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A mason...
... it would seem to me that a Mason can technically be more trusted than those who have not made a similar vow.
...Since a Mason is sworn to Truth, there exists a deeper bond between Masons and truth than exists between those who have not taken such a vow.
Originally posted by Xcouncil=wisdom
Neat topic.
I dis-associated myself 12 years ago from the witnesses, not because I had differences in belief but because I wanted to live a guilt free life of drugs and sex. Well, since then I have realized that that led no-where.
Before I began working my way back into the organization (as for me I see them as having the most accurate version of the christian teaching ,personal veiw, not starting a fight!!!!!!) I did a bunch of internet searching about anti-witness info.
I too had come across the Russel was a mason story, and that mason's, like the witnesses, oppose the teaching of the cross? (witness's of course recognize the cross as a pre-christian idol adopted to bring in other religions when Rome made it the state religion, and that most executions of that time were done upon pikes, stakes/trees)
So, is that true about the mason's? Do they not pay homage the cross?
I'm curious
Originally posted by AllTiedTogether
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But these occultic and spiritualistic teachings of Russell's did not pass away when he died, but continue within the church of Jehovah's Witnesses. The church teaches the New Age belief that "Now we are in the end of this gospel age, and the kingdom [of Christ] is being established or set up." That this kingdom "will obtain full, universal control...in the earth, [and that] He whose right it is thus to take dominion will then be present as earth's new Ruler" who will reign over "the new order of things on earth" in "His millennial kingdom."
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The star on the original Watchtower seal has Masonic connotations, being used on Masonic Seals
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Today, Jehovah's Witnesses are told the Bible contains chronology which concludes that the year 1914 is an important prophetic date--the year of Christ's Second Coming, invisibly. Yet, according to the Watchtower's past teaching, the Great Pyramid also pointed to that year as the end of this world. It was claimed that 1914 and other important Biblical dates could be calculated by measuring the lengths of various passages and chambers in the pyramid. Actually one can trace calculation of the last generation to the pyramidology of C.T. Russell.
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Surely some of the evidence in pictures are not hoaxed and should suffice in saying there is a link. As was the intent of the OP. I'm sure much of the evidence is credible and proven within the links. I don't believe everything within that whole website to be deemed 100% authentically verified proven beyond a reasonable doubt information before I can believe there is reason to believe a link between the two organizations.
Would you like some more links of sites that have evidence? You the reader should be able to differentiate between the truth and lies. But numerous posts continue to say that you should not read such trash. Everyone in the world is against the mason....
They say prostitution is the oldest profession, I think it's freemasonry. Around for two million years throughout our civilization under different names. The link in my signature block provides a good start to understanding how history actually works.
Originally posted by AllTiedTogether
Please prove to me that those links I provided are not providing valid data proving the link between JW and masons. Let me know and I can provide another 50 or so links that you call lies also, should make the mason backers look rather silly to the sensible.
yes, russell did believe that, but he also used the cross, and he celebrated christmas (also pagan in origin). im not sure how dismissed beliefs prove that jw's are this satanic organization.
Originally posted by AllTiedTogether
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yes, russell did believe that, but he also used the cross, and he celebrated christmas (also pagan in origin). im not sure how dismissed beliefs prove that jw's are this satanic organization.
Your ability to disprove that there is a link between jehovah's witness and the masons, using statements like above, show that nothing to you would prove it. You acknowledge the link but we must dismiss it because he had other beliefs etc... Your mind is set and all these people are making up all these lies because of their disgust with JW. That would be like saying all the reasons for hating bush are all made up and just out there because of a few. Just walk around the evidence and find some way to discredit the contributor. Thanks, but I know when things are obvious.
Rgds
Originally posted by miriam0566
Originally posted by AllTiedTogether
i dont defend masons, i really dont care about anything regarding the masons. but trying to tie russell to them is tedious at best. and even if he was, jws have nothing to do with masons today. even their beliefs and objectives do not coincide.
so in other words... whats your point?
