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Let's have a debate...you pick the topic itll be like pti

only baseball though...

I'm not gonna debate using the on-screen keyboard... sorry. Clicking every letter I want will take way to long. Be patient... the Debate will come.

[Edited on 9/17/2005 by GiantsFan]

COOL DUDE

I WANNA DEBATE MAKE THE DEBATE

A Debate between you and Enos... I pick the topics and the sides?

umm...okay, enos?

sure thing DOC:party-smiley-018:

lets do this thing

umm...where do i go(asked as a serious question, and from the bk lounge)

Topic: Can a DH be MVP?

Sides:

EnosSlaughter- Aganst DH MVP's

Crawford89- For DH MVP's



Rules

Responses should be truthful, containing accurate stats and statements. All entries should be 2 pargraphs or longer. No insulting.

Good luck.. I will decide the winner when I see fit.

jeez im not for them at all but i do love edgar, ill give it a shot

Originally posted by Crawford89
jeez im not for them at all but i do love edgar, ill give it a shot

That will make the debate difficult, but will make you even more superior... that is if you actually win.

I don't believe a DH should ever win the MVP award because a MVP candidate who plays the field is always out there and solidifies a position to his team. The only case being if the D.H. puts up astronomical numbers such as breaking HR records, RBI records, average, etc. or just completely out does a field-playing candidate.

A prime example of this topic is happening this year with Alex Rodriguez(plays field) and David Ortiz(Red Sox D.H.). They are both having great years at the plate. Ortiz leads in RBI's, Rodriguez leads in Average, and they are tied in Home Runs. These numbers show they are about even. However, Ortiz sits on the bench when his team is in the field. Rodriguez is not only an everyday player, he is a premiere 3rd basemen in this league. He put together a string of over 60 games without an error earlier this season. This is very "valuable" to his team. Another advantage Rodriguez has is that he is very fast and is a threat on the bases. I'm not only using this one example, most D.H. are slower than say position players. If you go down the line of D.H.'s you will see that most of them are not baserunning threats.

So in closing of the post in saying that if a DH is gonna win an MVP he's gonna have to put up Babe Ruth type numbers. A D.H. can not solitify a one of the 8 positions like a position player does for his team.

[Edited on 9/17/05 by EnosSlaughter]

I believe that Dh's should be allowed to be mvp's beacuse of a few reasons. First off, a pitcher is completely accepted as being the MVP if they are of such value to their team, and they dominate the league
ONLY USING NL FOR EXAMPLE
In the NL- Bob Gibson won in 1968 (others won dont have time to list
that season he was 22-9, pitched 300 innings, had 28 complete games and 13 shutouts, his era was an insane 1.12 (era+ was 258!) 268 K'S AND A WHIP OF .85.

thE person that finished 2nd in the voting being .13 shares below gibson was pete rose, batting 335 with a 391 obp...
the 68 reds were 83-79, and the cards were 96-66, and got to the world series
Clearly Gibson was of more value.
Now pitchers dont have to hit, in the nl they do but they arent expected to.
So why cant they same rule apply with dh's?
They're job is to help their respective teams score runs and if they do that, and extremely well, they should be allowed a taste of the MVP.

For example- A DH has a 345 avg, 467 obp, 754 slg, 56 homers, 154 rbis, scored 131 runs. and contributed for 46% of his teams runs getting them to the playoffs
A 2b has a 301 avg, 405 obp, 654 slg, 50 homers, and 141 rbis with 140 runs scored, but had a fielding pct 995, contributing to 40% of his teams runs and didnt make the playoffs, who would you choose

Sure, fielding helps a team win, but that doesnt mean that a player that doesnt field should be punished for it. If a DH creates runs, and contributes alot to his team, shuld deserve an mvp.

If Pitchers that just pitch can do it...why cant hitters that hit do it?


So if david ortiz was awarded the mvp this year, i would say yea he deserved it, he helped his team make the playoffs.

this was kind of hard because i dont agree with a dh mvp, so i think will wins this one

dont give up ...just let him decide...they were both valid arguments...if either one of us wins it doesnt make either smarter...its just what you do with what you get

I'm assuming your both done, so I will return shortly to announce my "verdict". Great posts by the way:party-smiley-018:

Thanks giants fan....this is good preparation for the big one later

that was my longest post too i ntihkn