in joying the conversations. If the OP had that in mind then it is still fine. Allow her to read and digest all that she desires untill she is ready to chime in, if ever. All is okay

[edit on 3-1-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Is there something wrong with picking up a quarter?
Does it make you a bad person to make a small effort become 25c richer?
Personally, 25c is at the borderline of Effort vs Reward for me. I aint bending over for less than 50 cents.

I work. I make money from working. I gotta eat, have a roof over my head, pay for this computer and internet connection....

My point is not that you would pick up the quarter. My point is that it seems the OP dropped a bomb of a post and hasn't piped up on his intentions or point. One deep post and no conversation regarding it since.

Kinda like gluing a quarter to the floor just for the laugh of watching people bend over and fail to pick it up...the stand up straight and immediately look around to see if anyone is giggling. (I wasn't always the 37 year-old thinker I am now) I've been the bender and I've been he gluer. I believe the OP is the gluer.

Just an observation on the thread, not on your ... thriftyness.





Cuhail

Originally posted by Cuhail
The OP dropped a bomb of a post and hasn't piped up on his intentions or point. One deep post and no conversation regarding it since.

Kinda like gluing a quarter to the floor just for the laugh of watching people bend over and fail to pick it up...

Could be. But this GreatTech person appears to be quite genuinely faithed-out, judging from some of his or her other posts on this site. Maybe he/she was just a little freaked out by the torching their original post got.

Well-deserved torching, I might add.

Originally posted by Cuhail
My point is not that you would pick up the quarter. My point is that it seems the OP dropped a bomb of a post and hasn't piped up on his intentions or point. One deep post and no conversation regarding it since.

Kinda like gluing a quarter to the floor just for the laugh of watching people bend over and fail to pick it up...the stand up straight and immediately look around to see if anyone is giggling. (I wasn't always the 37 year-old thinker I am now) I've been the bender and I've been he gluer. I believe the OP is the gluer.

Just an observation on the thread, not on your ... thriftyness.

Cuhail

Oversat (understood?). Just making a botanist allegorical addition to the all ready connotative notion that most people only react to the quarter and for-get about the beauty of the flower. It is all a choice. This thread seems to have bloomed into the flower, though =)

[edit on 4-1-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Originally posted by donwhite
Man created God

This reminds me of the Hitchhikers Guide... which says....

Now it is such a bizarrely improbably coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful [the Babel fish] could have evolved by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.

The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED"

"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy (book one of the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy series), p. 50

LoL

NeoN HaZe

[edit on 4-1-2007 by Neon Haze]

Cuhail, apologies.
Sometimes I miss the bleedin' obvious.

Originally posted by Cuhail
Has it occurred to you that the original poster had this in mind when posting? He hasn't chimed in yet since...

You maybe correct on this. Though I would say he just traded his reputation for a few points.

NeoN HaZe.

Originally posted by GreatTech
1) Anything created requires some assistance.
2) A chemical reaction requires some assistance.
3) A kiss requires somes assistance.
4) A marriage requires some assistance.
5) Reading a sentence requires some assistance.
6) Writing a letter requires some assistance.
7) Seeing an object requires some assistance.
8) Hearing a sound requires some assistance.
9) to Infinity requires some assistance.

God is "I AM."

God could create the Universe in less than one second, six days, 15 billion years, 30 trillion years...

Originally posted by Cuhail
My point is not that you would pick up the quarter. My point is that it seems the OP dropped a bomb of a post and hasn't piped up on his intentions or point. One deep post and no conversation regarding it since.

Kinda like gluing a quarter to the floor just for the laugh of watching people bend over and fail to pick it up...the stand up straight and immediately look around to see if anyone is giggling. (I wasn't always the 37 year-old thinker I am now) I've been the bender and I've been he gluer. I believe the OP is the gluer.

Just an observation on the thread, not on your ... thriftyness.

Cuhail

Or he could just be building his points. One can neither prove nor disprove the existence of an omnipotent God. You either choose to believe or choose to not believe. You can choose to pad the OP’s points or choose not to. I chose to pad his points in order to point this out to you.

Or he could just be building his points. One can neither prove nor disprove the existence of an omnipotent God. You either choose to believe or choose to not believe. You can choose to pad the OP’s points or choose not to. I chose to pad his points in order to point this out to you.

The Existence is Omnipotent, is it Not? If We are constantly worrying about political subjects such as padding points, then how can We ever focus on the issue that is asking to Be clarified? Just have fun chatting and worry about topics, words, and meanings. Intents can go as far as the thought wishes to gaze into them, and by this procedure the intent becomes a stabbing sword into the midst of the true discussion, causing it to bleed a blood of blurred disscomfort and unnecessary paranoia; then again, it is all so choice to choose to analyze the illusory political side of any Existential depiction, but know that politics are a fool's game because never is philosophy about winning or losing... it is about working together to find truthfull stability... and philosophy is Existence

[edit on 5-1-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

by rockpuck
Tell me this, why did your god create a world where his existance went unknown for 4,000 years?

Not sure what you mean. Are you discounting the Old Testament. Everything in it speaks of Christ. From Abraham's Faith to the Jewish Sacrifice's. And of course God walked with Adam in the Beginning. I'm not seeing the 'unknown' part you're talking about.

Originally posted by HimWhoHathAnEar
And of course God walked with Adam in the Beginning. I'm not seeing the 'unknown' part you're talking about.

well, there's evidence that the Earth is about 4.5 billion years old
homo sapien has existed for at 50,000 years
monotheism hasn't always been around....
hell, we don't know how long religion has been around

and there isn't any evidence that your "man of clay" existed...

radioactive decay dating vs religious text?

redioactive decay dating wins out

redioactive decay dating wins out

I'm sure it does. For You.

I put less FAITH in radioactive decay since simple atmospheric disruptions in the past is all it takes to alter the radioactivity of your 'sample'.

Originally posted by HimWhoHathAnEar

redioactive decay dating wins out

I'm sure it does. For You.

I put less FAITH in radioactive decay since simple atmospheric disruptions in the past is all it takes to alter the radioactivity of your 'sample'.

Maybe if you presented the appropriate creationista evidence we could show it for what it is.

Do you really need evidence for atmospheric disruptions. How bout radiation from space?