Actually the Masons structure ... as in of the organization is very similar to that of the JWs. Again this is probably because Russell based it on what he knew and the bible as well. Much of our structure like the Masons is based on the Mosaic Law. The Masons rules are very similar and their moral code. As you said you really don't know much about the Masons but i know both the Masons and the JWs as i am a JW and i am surrounded by Masons in my family.
There beleifs and objectives are actually quite similar. Keeping in mind Masons ideals are not religious but moral codes of conduct. Based on the 1921 (date might be a bit off) Encylopedia of Masons ... something or other the rules of conduct or acceptance read; 1 - you must believe in the supreme God Jehovah. That's what it says. 2 - to care for your family. 3 - to care for your community (or those around you) ... you know ... "Love thy neighbor." And then 4th comes the Masonic brotherbood. I have seen both the JW brotherhood and the Masonic brotherhood at work and i gotta say while i as a JW can rely on help from other JWs. That help is no more readily available that that which my family gets from the Masons when needed.
I think people think of the Masons as doing something wrong because of the preceived secrecy. Also because way back in the day this was what teh church told people. Basically anything they couldn't get in on was instantly evil, lol. But to understand you have to go back into their history. It's along story to tell and 4000 characters is nowhere near enough to do it but i will make it simple. In the beginning it was punishable by death to be a Templar or even a "Stone Mason". So the members were sworn to secrecy under the threat of death. Because if they told anyone where they were meeting or who the members were they would all be in jeopardy.
The ceremony still is used but more to symbolize the importants of being a member and the brootherhood. No less ceremonial that the multiple (4 i think) evenings (and don't get me wrong its only about 30 minutes per evening ... not some weird bible torture, lol) of biblical questions that a JW has to answer when considering becoming a baptized member.
People think that Mason ceremonies are weird or cult like but we have all sorts of ceremonies in our life. Wedding, graduation, "please rise for the judge" and "put your right hand on the bible...", and so on. Heck as a JW even getting batpized is a ceremony. You are already dedicated when it takes place so it is symbolic and you answer two questions out loud for all to hear. That's a ceremony.
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by SpeakerofTruth
I guess after writing this I can be called a apostate sorry if your a witness still, just pointing out some truth I wouldn't tell anyone not to reaserch the facts from all souces even "apostates"
Originally posted by Xcouncil=wisdom
Neat topic.
I dis-associated myself 12 years ago from the witnesses, not because I had differences in belief but because I wanted to live a guilt free life of drugs and sex. Well, since then I have realized that that led no-where.
Before I began working my way back into the organization (as for me I see them as having the most accurate version of the christian teaching ,personal veiw, not starting a fight!!!!!!) I did a bunch of internet searching about anti-witness info.
I too had come across the Russel was a mason story, and that mason's, like the witnesses, oppose the teaching of the cross? (witness's of course recognize the cross as a pre-christian idol adopted to bring in other religions when Rome made it the state religion, and that most executions of that time were done upon pikes, stakes/trees)
So, is that true about the mason's? Do they not pay homage the cross?
I'm curious
Originally posted by AllTiedTogether
No link you say...
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NO LINK?
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NO LINK?
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NO LINK?
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NO LINK? Here's one from David Icke
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NO LINK?
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NO LINK?
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Surely some of the evidence in pictures are not hoaxed and should suffice in saying there is a link. As was the intent of the OP. I'm sure much of the evidence is credible and proven within the links.
Originally posted by AllTiedTogetherI don't believe everything within that whole website to be deemed 100% authentically verified proven beyond a reasonable doubt information before I can believe there is reason to believe a link between the two organizations.
Would you like some more links of sites that have evidence? You the reader should be able to differentiate between the truth and lies. But numerous posts continue to say that you should not read such trash. Everyone in the world is against the mason....
They say prostitution is the oldest profession, I think it's freemasonry. Around for two million years throughout our civilization under different names. The link in my signature block provides a good start to understanding how history actually works.
Rgds