The Day I Died: Near Death Experience - Video

This is also the argument of the skeptics, that a NDE might occur when the brain is still active, only the patient feels it happened when they were dead....

I presume those "skeptics"' brains have flatlined themselves...?

Are we to understand that those oh-so-worship-worthy machines can suddenly - at those self-styled skeptics' convenience, it seems - become unreliable, to the point of not performing their basic task which is to record brain activity? (Because it's not the patients who determine they are "dead" - it's the physicians around them.)

And I wonder, how would Susan Blackmore, for example (who features in the programme), explain the born-blind woman's case?
They didn't ask her. Why? That's my main and only reproach to the authors.


(I am not arguing with you, BTW. )







[edit on 17-3-2008 by Vanitas]

I liked the story about the blind woman, who had never seen colour until her nde experience.

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i had it happen to me...
i had a bad case od pnemonia and i coughed up blood in my lungs in my sleep and choked on it.
i dont remember any dreams or seeing anything, it was pitch black.. i did not feel mo body, nor did i see my body, it felt as if i was air. I started floating up and i seen a a bright light, but it was far away. as i began coming toward it it got bigger, then i went into the white light and it felt as i flew into my body. as i opened my eyes, i seen emt and police officer, but i didnt pay them no attention as i my body felt heavy. After entering the white light, it felt as i entered my body and it became so heavy and hard to move (felt like i was 1000 LBS)... after 1 week when i got out of hospital, the same night my grandmother(she lives in Russia and i live in USA) had a dream that my mom came to visit her but she was alone and my grandmother asked "where is my A..." and my mom said i came alone because A is no more" and my grandmother was surprised "what do u mean no more?" and my mother replied "no more" and what is crazy is that she had no idea what happened to me at that time yet she had that dream... its crazy

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I did not have an NDE but feel this is similar. About a year ago. I am not religious whatsoever, though was raised Catholic. Not atheistic but agnostic maybe. I do not think that has any bearing on this experience. I was very depressed about many things (husband not getting along, teenage son not doing well and with a chronic illness). I stayed up very late and was out in the garage just sobbing. I swear to you, suddenly time stopped. I mean that seriously. For maybe all of 30 seconds. But it stopped. Surreal. Seemed longer. I am a degreed Computer Scientist, and wanna be Physicist. It was raining, the rain stopped. And no, no one spoke to me or anything like that. But things became "clear". Like I sort of "got" it, got it all. I can't explain now. The exact memory escapes me. But the peace remains. I've told many friends. I think they just humor me. But to me it was completely real. I frankly don't give a flip if anyone understands, I can't blame them. It was the most life changing moment of my life and I still can't explain why.

hey thanks for bumping this thread, its one of my favourites, i would love to hear any more accounts from people, either who have expereinced one themselves, or can recount someone else's.

For people that havent followed this thread, and who are interested in this subject, i recommend watching the video on post 1, that instigated me to start this thread in the first place.

This subject is one i find the most fascinating, and yes, i know there is plenty of speculation about the validity of NDE's, but there is also alot of material out there, that makes you wonder, which defies science, and its explanations for this.

So please take the time to watch the video, because for me, its holds some of the best accounts for this to be a real possibility.

Also this video IS NOT biased, they equally go through reasons why this is not as it seems, and these people are being fooled by their brain, so to speak.

I'm really looking forward to the video, but I thought I should ad that the brain is scientifically proven to produce large mounts of Dimethyltryptamine right before death. It is produced by the pineal gland in your brain, and is found in EVERY living organism. It is the same substance that makes you dream, and can be used to obtain out of body experiences through sleep deprivation and other methods.

Many call it the spirit molecule, and it has been used by shamans since forever from extracted tree bark or grass.

I think this is the key connecting us from this world to the next, and I 100% believe in life after death, even though I don't believe in any particular religion.

I recommend you do a thorough search for Dimethyltryptamine ('___') and study it for yourself... it will blow your mind, literally.

yeah i should of been more specific, thats been brought up a few times in this thread.

And yes its a strong possibility.

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Sorry i didnt mean to discount your post with my short reply in my above post, its just ive heard this argument before, against NDE's being a truly out of body experience, when the human body has died.

In a way, like you say, an out of body experience is what is created by '___', or even some sort of very vivid dream, but with some accounts, of specific items, words spoken, actions carried out, when the witness to these events is clinically dead, without a doubt, dead.

Can '___' allow this?

I put aside alot of the religious over tones, and emotional experiences, and try to pick out what i see as real evidence to suggest this is more than just a burst of chemicals.

