The Paranoics Playground.

I would like to propose some other theories about the current conspiracy issues:

It seems inconsistent that if one believes that aliens are amongst us, they are also highly likely to believe 9/11 was a conspiracy, and are also highly likely to believe a new world order is being imposed and so on. It appears if you subscribe to one conspiracy theory, you subscribe to them all. I find this a strange coincidence. These people appear to have spun themselves an overwhelming dark web of conspiracy as a barrier to hold up against their future and the future of humanity. Rarely, almost never are their conspiracies of benevolent from, consistent malevolence is required to keep their minds on constant edge. These people are anti-conformist by nature and feel an unexplainable urge to be part of the so called 'counter-culture' or 'underground'. They are separated from the mainstream of society, the majority have sought refuge in the 'new age conspiracism movement. However the most notable members of the 'new age conspiracist' movement will be the people who chose to enter it, shunning their former beliefs. Just as the most radical religeous believers are very often converts, these are the converts to the conspiracist movement. These people will lead the movement and push it towards unforeseen extremes.

The best possible explanation I have concluded for this is that these people are the first, or some of the first to show signs of 'future shock'.

Future shock describes 'the shattering stress and disorientation that we induce in individuals by subjecting them to too much change in too short a time'. 'The psycho-biological condition can be described in medical and psychiatric terms. It is the disease of change.'

The parallels between religion and conspiracism are huge, but go easily unnoticed even by the conspiracist and worshipper. Put simply - Heaven is to the Christian as 'The Truth' is to the conspiracist. They believe as soon as the public consciousness is aware of this truth, all will be good. Just as a Christian believes as soon as the world is all Christian, all will be good. The conspiracist and religeous crowds will argue their cause to the end, just as any people of separate religions would be expected to. No proof or evidence is required for the conspiracist or the worshipper, just faith or willingness to believe.

Over history times of increased change encounter increased oppostion. This is the sign of future shock. Conspiracism is the oppostion to change, and a dangerous one. People live in increasingly separated realities, most move to simple alternative realities such as the television. However these conspiracists move towards a dangerous attitude of non-conformity which will undoubtably as the acceleration of change increases will result in increased segregation from the mass and if allowed to evolve unchecked turn into a threat to organized government and order. The conspiracists see only their point of view, just as religeous extremists see only their point of view. Through the development of communication these conspiracists will be capable of forming groups in which they will become radicalized to their beliefs and if left unchecked will form segregated groups willing to promote their beliefs through whatever methods they see fit. There was a large movement of counter-culturalism during the 70's due to the large technological leaps beings made, notably the introduction of the computer. As automation of production and an ever increasing diversity of choice enters current society occurs oppostion will occur. Not all of this opposition will be of the conspiracist crowd, many will revert to past techniques such as that of the hippy counter scene - This can be seen to emerging at the current time, there has been a significant increase in 'revolutionary lyrics' and popular counter culture music recently and a massive increase in so called Anti-Americanism spurred on not only by war in the Middle East but an increased resistance to change.

This 'new age conspiricism' I have concluded is the slowly emerging threat to society. It cannot be prevented and as I have stated is the result of a mixture of future shock and separation. It will continue to grow and has deep rooted opposition in the idea of a single world government which eventually will emerge. This government will be deemed evil by them and opposed, undoubtably many will die in this oppostion fighting for what they truely believe in. The introduction of the internet has started the rapid growth of this movement and it will gain ground over the following decade forming a genuine oppostion rooted with its own ideas and theories as to how society should be run and by whom.

Paul, see the irony here.

You seem to be paranoid of the paranoids. Like they are hatching some grand conspiricy to take over the world. You have become what you despise.

Can't we all just get along?

Merry Christmas my brother!

[edit on 20-12-2006 by whaaa]

what a great post.

Originally posted by superpaul55

This 'new age conspiricism' I have concluded is the slowly emerging threat to society. It cannot be prevented and as I have stated is the result of a mixture of future shock and separation. It will continue to grow and has deep rooted opposition in the idea of a single world government which eventually will emerge. This government will be deemed evil by them and opposed, undoubtably many will die in this oppostion fighting for what they truely believe in. The introduction of the internet has started the rapid growth of this movement and it will gain ground over the following decade forming a genuine oppostion rooted with its own ideas and theories as to how society should be run and by whom.

it is sad to see thw world moving towards globalism. but, i agree, it cant be stoped.

i just want to know, how long is it going to take, before everyone starts to trade fair......cough cough china cough......

Great read. Well written and many points are spot-on in my opinion. I for one have a true interest/belief in the extraterrestrial. I do not however prescribe to 9/11, NWO's, chemtrails, HAARP, or any other conspiracy theory.

I'm wondering what that makes me?

Thanks!

I'm more in line with Becker, and suspect their are many others equally selective, for lack of a better term, with 'conspiracies' we subscribe to.

Although an exhasutvie essay with some valid points (for example, I agree there are probably many who wish to believe that the world has run amok with conspiracies), I think there is not enough credence given to the middle tier - plenty of folks who think something may be amiss with one or another enigma in society but have also concluded that there are logical, believable explanations for many of the others...

Intriguing concept though - probably not too far off the mark...

When you question the matter of fair trade, I belive fair trade will emerge when it is benefical to all groups, it will be beneficial to all groups when all groups are one - i.e - when a single world government exists. Until that point it is not plausible to expect anyone to drop their methods of protectionism, would you?

This does not by any means attack those who have an interest in extra terrestrials and their technology. A new age conspiracist has a totally anti-authoritarian attitude towards all and will often be totally unwilling to engage in debate about their beliefs. It is a matter of attitude, not interest.

