Tunnels under America!

A couple of points.

1. The only tunnels i've heard about are in states that have little to no earthquakes, and have no big buildings.

2. If you went down far enough then started the tunnels, it would actually strengthen the soil above, allah the arch, and there are already a vast underground canal system formed naturally, so adding shouldn't be that big of a deal.

Just thoughts not facts.......

Originally posted by THENEO
Some good posts!

There is believed to be nuclear powered tunnelling machines used by the military which actually melt rock rather than bore through it.

This process produces a hard, smooth and sealed tunnel that looks like a glass tube.

These tunnels would be hundreds of feet below ground and would avoid for the most part any surface interference.

That does not make much sense. Even if you melted the rock, you would still have to remove the liquified rock, which would cool back to a solid fairly quickly. Furthermore, how would you keep the machine and the nuclear containment system from melting also?

What would happen if you ran into a coal seam?
(underground coal fires are no joke)

I do remeber seeing someting like that in a bad Japanese movie once, but I kind of doubt that it is real.

Here's another link to the machines.

www.detailshere.com...

link

I'm sure they have machines that can drill faster than 15 to 30 feet a day.

I guess about 400 to 600 feet per day.

Excellent points...

1) What happens to all the excavated soil? We are talking about MOUNTAINS of it, easy to spot from space.

A: The majority of the boring is through rock...the machines in question (not the ones in the pics) are said to not just be drilling, but vaporizing, the rock...

2) Ventilation ducts, pumping stations, all sorts of odds and sods should be on the surface, not one indication that they are there.

A: It's fairly easy to disguise such things in above ground structures that hide it's true purpose...this is already done in countless public underground facilities.

3) Absolute lack of any evidence that they exist outside of heresay evidence of "somones friend / brother / uncle

A: Not true...we know of plenty underground massive bases, such as NORAD, and Mount Weather, as well as the underground portions of several major bases. I myself have seen such tunnels present in middle eastern nations, and since most of the personel were either German, English, or American (the ones building them), I can only assume that we have them too...(and this was back in the early 80's)

4) 1000's of people must be involved, not just at the tunnel face, but office, admin, catering, waste removal, etc etc etc. No way would this be kept silent for so long.

A: True, and just like any contractors, etc. building top secret bunkers and bases, they are security cleared, and could be jailed or worse for divulging info on it...and they are paid well... There are obviously other, well known subterrainean base portions and silos...so someone had to have built them... Remember, the military has their own construction details anyhow....

[Edited on 5-12-2003 by Gazrok]

I've seen these tunnels with my own eyes. I've never dared to walk down them, I've been told about poisonous gasses being flooded into it if someone unrecognised comes into them. They have portals all over our streets, our neighborhoods, and our field. This must be how the MIB can get at us so quickly, they just drive down the tunnels to the place they need to go, and have a car waiting for them there, or beamed down.

Since their DNA is so vastly different from ours, not being human and all, they can pass through the tunnels without getting gassed. I've even heard about one guy getting hit by a huge kinnetic particle which must have been about 40 to 50 meters long, just to make sure it got him. Cut him completely in half. All because his DNA didn't match that of a grey, reptoid, or MIB.

Another person in that same tunnel system found out what their real use was, and started to urinate into it, and got electrocuted by some invisible weapon killing him.

The media has been threatened, and warned, and don't dare go against the NWO, or the MIB. They have families. So they report what they're told to report. If they even bother to report on the story, they do so saying the person died by mundane causes, but we all know better.

There's no place to run, the tunnels are everywhere, except to Tibet. We need to run to Tibet, they can protect us. The mountains and hills are our only sanctuary from the MIB, Greys, Reptoids, and the NWO. So run my friends, before they find you, and kill you to silence you. I am already dead, I've said too much. You must run to Tibet and carry on my message. I may die, but the truth must live on!

Well...I won't go that far, but underground tunnels connecting bases, isn't fantasy...it's practicality, and common military practice, especially in the middle east.

Originally posted by HowardRoark

Originally posted by THENEO
Some good posts!

There is believed to be nuclear powered tunnelling machines used by the military which actually melt rock rather than bore through it.

This process produces a hard, smooth and sealed tunnel that looks like a glass tube.

These tunnels would be hundreds of feet below ground and would avoid for the most part any surface interference.

That does not make much sense. Even if you melted the rock, you would still have to remove the liquified rock, which would cool back to a solid fairly quickly. Furthermore, how would you keep the machine and the nuclear containment system from melting also?

What would happen if you ran into a coal seam?
(underground coal fires are no joke)

I do remeber seeing someting like that in a bad Japanese movie once, but I kind of doubt that it is real.

First of all I am not an expert on the technology. The information I saw indicated that the machine melts the rock and then it cools around the machine to form the smooth walled surface. I am guessing here but most melted substances take up much less space then when in a solid form.

Yes hitting a coal seam would be a problem and hitting other areas. There is now a global satellite system that does exploration, not sure of the technology, from high above. Under the ground itself I assume there is methods to determine what is ahead of you.

If this technology parallels other military technology then it could be quite advanced and not known to most people above ground.

Interesting thread all. Here are some questions for ya.

1. Does anyone know of any sources of good information on this? Where could I start looking?

2. I remember when last I visited San Fransisco, I took the BART (which is their rail system) under the bay to San Fran proper. One of the things I noticed was that when it went under the bay, because we were decending further underground, the airpressure changed, so our ears popped. WHen we came above aground again, the same thing happened. What I am wondering is how far underground are these places, and how would they handle this problem?

Originally posted by Gazrok
Well...I won't go that far, but underground tunnels connecting bases, isn't fantasy...it's practicality, and common military practice, especially in the middle east.

