Osama Bin Laden arrested by FBI in Brooklyn?

Leslie, how many "cases" have you brought with by the FBI? You already mentioned you uncovered the maker of the Doom Virus. It sounds to me like it's some sort of hobby to you to try and assist the FBI with all types of cases. You seem to contact them on a lot of occasions. This time, you think you actually helped them solve something. Something big. While in reality they took all your emails for granted and dragged them straight to the trashbin. It doesnt sound strange to me that they were laughing when you called them. I dont believe they were celebrating Osama's capture.
I think you might be a running gag on the department.
Sorry to sound like this but this is what i think is going on.

[edit on 3-1-2007 by errorist]

Errorist, I have already carefully considered the possiblity that the FBI was pulling my leg. Read my blog titled, "Was the FBI Joking With Me?" Here it is if you don't want to bother with looking it up.

It has been proposed to me that maybe the FBI were making fun of me when they called me "The Green Lady" and asked me for the lotto picks. I have considered this possibility, however it doesn't add up. Anyone who has ever dealt with the FBI would know that they do not normally joke around. They were celebrating something. I could tell. I have never heard them so happy. They were hooting and hollering and very noisy. That night I called back and asked if I could be "optimistic" that there would be an announcement. In all seriousness the agent said that there would be one as soon as a report was sent to Washington. He told me he believed the announcement would be made either that night or early the next morning. This is why I stayed up all night waiting for an announcement. Why would he tell me that unless he thought there was going to be an announcement? On another occasion I called the FBI late at night and spoke to an agent who was very curious about me. We spoke hypothetically about Osama being in Brooklyn. He asked me a lot of personal questions about myself. I think he wanted to know more about the person who found Osama Bin Laden. In the same conversation he called me a "gifted researcher" and a "true patriot". He was definitely not joking. Also, when I first started calling in my tips I was never thanked for them. Once they started finding them to be accurate I was being thanked over and over again for my tips. One agent sounded so sincere that I thought he wanted to cry. Why would they be thanking me if the tips were no good? Also, normal FBI protocol is to call the tips in to the FBI in the caller's area. After a while, since my tips were so good and they were all centered in New York, they decided to tell me to break protocol and call New York directly. Any time I called the FBI I would tell them that I was the one who was calling in the Brooklyn tips and they would put me straight through to the duty agent. Oddly, a few days after Osama's arrest they suddenly were giving me the cold shoulder and denying all knowledge of the Brooklyn operation. I couldn't even get past the person answering the phone. Another thing is that once they were shutting me out I told an agent that I was willing to sign a non-disclosure agreement in exchange for the reward money. At that time I thought that they were keeping it from the public for security purposes, rather than political reasons, so I was willing to promise not to talk to anyone about it. He didn't respond by telling me I was crazy or to drop it. He told me I had to come into my local office to make a formal request. I went into the office and the agent there gave me a big pep talk about how the government would have no reason to keep the reward money from if I indeed turned in Osama. He said he would verify my claims and put in a request for payment. Two days later, I tried to call him to get the results. I think he was embarrassed for the government and couldn't face me because he wouldn't answer his phone or return my calls. The fact is that I believe that he was able to verify the truth of my claims by calling New York. I also think that the Rewards for Justice program had refused to make a deal. Finally after calling back several times the secretary told me that my claim had been refused. He never did call me back. I wonder why?

[edit on 1/3/2007 by Leslie Powers]

Originally posted by errorist
Leslie, how many "cases" have you brought with by the FBI? You already mentioned you uncovered the maker of the Doom Virus. [edit on 3-1-2007 by errorist]

If they FBI thought my tips were such a joke why would they take the time to come to my house to collect the files for my My Doom research? Wouldn't they just blow me off? It seems to me that they have taken all of my tips very seriously.

Originally posted by Leslie Powers
Why wouldn't he use Myspace? It's the perfect way to send annonymous emails and recruit young American Muslums. If he was in the US he would have easy access to Myspace. He, of course, can no longer access it since he was captured and most likely died in custody. If you will notice, his last login was 2 weeks before his capture on August 16th. --Leslie

He would not use myspace because if he emailed anyone saying "hey kid want to blow up a bus so you can have 20 virgins" someone would report him to the authorities. Anyway he leaves the recruiting to his thugs.

I'm thinking this is BS. If the author of this myspace page had half a brain, and it appears the author does (half... no more), she would have gone to the newspapers immediately- and emailed and created so much controversy it would have aired by now in some outlet beyond myspace.

I know media is controlled to a huge degree, hell we're number 11 on world free press.... but this type of story can't be suppressed while that individual is still alive and trying- it would have surfaced by now.

I'm caling Hoax/Insanity/Creative Writing

Originally posted by jaguarmike
I'm thinking this is BS. If the author of this myspace page had half a brain, and it appears the author does (half... no more), she would have gone to the newspapers immediately- and emailed and created so much controversy it would have aired by now in some outlet beyond myspace.

