How did God come into existence?

reply to post by ChrisJr03


ii brandi do not belive that god is real how did he crreat all this? i do not belive in somthings that i have never or somthing that no one has ever seen or somthing that nobody can prove is real!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Heronumber0
The Creator of time is not bound by the rules of physical time.
The Creator of space is not bound by Space.
The Creator of the Laws of Gravity and Light Speed is not bound by His own Laws.
We cannot comprehend the Universe unless we leave it. We are like bacteria on an agar plate.

I really like this description. VERY applicable!

In the Bible, there's actually some evidence of there being a divide between the spiritual and physical realms. As such, there is a divide between how Time is observed in either realm. In the physical realm, we view time as linear, moving from yesterday to today and on through tomorrow. In the spiritual realm, it's suggested that time is actually nonexistent, as if all of eternity is bound up in a single existential "NOW".

Here are some verses to support this...

2 Peter 3:8 -- But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

In other words, time is without definition. Then you have this little jewel...

John 8:58 -- Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Lots has been said on this one, such as Jesus equating Himself with God, who had told Moses "I am that I am". But this verse is actually much more revelatory than that. Consider the grammar---before Abraham was (past tense) I AM (present tense). Translation: before Abraham ever existed, I EXIST. If Jesus is the physical manifestation of the eternal God, then He would have been very familiar with that "eternal NOW".

Then of course, you've got the references to God never changing...

Malachi 3:6 -- For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Hebrews 13:8 -- Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

For every single entity in existence, this is IMPOSSIBLE. You are not the same person you were when you started reading this thread. You are not the same person you will be when you go to bed tonight. Every second you live, you experience something new, and that experience changes who you are. The Bible says that God doesn't change. The ONLY way that is impossible is if He is self-existent, and not governed by the rules of time.

Yesterday? Tomorrow? Today? All the same thing.

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In reference to conversation with god:

This writing is as old as human…please do some research on the birth of spiritualism.
This person that claim to have one to one discussion with god has in my view just read a lot of already known knowledge about the soul and every thing else.
The difference between what he said about god and what have been said by others for millennia (not the religious) is;
He bring god in to an external existence as others bring god to internal existence.
A very big difference, because one is following the old patriarch god and the other is liberating your intellect to find your divinity.
Which of this 2 are right, someone that claim that Hitler is in haven or someone that claim that haven doesn’t exist?

Kacou.

perhaps god is existence. maybe god is the sum of everything. to me it's hard to believe in the possibility of absolute nothingness so instead I believe in the exact opposite. I feel everything always has and always will exists 'at the same time' especially if time is non-linear. Kind of like an extreme view on the law of oneness.

I ponder quite deeply about this and also believe I had a
talk with the Lord of Spirits (Holy Bible).

God created malkuth (kingdom) physical universe and many
of the souls.

However, some of us or our souls is not created by God; but
before God.

The Spirit of God told me the Big Bang occurred around
40.89 Billion years ago.

Before this; the Universe is just the void and Souls flying through it.
God (Holy Spirit), God (Lord Jehovah) and God the son (Jesus Christ..not a man, but a soul) Combined in a holy trinity in the VOID (PURE SPACE) and created a Pure White triangle to generate infinite light energy in order to create ein sopf... to create the Singlurity event we call the big bang.

Before; the Big Bang that is what occurred... long before that, all you had was Pure Black Space (VOID) and geometrical souls... I call them starsouls(since they were the stars and their was none at the time).

But if we go say.. 1000 Billion years before the BIG BANG; I ponder and I have come to the conclusion the
Pure Black Infinite One (Great Space Soul)..I call it PEE MAH SAH

Created the 1st Star soul or thought consciousness and then it created more and more..etc...

This is my belief... the Spirit of God is aware of the fact his/her soul is not the oldest in the universe and went thru a weird experience.... in fact my soul is older..lol.. But that is ok, that is his name (GOD) and he is the most high in the Kingdom.... and 1 of the best in the universe.

BEWARE watch what you ask him or tell him... don't let GOD know you may be a starsoul... or old soul; if you are... trouble...

I don't know what to do.... if or when I die, I don't want my soul to goto God... just want to goto PEEMAHSAH or the void.

Our christian god is around two thousand years old so doesnt that mean man created god

[edit on 20-7-2008 by Drakula]

God Created Godself


In the Beginning was the Big Bang.

After the Big Bang, All was.

All was Formless.

Formlessness evolved Form.

Form evolved Structure.