Originally posted by superpaul55
When you question the matter of fair trade, I belive fair trade will emerge when it is benefical to all groups, it will be beneficial to all groups when all groups are one - i.e - when a single world government exists. Until that point it is not plausible to expect anyone to drop their methods of protectionism, would you?

while i agree with what you say, it is a fact, that china has agreed to certian measures apon entering the WTO.

they have not lived up to thier agreement. this is causing great trouble.
(dont mean to get off-topic)

I would never expect China to live up to its agreed measures, neither would I expect America to live up to its agreed measures. They are of course in competition.

Originally posted by superpaul55
It seems inconsistent that if one believes that aliens are amongst us, they are also highly likely to believe 9/11 was a conspiracy, and are also highly likely to believe a new world order is being imposed and so on. It appears if you subscribe to one conspiracy theory, you subscribe to them all. I find this a strange coincidence.

What about people who consider them all, believes in nothing and has ideas about everthing? Seriously, you are tarring everybody with an arrogant brush! So, do you believe in everything you read in mainstream? Do you not think that can qualify as being mentally distutrbed? Do you really believe that this world is being run free of conspiracy? Bet you dont, so is it you and you alone that knows which conspiracy is real or not?

It will continue to grow and has deep rooted opposition in the idea of a single world government which eventually will emerge. This government will be deemed evil by them and opposed, undoubtably many will die in this oppostion fighting for what they truely believe in.

[bolded mine]

Eh? You believe that a one world government will emerge BECAUSE there is a deep rooted opposition to it?

Can you provide some evidence that 'revolutionary lyrics' are on the increase?

Resistence to change? I wonder how many people believed we should be living like the Jetsons by now? Or mining Mars and having to deal with Solar Hippies?

FUTURE SHOCK.

Excellent and objective read.

I can see how being overwhelmed by change can manifest in a myriad of ways as the individual seeks to understand what is happening to them.

I continue to view the alien agenda as a metaphor, and look beyond the fact that I don't nessecarily belive in "aliens" myself (even though I find the possibility fascinating)...I cannot in good faith isolate or discredit another indiviudual who has chosen to relate his future shock with tales of alien abductions, reptilians, grays, or any other metaphor for the real issue.

In fact, as I've stated before, I actually admire the creativity of these individuals to put their pieces together in such a format - it makes for great storytelling and an interesting way to approach a subject from a different perspective.

I guess I'm trying to say, let's not discount the PERSON because of the THEORY or willingness to believe. We are all vaulable contributors to the world.

It sure would be boring otherwise.

To Dae
I am in no way 'tarring everyone with an arrogant brush', you appear to be tarring yourself however:

I did not state that there was or wasn't a conspiracy - I stated those that believe there is a conspiracy. I neither stated that I believe everything I read in the 'mainstream'.

Also put in simpler terms:

The movement will continue to grow, it has deep rooted oppostion in a single world government, the single world government will eventually emerge.

I did not state a single world government will emerge due to the opposition to it.

I cannot prove to you the increased number of revolutionary lyrics. It is just something I have noticed in the last 3 years or so.

Possibly the resistence to change is why we are not mining mars or 'living like the jetsons'.

I suggest rather than picking sentences apart you actually come up with some real criticism. I find your unnecessary aggression quite unjust.

Originally posted by superpaul55
I would never expect China to live up to its agreed measures, neither would I expect America to live up to its agreed measures. They are of course in competition.

what do you mean?
america has opened it's self up to "dumping" by any country who wants to.

They are global competitors. Their militaries and economies compete for dominance. When you say "dumping" I don't understand.

Originally posted by superpaul55
When you say "dumping" I don't understand.

dumping...
now im no economist, so if i mangle this, im sorry.

it's when the trade barriers such as tarrifs are dropped, and a company or country can import and sell in your country much much cheaper than you can produce and sell in your own country.

its because the equation is unbalanced.
you have on the one side, a worker with no benefits paid 2$ a day.
on the other side you a worker in a union, who gets full medical, full 401k, holiday pay, flex time pay, workers comp, social security, and to top it off gets paid 250$ a day.

not to mention, no quotas on the US side. but restrictive quotas on the china side.

then you have the pegged currency issue.......

ok, ill stop now.....

I believe America is the most rigorous imposers of tariffs on the planet. I seriously doubt they have left themselves open to attack by China. If they have I would have never expected it and am sure they will revert at some point.

Originally posted by superpaul55
I believe America is the most rigorous imposers of tariffs on the planet.

ahhhh ok.
i have nothing more to add.

now why did i know it was superpaul that made this thread just by reading the tittle of the thread? well i know why but anyways...


i have no clue what you are doing on this board paul, it's completely out of your element.



somebody who is bored? a troll? a disinfo agent everyone speak of?
whatever it is, it's not healthy for this board.

oh and you missinterpret paranoya with open minded paul.

i am open to everything but it does not mean that i automaticaly agree with everything i read but i won't bash it either.

however, it doesn't mean that i automaticaly judge someones words to be crazy and then go out of my way to insult them constantly all over this board in different threads like you have done paul.

Why is it that every time someone starts a thread there will be a pack of wolves to come along and to bash it to the ground... why can't people just stay away from threads that will cause confrontations?

if you don't like a thread stay away from it and let the open minded people discuss what they want.

now next time you see a thread you find crazy paul stay away from it because when people discuss in a thread it doesn't mean that they agree 100% with the thread it just means that they are 100% open to all the possibilities that are out there and are interested in a open minded conversation.

"No proof or evidence is required for the conspiracist or the worshipper"

It seems to me that proof and evidence is what most people on this forum seek.

The OP is lumping everyone together into an absurd extremist type cartoon character. I don't buy it.

"if you don't like a thread stay away from it and let the open minded people discuss what they want"

Actions are greater than words.