From what I have read, she already has attempted. My question is, what makes you so sure they would believe her? You obviously don't, so why would they? Why would the media hop on board with something that could possibly leave them looking like a (Insert Anything Explicit).

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On another note, I would like to comment on the unwillingness to give this member the light of day. We mock her, criticize her, etc., on this notion that is completely unrealistic. The thought that Bin Laden would ever have a MySpace page, it just goes above and beyond anything we could ever comprehend. Yet these same members will discuss Reptilians, ghosts, paranormal, etc.

Yes, this topic is far fetched. I do not deny it. But considering some of the topics we do discuss on this website, is it really that far fetched?

We have seen far crazier things on this board.

With every post Leslie creates, I find myself disagreeing more and more. Yet I respect her more and more for the effort she is putting forth. She has been beaten down, yet she pushes on with dignity and respect for those who fail to respect her.

Whether she is right or wrong, I have a tremendous amount of respect for this member. She could of gone about this in a much different way, and attacked us the way we have attacked her.

chissler

Like I mentioned I keep an open mind, and with claims about other things there often is more then just 1 person claiming such and usually these people have something more detailed.

With this person LESLIE, she/he is appearing as her/him own witness. Now if a few other people came forward and said something then instantly this would have more believability.

I mean consider for a moment, do you really think this person one night waited to hear the news of Bin Laden's arrest? Because the FBI (or an agent of the FBI)let her know that he was.

In all seriousness let us give the FBI some of the benefit of the doubt here, and let us be consistent with the way LAW ENFORCEMENT works.

They (THE FBI) would never even have hinted of an arrest like that if this is true, they keep these things very secret, they are not going to tell a 'tipster' of an arrest, no-one would.

The whole story just isn't ridiculous but it doesn't add up for a wide variety of reasons.

Originally posted by chissler
Whether she is right or wrong, I have a tremendous amount of respect for this member. She could of gone about this in a much different way, and attacked us the way we have attacked her.

I could not agree more, I went through this entire thread, and am shocked that Leslie is still around, let alone still around and respectful. I wonder how many other posters have gone out in a blaze of glory, chewing everyone up on their way out the door. Yet Leslie remains, is respectful, and answers even those who are condescending.

For that Leslie, I give you kudos.

Leslie you said you discovered the maker of the My Doom virus??
Where was that guy located? Wasn't it in the Phillipines?

talisman, honestly, I agree 100%. I have openly said that I do not agree with what Leslie has proclaimed in this thread. The notion that she had tracked Bin Laden through a MySpace page is a bit of a stretch. However, my disagreement does not condone any mistreatment. My post(s) have been directed towards the members that come in and ridicule on a personal level.

The idea that Osama would have a Myspace profile is beyond absurd.

A one liner that does not really add to the conversation, but I see no major problem with that. The content itself has been criticized, which is perfectly acceptable. If you are willing to post something on a public domain, you should be willing to suffer some criticism.

Are all you people really giving so much attention to a person who is so obviously "full of it"? Come on...she singlehandedly tracked down Osama via Myspace?

Here is where the problem lies with the thread. Attacking the member, not the message.

This will be my last post in defense of this member. Not because I do not believe she deserves it, but I believe these posts are just as off-topic as the ones I am criticizing. But with the popularity of this thread, and the heat the member was taking, I felt it was necessary to make it clear that this member did have the respect of some ATS members.

One member never speaks for the whole membership, sometimes it's good to be reminded of that.


Ed: Removing member's names from the quotes. It is unnecessary to have the name's, as it is irrelevant. The content is what is being discussed.

[edit on 3-1-2007 by chissler]

Okay, let me get this straight...

OBL/UBL (whatever he's called these days) is internet savvy. From his remote afghan locale(s) he was able to learn about myspace and get a user account...He likes to use it to recruit young people and use the "secure" message system. . .

Um...okay?

Myspace was bought out by Rupert Murdoch, and I doubt that anyone serious about "serious" crime would use it to organize/discuss plans.

Anyone that has anything to hide on the internet would be using 256k+ encrypted email from lokmail, hushmail and the like. Message boards with private "senior members only" sites would also be likley used. Any kind of planning would be done via dead-letter drops or highly encrypted emails.

Why do the major anabolic steroid importers/dealers fly under the FBI/US Customs radar? Well...because they employ some of the same tactics. They sure as hell recruit enough new users/customers.

Al-CIA-da was/is part of our own intelligence community....otherwise we'd have them by the balls already, or they'd be so so paranoid they wouldn't be able to effectivley communicate.

Anyone remember Eschelon/Carnivore?

The millitary industrial complex makes more money and gains more power by having these "terrorists" at large. The question is "who has the most to gain by UBL/OBL at large?"