I agree completely, not just for the Middle East, but in the US as well. Like I said -- think of how much it would aid in resupply or redeployment in an invasion or some kind of attack on US soil.

We already know that some underground bunkers and other facilities exist, so the next step would be to find some way to connect them and add to this network.

Wasn't there an underground base found in Virginia because of a plane crash? I remember reading about it. Also there was a large hotel in West Virginia with an underground facility large enough to house top government officials in case of a nuclear attack. Don't you just love it they are preparing their own giant luxury accomendations and telling school kids to crawl under their desk. Heck even as a child I knew that would not work, anybody else recall those drills of scooting out of your desk hitting the floor and rolling under your desk, that was back in the day of girls had to wear dresses to school, that floor was cold!

Originally posted by goose
Wasn't there an underground base found in Virginia because of a plane crash? I remember reading about it. Also there was a large hotel in West Virginia with an underground facility large enough to house top government officials in case of a nuclear attack. Don't you just love it they are preparing their own giant luxury accomendations and telling school kids to crawl under their desk. Heck even as a child I knew that would not work, anybody else recall those drills of scooting out of your desk hitting the floor and rolling under your desk, that was back in the day of girls had to wear dresses to school, that floor was cold!

Ah yes, the duck and cover drills. Not much different than the recent duct tape and plastic suggestions to prevent bio-terrorism from getting into your home, I think.

As for the installation you spoke of, I believe that would be the Greenbriar, which has since not only been revealed but tours are given. You can also rent the complex for corporate retreats or family reunions, if I recall.

demonhunter you are too smart, I just finally found a link, its quite interesting about how everyone who worked there that knew kept it a secret and about Bush Cheney visit there recently, the link is www.travelintelligence.net... I am currently searching for the one in Va. found as a result of a plane crash.

The Greenbrier was a resort for the mega-rich for many years before they were approached by the feds to construct a new wing, which is where the bunker is located. I've seen a few documentaries that show the whole thing on Discovery Channel, History Channel, and TLC.

Mount Weather (Bluemont, VA) is another facility located nearby and may be the one you're looking for, though I don't know of any plane crashes there.

Searching for additional sites on underground um... sites, I remembered this one:

www.crystalinks.com...

Hit the "Post Reply" button instead of the "Preview Post" button.

Anyway, that site has some info on other tunnels that have existed for much longer than we've been around. Rumors of ancient tunnels and caverns under NY, Maryland and California are mentioned.

One of the problems drilling tunnels would also be water, here at my house we had to have a well drilled for water, we hit water at 60 feet but not much we had to go down to 360 feet. Wouldn't water be something that would be a major problem here in my hometwon we have a mining operation that has went on for years currently they are pumping the water out but when they close they recently bought up a lot of land due to it is going to flood all those areas.

Good digging, forgive the pun!

A point was brought up here that has not really been addressed and that is of exhaust and air tunnels etc. My understanding is that any underground facility ultimately needs some type of venting. Mind you I am not fully aware of all exchange and recycling techs out there but it seems obvious that there would be some need for terran openings.

We would agree that these could be disguised in many ways or just located in rural or difficult to access areas. I have come across stories where people have stumbled upon these very openings and pursued them for a ways but not finding any real indication of what the shafts were for. They were often in mountainous areas and often cut right in the rock bed itself. Often people heard noice or felt heat in the shafts. Some described these shafts as bottomless in effect. Others describe doors and traps encountered while exploring them. Sorry but I have no links to point to now for this but you may come across such stories on your own.

If these tunnels do exist and someone has found and explored to some degree one of the ventilation shafts... there has to be pictures somewhere. links...

ANYONE???

Heres a page of links for tunnels,underground bases and the like for anyone interested.

www.sauderzone.com...

I found them to be very informative.

Originally posted by Gazrok

A: The majority of the boring is through rock...the machines in question (not the ones in the pics) are said to not just be drilling, but vaporizing, the rock...

OK, If they are vaporizing the rock, how are the "vapours" being handled? Are any of them toxic? I seems to me that since rocks and minerals are composed of a large variety of elements, if you were to "vapourize" rock, some of the vapours would be rather toxic. If you were "varourizing" through fractured bedrock, you would have to be carefull that some of those toxic vapours did not seep through into a water table and into someones private well.

Also, the amount of 'vapours" that would be released from a square foot of rock would be fairly high, don't you think? Add to this the fact that the vapours would be heated up and you have a huge volume of gas you would have to expell.

Again, there is the question of the excess heat. How do they handle this? What if the rock is an aquifer?

What if there are coal and gas formations?

Originally posted by HowardRoark

Originally posted by Gazrok

A: The majority of the boring is through rock...the machines in question (not the ones in the pics) are said to not just be drilling, but vaporizing, the rock...

OK, If they are vaporizing the rock, how are the "vapours" being handled? Are any of them toxic? I seems to me that since rocks and minerals are composed of a large variety of elements, if you were to "vapourize" rock, some of the vapours would be rather toxic. If you were "varourizing" through fractured bedrock, you would have to be carefull that some of those toxic vapours did not seep through into a water table and into someones private well.

Also, the amount of 'vapours" that would be released from a square foot of rock would be fairly high, don't you think? Add to this the fact that the vapours would be heated up and you have a huge volume of gas you would have to expell.

Again, there is the question of the excess heat. How do they handle this? What if the rock is an aquifer?

What if there are coal and gas formations?

I'm sure they don't just go drilling around blindly. Give these peopel SOME credit, and assume they can avoid things like water tables by using that wierd ultrasound stuff or soemthing. As for the vaporizationa angle, I'm sure they dump it into the atmosphere like any good megacorp would.

And where did this magic concern for human life appear from? The people digging these tunnels aren't exactly saints...

DE