Structure evolved Life.

Life evolved Intelligence.

Intelligence evolved God.

Omnipotent, unbound by Time and Space, God declared: Let There Be Me.

And in the Beginning was the Big Bang.

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God told you the big bang happened 40 billion years ago? That seems kinda funny considering that according to His word the earth is only aorund 6000 years old, and you very may have heard a voice telling you these things but just because you hear a voice it doesn't mean it is God. Even Satan know's God's word back to front. And for those people who actually do want to know whether or not God exists just ask Him. I mean actually want to know, not just to prove a point but if you are actually willing to open up to the possibility that He exists you can find out. I am not saying you have to entirely believe exists but don't just sit there going 'Nope nope nope He's not real' While blocking your ears screaming But just as His word tells you if you seek Him earnestly he will reveal Himself to you.



Just simply ask= 'God i don't know if you really exist but i am willing to take a chance if you'll promise tou reveal yourself to me. I admit that i have sinned and i accept Jesus Christ into my life so that i can know and learn more about you and what i am a part of. In Jesus name, Amen.'

This is a prayer or talking to God you don't have to get down on your knees or even say it out loud, you can say it in your head and as long as you mean it God will hear you; "for the LORD searches every heart and understands every motive behind the thoughts. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever" 1 Chronicles 28:9.
Every person has sinned and God cannot be around sin and before you say that God is all powerful and what not so couldn't He have made us not sin, etc. He gave us free will andthe reason His son Jesus Christ needed to die for us and our sins was because God is the same forever and ever and cannot go back on His word and His word states that He cannot be around sin and a sufficient sacrifice is needed for a person to become righteous.


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Just how i see it.....

OR, and here's a real mind-bender: bronze age farmers didn't know everything, and decided to write a story to explain all that they didn't understand. One of many stories written by nearly every single civilisation around the world, throughout time. All of which are different.

They can't all be right, yet somehow religious types *know* their faith (or the faith of their parents that they were indoctrinated with) is the right faith, even though there is absolutely zero evidence for any of it.

It would be hilarious if it wasn't so deadly. Deny ignorance. Deny religion.

see this is the question, that poses an unanswerable response. This is what prooves that humans are no where near as evolved as they think we are. Man's mind cannot fathom this at all. And you alll thought we were so smart.

Originally posted by amfirst
I think God is the universe. He is energy. Think of us in a matrix, like a computer. God is the hard drive. He holds all the information and knows exactly what is going on in his comp at all times. With out him, there is no knowledge.

Indeed. God = (mother) nature = the universe.

A valid question and also one that most likely will never be answered during anyone's life on this planet.

I was taught that God always was and always will be. Okay, nice cop out and extremely vague.

In my meditations and long thoughts on this I have started to lean more towards this line of thought.

Yes, God has always been. No, God has not always been Conscious.

It is proven that everything is made up of energy in one form or another. The theory that everything was once contained in something that could fit into your fist, thus the 'big bang' I think may be close.

My thoughts are leaning towards God residing as energy in the dark matter that was predominant in this universe before light energy/matter came to be. That possibly, at one moment this energy became conscious of itself and simply thought the famous thought 'I AM'. That's when the conversion to light or the 'big bang' theory exploded and energy was shot throughout.

Did it happen in 6 days? Nope. Sorry. That's a nice story to teach to people.

So, since energy can neither be created nor destroyed I believe that God always was and always will be. Each soul since has been a spark from this initial thought of 'I AM'.

Just my ideas on this extremely debatable subject.

but thats besides the point. The question asked was how did it come into existance. Not what it is. What god is is simple, it is everything. u, me, trees, planets, everything. It is good and it is evil, is is beauty and ugliness. To try and split this being to suit your personal needs, is wrong.
It is harmony and balance, while at the same time it is chaos and dissruption.

Originally posted by Astyanax
God Created Godself


In the Beginning was the Big Bang.

After the Big Bang, All was.

All was Formless.

Formlessness evolved Form.

Form evolved Structure.

Structure evolved Life.

Life evolved Intelligence.

Intelligence evolved God.

Omnipotent, unbound by Time and Space, God declared: Let There Be Me.

And in the Beginning was the Big Bang.

Interesting thoughts. However, before the big bang there had to be something right? It couldn't all have happened after the big bang. What do you think 'caused' the big bang? Maybe it was 'God' waking up? Just thought I would throw that out there.

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Quote:-

How did God come into existence?