Hell, I even read somewhere of Israeli intelligence officers caught dressed as muslim "extremists" in Iraq trying to incite violence.

It's a neat bit of fiction...somthing that might make a great short story, but IMO thats all.

Enough said.



[edit on 3-1-2007 by MystikMushroom]

Here is where the problem lies with the thread. Attacking the member, not the message.

This will be my last post in defense of this member. Not because I do not believe she deserves it, but I believe these posts are just as off-topic as the ones I am criticizing. But with the popularity of this thread, and the heat the member was taking, I felt it was necessary to make it clear that this member did have the respect of some ATS members.

Give me a break! What happened to "deny ignorance"? This very thread is a breeding ground for ignorance, created by someone who is either very delusional, or else attempting a hoax (and it's a rather poor job at that).

Surely if there was anything remotely close to the truth within this person's maniacal claims, they would have some kind of credible evidence or proof, some information that is unique, or some other source to help back them up...this is not the case. It is a flimsy story that has been manufactured by one person for either entertainment, disinformation, or something else...but it is nothing more than a story. If this were posted in the "skunk works" forum then I would let it slide, but it has nothing to do with any real 9/11 conspiracy, and nothing to do with anything. Better yet, let's move it to the short stories forum.

If I posted up a thread saying that I had just gotten back from Afghanistan and met Osama, I would be "attacked" in the same way, and I would expect for that to happen...the claims made by this person are completely wacky and with no basis of evidence. When someone writes up a paper (or creates a thread), their theories and ideas mean zilch unless they can be proven with , or based upon some kind of hard information...anything other than what their own brain can come up with. If they fail to do this, then their ideas enter the realm of fiction/fantasy, and if the author still insists that it is true, real, and fact...usually people will come to realize and agree upon the fact that this person is "full of it" in every sense.

It's not a personal attack, it's based upon what this person has produced (nothing of substance), and saying that it means nothing until their claims can be validated. I say move it to skunk works or short stories...along with about 90% of the other threads around here.

Originally posted by Shoktek
Give me a break! What happened to "deny ignorance"? This very thread is a breeding ground for ignorance, created by someone who is either very delusional, or else attempting a hoax (and it's a rather poor job at that).

If this is a hoax that was perpetrated with pure intent to deceive, I will retract every statement I have made thus far. Unfortunately, I do believe this member truly believes what she has said. If that is delusional, then so be it. It is not ignorance. The only ignorance has been the way we have ridiculed her.

Ignorantly, Denying Ignorance.

Is it a solution or part of the problem?

Originally posted by Shoktek
Surely if there was anything remotely close to the truth within this person's maniacal claims, they would have some kind of credible evidence or proof, some information that is unique, or some other source to help back them up...this is not the case.

In an ideal world, Yes we would be faced with irrefutable evidence. But when is that ever the case? We have no definitive proof that aliens exist. Yet millions of people believe. I'm merely trying to say that, even though evidence does not currently exist, we should not jump to conclusions. Hell, jump to conclusions, that really is not the problem. Jumping to conclusions on the member is the problem.

Originally posted by Shoktek
It is a flimsy story that has been manufactured by one person for either entertainment, disinformation, or something else...but it is nothing more than a story.

You see, this is your opinion on the situation. Your opinion does not validate anything. It is Leslie's opinion that this is a valid discussion and what she says is true. Why is your opinion more valid than hers? Neither of you can substantiate anything you say? Hence the ongoing discussion.

Originally posted by Shoktek
If I posted up a thread saying that I had just gotten back from Afghanistan and met Osama, I would be "attacked" in the same way, and I would expect for that to happen...the claims made by this person are completely wacky and with no basis of evidence.

If you posted the story with the intent to deceive, you should be held accountable for those actions. As should Leslie if the time comes that we can proof she purposely trying to manipulate us. At this point in time, nobody can prove that. So it would only be our opinion.

Opinions are not facts.

Originally posted by Shoktek
When someone writes up a paper (or creates a thread), their theories and ideas mean zilch unless they can be proven with , or based upon some kind of hard information...anything other than what their own brain can come up with. If they fail to do this, then their ideas enter the realm of fiction/fantasy, and if the author still insists that it is true, real, and fact...usually people will come to realize and agree upon the fact that this person is "full of it" in every sense.

If something can not be proved immediately, it does not make it a work of fiction or make them full of it. It only stipulates that it is a work in progress.

Originally posted by Shoktek
It's not a personal attack, it's based upon what this person has produced (nothing of substance), and saying that it means nothing until their claims can be validated.

Again, a work in progress. Maybe Leslie is attempting to prove what she is claiming. Maybe we should give her the opportunity and the light of day to prove what she has claimed.

