Native New Zealanders

I am just posting to say I agree with pretty much everything Alien has said there. I also have done a little study on this area (treaty of Waitangi and NZ history) as it has been a big part of my job in the past and I think Alien has the situation pretty much nailed. A good read thanks Alien.

Basically the Maori signed a treaty that hasn't been honoured as it should. History in NZ has not been completely faithfully taught as well. It has improved a lot over the last 20 years in terms of accuracy, but back when I was in school - 20 yrs + now - the history of NZ was rather .... biased I guess. When I got out of school and had to get into further study of this I was a little horrified at what I had been taught at school.

I am not sure if I should mention or not - after all it shouldn't be relevant to the truth - but I am pakeha/white.

[edit on 24-8-2005 by whita]

I wouldnt like anybody to think i was biased against Maori at all.
far from it, my Iwi is Ngati Tumatauenga.
(and Ngati Pakeha) LOL
i just think that justified claim is one thing.
going over-board is another thing entirely.
i mean air space rights?

[edit on 25-8-2005 by Wardr08e]

Ngati Tumatauenga????

Interesting iwi there fulla!!! Is that the North, Central or Southern Marae???

The_Camel is from the Southern one.

So Pakehas then .... should be called "Ma tane" or "Tane Ma"? (White man)

Sure beats being mistaken for a bucket of lice!!

Taking the word Pakeha out of the language would sure go a long way to removing some of the hate


Kia Kaha .... Kura Takahe Puni fulla :roll

Having lived in central Australia, my family have lived there twice, I know *something* of indiginous peoples and the problems/semi-subjugation they face.

I guess the difference between the Aborigines/Kooris and the Maoris as far as Aussies are concerned was always the fact that the Maoris reisisted, actively and relatively successfully. They were a tough-guy warrior race. The Aborigines were hunter-gatherers who got royally screwed.

The Maoris lived in a much smaller and more abundant area and were far more socially integrated (tribally) with each other, to the point where Potatau Te Wherowhero was made the first Maori King in an effort to give the Maoris a spokesman/focal point for negotiations with the Brits.

The (native) American Indian analogy is far closer to the Maoris than the Australian Aborigines. I guess they got political at about the same time as well. I don't know a great deal about American Indian history, just a few PBS-style doco series, a little reading, the film Thunderheart (which regardless of accuracy is just way COOL) and the accompanying doco about Leonard Peltier, but it seems that AIM got the Indians angry about the same time or just a little before the Maoris began to assert themselves in New Zealand. It took the government of Bob Hawke (with some exceptions) for anything to happen for the Aborigines.

If the Maoris want precedent, just look at Uranium royalties in Kakadu. The government gives them to the Kooris because its cheaper than giving them money straight out of the budget. Plus it's conscience money.

I find it interesting that such a self-confessed, left-wing, small-L liberal as Helen Clark would ignore the Waitangi committee's recommendations, that just smacks of John Howard's refusal to say sorry to the "stolen generation".

reply to post by alien

knowledge of the Kawa (customs) behind kaitangata (cannibalism)

RE: Kaitangata

This door is (was?) on a carved house called Kaitangata on Mana Island off New Zealand; Kaitanga also is a Maori god who was married to the goddess Whaitiri and father of the Polynesian god-hero Tawhaki.

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Kaitangata was located on Mana Island, north of Wellington, on the West Coast of the North Island and was considered to be an important carved house.

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KAITANGATA. (myth.), a son of the god Rehua. He was slain by Rupe (Maui-mua) in an accidental manner… 2. A man beloved by Whaitiri (Thunder). She was fond of human flesh, and, deceived by the name (Kai-tangata, “man eater,”) …

I was intrigued by the name "Kaitangata" - translated as Kai-tangata, “man eater” - but as "gata" suggests "gate," I did a little digging. Remembering the Tower of Babel, I think the original meaning is, um, strongly suggestive:

kaitan - Indonesian - "connection"
Kaiten - Japanese: 回天, literal translation: "Return to the sky"

gata - old Norse - "path" or road
gata - Swedish, Icelandic, Norwegian - "street"
gata - Serbian - pier; Filipino - extract; Romanian - ready


~ sofi



PS. Found the photo for a thread on stargates…