Some scientist's will say this experience (NDE) happens pre-death, and that time scale can not be accurately traced in this state, but for the person having the NDE, this all seems to take place once the body has died.

I would be interested to hear your take on what ive described, about observations made by the witness, when it was proven fact that the person was clinically dead at that time...

One example that comes to mind was a women who had to have a procedure to remove a brain tumour i believe, where their only chance of possible success, was to let the patient die, brain waves dead etc, intentionally, to carry out the operation, and then bring her back to life, the operation was a success, and obviously she lived to tell the tale of her NDE experience. (in the video) 22 mins 53 secs approx.



[edit on 27-4-2009 by Denied]

Originally posted by Denied
reply to post by Odessy

 

Sorry i didnt mean to discount your post with my short reply in my above post, its just ive heard this argument before, against NDE's being a truly out of body experience, when the human body has died.

Np. I never said this "theory" argued against NDE's, in fact, I think it supports it.

In a way, like you say, an out of body experience is what is created by '___', or even some sort of very vivid dream, but with some accounts, of specific items, words spoken, actions carried out, when the witness to these events is clinically dead, without a doubt, dead.

Can '___' allow this?

When '___' is administered to the brain, from the pineal gland (third eye chakra location), it is done in small doses and the effects last for minutes.
So, if '___' is the spirit molecule, holding our "souls" to our bodies, I think that in the case of people dieing and coming back to life, like the woman in the film having the surgery, '___' was probably induced to release her "soul." Once she was dead, obviously her soul is set free and she does what she does or goes where people go when they die.

All I'm suggesting is that '___' is the substance that holds our consciousness to our bodies. So when people have NDE's, '___' is pumped out (scientifically proven) and the "soul" escapes the body. Obviously once your out the brain does not need to continue producing '___' (and it doesn't) and you can go do whatever you do.

I was agreeing with your OP earlier, and it would be nice to see a study done to those patients being put to death for the procedure to see if they produce '___' before they die. I think they will.

So in conclusion, I believe '___' is the chemical that attaches our spiritual body to our physical one, and since science has proven these "chemical bursts" occur right before death, and that '___' itself causes us to have these OoBE's, I believe everyone in this video probably had massive amounts of '___' pumped into their brain before they died. Once they were dead, there was no need for the '___' to be produced and they floated around or went to wherever they went.

But, this opens up an even bigger possibility, and that is that '___' is the root cause of all religious and spiritual experiences:

Alex Shulgin, a name you should all look up online. Here’s the short version. He’s a brilliant man that was funded by the govt. to make all types of drugs for them. He created MDMA, 2CB, and about 230 other drugs. This was great, until the govt. found out he was open sourcing all of his research to the public. When they found out, they pulled the project and his funding. He is the author of several books, and gives lectures every year at a number of places, including Burning Man. He is married to a very famous therapist.

I want to mention one of a series of two books he authored PiHKAL and TiHKAL (Phenethylamines i Have Known And Loved, and Tryptamines i Have Known And Loved). We’re going to be talking about TiHKAL. In those books, he researches many psychedelic drugs and writes AMAZING descriptions of his experienced in a very scientific manor. He is such a brilliant man.

This is one (of many) experiences with '___' he recorded in his scientific journal, TiHKAL:

(with 100 mg, smoked) "As I exhaled I became terribly afraid, my heart very rapid and strong, palms sweating. A terrible sense of dread and doom filled me -- I knew what was happening, I knew I couldn't stop it, but it was so devastating; I was being destroyed -- all that was familiar, all reference points, all identity -- all viciously shattered in a few seconds. I couldn't even mourn the loss -- there was no one left to do the mourning. Up, up, out, out, eyes closed, I am at the speed of light, expanding, expanding, expanding, faster and faster until I have become so large that I no longer exist -- my speed is so great that everything has come to a stop -- here I gaze upon the entire universe."
SOURCE

comedian Joe Rogan:


The Buddhist monks say that '___' is the closest you can get to reaching the first stage of death, which can also be reached through years of hard meditation, and '___' is also produced in an absurd quantity right before humans die. The similarities are absurd.