Claiming she is a wacko, nutjob, etc., is completely uncalled for and unnecessary. (Not saying you have said it personally, but others have)

If the time comes when all of you are correct, and this is nothing more than a hoax, I will apologize for my optimism and stand in line to criticize.

For the time being, Devil's Advocate it is.

In an ideal world, Yes we would be faced with irrefutable evidence. But when is that ever the case? We have no definitive proof that aliens exist. Yet millions of people believe. I'm merely trying to say that, even though evidence does not currently exist, we should not jump to conclusions. Hell, jump to conclusions, that really is not the problem. Jumping to conclusions on the member is the problem.

Yea, in normal situations this is good advice...but claiming the FBI captured Osama, in Brooklyn, based on the tip about his supposed myspace account? Come on!! Hence why this "theory" should be in the skunk works forum.

You see, this is your opinion on the situation. Your opinion does not validate anything. It is Leslie's opinion that this is a valid discussion and what she says is true. Why is your opinion more valid than hers? Neither of you can substantiate anything you say? Hence the ongoing discussion.

Because I'm not attempting to prove anything, and I'm not authoring this thread. She is. The responsibility of validation rests on her. All she has done so far is write up some more interesting stories of her FBI conversations, other cases that she helped crack, etc. Like Sherlock Holmes, but all she needs is a keyboard and a phone...no wonder the FBI got sick of talking to her (if she did talk to them at all).

Again, a work in progress. Maybe Leslie is attempting to prove what she is claiming. Maybe we should give her the opportunity and the light of day to prove what she has claimed.

She's had plenty of time to offer up any "proof". This is just turning into another one of those threads where a member comes on here, claims that they have some secret knowledge relating to a conspiracy or coming disaster, and proceeds to rack up their points by leading everyone on throughout 20 pages or more of storytelling.

I'm just saying it because it seems that ATS is attempting to go more "mainstream", and to improve the quality of its content...these theories that are completely "out there" have a nice place in the skunk works forum, but should not be polluting the rest of the board, imo.

But this member is different from the groves that have come in the past.

This member has politely stood her ground and avoided bickering amongst members. She has stuck to her points, and acknowledges the holes in her work. She admits to still working towards this goal, and only claims to be making a strong effort to bring a horrible man to justice.

How can we not respect her for that?

We've slapped her and said your ridiculous, she has responded with thank you for your input and I respect your opinion. We've followed up with a boot in the ass and said how stupid she sounds, which sparked an I am sorry to disappoint and I hope I can validate my claims in the future.

Don't quote me word for word on that, but the gist of the message is there.

I am standing up for the member who has shown us a tremendous amount of respect. I am not standing up for the content in which she proclaims to be true.

[edit on 3-1-2007 by chissler]

Leslie, with the U.S. presents gone in the region of Afganistan who would tend and protect the poppie fields. With OBL gone what reason would we have for staying in the region. Would it not be better to keep the OBL myth of him being alive to stay in control of the region and dismiss you as being crazy? Surely we wouldn't be over there for drugs turning it into cash to promote covert operations across the world. We are not in 167 countries to take over the world, we are there only to protect our world interests. So Leslie, I say never ever give up for your wisdom, instinct and detective work outsmarted the smartest. Here is a suggestion write a best seller book of fiction change the characters names and call it Tending the Poppie Fields. Then turn it into a thriller movie of your experiences with this case and by the way you deserve every penny. This will make you more money then any reward. Rik Riley


[edit on 3-1-2007 by rikriley]

Originally posted by chissler
I am standing up for the member who has shown us a tremendous amount of respect. I am not standing up for the content in which she proclaims to be true.

We've had plenty of polite and respectful trolls and hoaxers in the past...I'm not trying to judge her as a person, as obviously no one can do this over the internet. But the content that a person presents does heavily reflect on the person presenting it. If the content is "wacko", then people will naturally draw the same conclusion about the person...I just think it should be in skunk works, that's all.

I don't want to bring this any more of topic, so will wait to see if she has anything concrete to add to the story before posting again.

I don't think Leslie is the average Jane but I beleive she may be your average John. Her dry posts and lack of evidence remind me of Lear. If u are not. I'm sorry. Get over it. Thanks

Do we all here forget that the CIA had a vested interest in the Taliban durring the Soviet invasion of Afganistan?

Do we all here forget that Bin Laden was (still is?) a CIA asset?

What happened to "conspiracy theory"? This entire topic seems to me to present the side of "traditional media spin", abiet fictionalized to make a "good story".



[edit on 4-1-2007 by MystikMushroom]

Its reallly unbelievable that a story like this has already gone to 12 pages


Anybody with just a tad bit of sense will realise that this stroy is so full of holes and nothing other than utter rubish

What makes this thing even worse is the fact that the admin has also gone to the troubles of putting up a link at the top of the page for this garbage

Ats getting worse by the day but hey anything will be done to get even more members#, its all about quantity over quality