[ Many of us on these threads debate how the universe and how it was made. I'm just curious though, if God (The Creator) made the universe, how did God come into existence. I'm not sure if anyone has asked this yet, but I just decided to throw it out there, please give me your thoughts, whether you believe God created the universe or not; I am interested in knowing what you think. ]

The "Word" "God" is The Most missunderstood of all, in your World...

If you read in the Book of John in the bible it gives you the answer!

"In the Beginning was The Word, and The Word was with God and “The Word was GOD”...

In Him was LIFE and The LIFE was The LIGHT of Man.... etc etc...

Oh by the way This Light, is The Light of The World... from Sun and other sources of LIGHT....

GOD is a "Word" and Not what people pretend it to be.

The Writings in the bible came from a "selection" of writings, both Greek and Hebrew...

The First Language was Geometric in its communication and was called ZIONic.
This language has been lost to the World, but we can establish some of it, by back engineering from IONic Greek Fonts.

So if you Change the English fonts to Greek, rather than Translating the words from English to Greek we can make the First step, to finding out what The Word "G" "O" "D" actually means.

So Change the "G" to "Gamma" (in Greek) "O" to "Omega" (in Greek) and "D" to Delta (in Greek)...


The Next step is to Change these Fonts to "ZIONic"!

Note ZION and ION the Z has been dropped. Z (Zeta in Greek) Zeta Alpha Omega in Greek means Life in English so does Zeta Omega Omega (here we see the Double Omega)

Example the Ionic Geek font Gamma was taken from a Square...

Two Gamma, produce a box.

This is because if we put together The "Gamma" Font, with its other image in its Opposite Orientation we get a Box formed, or a Square Frame!

Now take the Original Greek Font "Omega" ( the little feet of the omega should point down at 45 degrees, and Not horizontal), and do the same we establish a circle with 4 little radiating lines!

If we do the same to The "Delta" we produce a 6 pointed star or "The Star of David"!

Now place "The Star" in the Omega (ZIONic) so its points contact the Circle and Place the "Omega" and the "Star", inside The "Box" so The Diagonals of The ZIONic "Omega" Contact the Corners of The "Square".

Now Look at The Picture...

This is The ZIONic Word for GOD!

This was the First Geometric Form Produced by Awareness, Consciousness, LIFE, or "The True Mind", whatever you like to call it.

GOD is a "Living Drawing Machine" that Produced what is known as The City, That has formed the Illision of your Universe.

So GOD was Created by "The True Mind" or "Consciousness" which is Not of the "Human Primate" but interfaces with the Brain of The Human Primate.

The Reality is, You are a Part of This Conscious State, I mean Your Awareness.

If you go to and look up the Name and look at all the Matrix's, more than 100 different formats, at this site, this may give you some more understanding.

Friendly Regards,

The Matrix Traveller....

Originally posted by orionthehunter
What I was told was that God has always been here and always will be. God is without beginning or end. As far as to why God created the universe, maybe God wanted something to watch. I can imagine it would be a dull universe without stars, planets, galaxies and life forms to inhabit them.

Yeah, but who created God? I know the whole alpha/omega thing, but let's be real here. What existed before God? How did God happen? And not like a "Got Milk?" bumper-sticker.

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Read the Script by The Matrix Traveller.... This may answer your Question, but read it very, very carefully!

Friendly Regards,

The Matrix Traveller....

reply to post by pluckynoonez


If you are serious about wanting to know, then create, and/or give me an existing email address, that I can send Drawings to.

I can show you everything from before the Beginning of The All, until now and beyond....
This includes Other Universes and Worlds, Not just your Own Universe...

If you ask me if I am religious ? The Answer is NO....

I have a Library of over 30,000 Geometric Drawing that show how, from before the beginning of The All....

I develop and Manufacture “Optical Interface Computer Systems with the True Mind”...

I have had a Company in the Past, in NZ that Developed and Manufactured Computers for The Automotive Industry...

No this is Not a joke...

Friendly Regards,

The Matrix Traveller...


[edit on 6-8-2008 by The Matrix Traveller]

Why is "god always was and always will be" a legitimate answer to "where did god come from?", but if you swap the word 'god' for 'the universe' its suddenly unacceptable.

If someone mentions the big bang, a creationist (in the universal sense) will say that what caused the big bang cant be explained, and that it HAS to have come from somewhere, and unless an exact answer can ever be given, god will be that cause.

There is a double standard. Science needs an exact answer, religion gives 'always was, always will be' and gets away with it.