American psychedelic pioneer and '___' guru Terence McKenna gave '___' to a Tibetan Buddhist monk, and after the experience was over, the monk told McKenna that it brought him to a place the Buddhists had seen many times through meditation, but he also stated that it was about as far as one could go into the Bardo and still return to the physical plane afterward. Jesus Christ and other biblical prophets used fasting and sleep deprivation to achieve mystical states and have the visions upon which the Bible is based. Sleep deprivation increases endogenous '___' levels, and this triggers these transcendent visions and religious experiences. Buddhists and Hindus have the same experiences through meditation, and the South American shamans use their sacred '___'-containing brews to break into the same space. The emerging networks of entheogenists within modern urban societies use '___' crystals with the same goal in mind. In this light, it seems clear that '___' is an integral part of all religion, whether or not it is acknowledged.
SOURCE

[edit on 28-4-2009 by Odessy]

August 19th,2008. I was heavily addicted to drugs and was emotionally and physically spent. I decided to take my life. I downed 30 flexaril and 10 percocet 10's. 30 mins later i was out. All i remember was standing in complete ddarkness, hearing screams and whimpering. some close some near. I felt I was truly alone and would always be. After being revived 2 times and 10 hrs of being in a coma like state i awoke. I am not religious. I am spiritual and I felt unloved during this experience. I have never touched any drug since that day.

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That is an utterly scary post to read.
Perhaps the drugs you took effected what you experienced. Perhaps the whimpering were those of your loved ones around you, the people that found you, or the ones in the next life watching you die. Perhaps ending your own life is the ultimate sin.
Whatever the case, you experienced something.
In all of my experience, I have only felt love, bliss, and connectivity to the world around me.

Let me ask you. Now that you had that experience, what are your thoughts on the after life?


[edit on 28-4-2009 by Odessy]

I feel that I experienced "hell" Like I stated I do not follow the trends of religion but I felt absent from all that is love and good. I felt doom and dread. Possibly the drugs did affect me but it was an exp. ill hold with me as a reminder to never go back down that road. Since then Ive worked hard on removing all that was wrong in my life ie; drugs, sin ,etc. Ive become a much happier person and now that ive turned those negatives to positives life has been much kinder to me. Good things and good people have come into my life and I believe that my exp was to show me what lay in store for me. There is something waiting for all of us when we pass and I believe with all my heart that it can be beautiful for us and horrible for some. This life we live is only a journey, perhaps a test for us to take on and as long as you live a good life, treat your fellow man(woman) as an equal everything will be ok. I have another story that my ex wife exp.
Me and my wife of 8yrs already had a beautiful daughter and 4 yrs after her birth we found out she was pregnant...only this time it was twins. We were so excited and everything in our life seemed perfect. after our 3 doc visit we receioved the terrible news that our twin daughters had a serious problem called twin to twin transfusion syndrome.( emedicine.medscape.com... ) 25 weeks into the pregnancy and traveling from alabama to ohio for an experimental surgery we thought the twins were saved. after our follow up visit my wifes water broke and the next day our twins were born. Alana the donor baby died the following day, Londin the receipent died 7 days later. Whilst me and my wife were grieving over alana, holding her in a private room my wife looked into a pc monitor that was shut off. From her reaction I knew she wasnt telling a lie. She explained that she saw in the monitor a refelction of a large black man holding our deceased Alana and behind him were hundreds of people if not thousands surrounded with bright light. She said she knew Alana was at peace and she would be ok. This reflection she said lasted for only a moment and the Black man and the people were gone with the bright light. This is a very difficult story for me to tell but I want others to know that there is something that waits for us all.

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Thank you for sharing.
It was tuff to read, so I'm I'm sure it was even harder to tell.

While I don't need convincing something awaits us, I am a bit confused as to what to think of your experience last year. I don't believe in hell, so I need to reflect on what you told us.

here is a short clip taken from the main video, i edited the video just to post this particular part, its a very interesting bit, maybe this is a possibility for where are conciousness is created/projected.

Its hard to define in what context the conciousness might live, be created and/or projected, and the fact that this part of the brain works on a quantum level, at the most minute scale, intrigues me.

As most people will know quantum mechanics is a strange thing, something can exist in two places at the same time, our conciousness??

Maybe are conciousness can exist out of our bodies, and is not tied to our mortal body.

Have a look at this short video segment, and any opinions, thoughts, are very welcome.

I know its not the done thing generally, but just wanted to bump this thread, as i would love to hear any ATS members experiences, or experiences that have been told to you, if happy to share.

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... i know there is plenty of speculation about the validity of NDE's ...

I often 'harp' on this, and here's another opportunity to do so, and so I will again.

It's only a 'matter of speculation' here in the 'west.' For most of the people who live on this planet, NDE's, OBE's, reincarnation, etc, etc, are totally consistent with their 'world view.'

It's only here in the west, and comparatively recently at that, that we've all been 'carefully conditioned' ( read : 'trained like circus monkeys' ) to 'believe' that our lives and indeed our very 'awareness' itself is nothing more than the result of random combinations of chemicals and 'natural selection'.

So, when 'snippets of reality' so rudely 'intrude' on our 'carefully crafted' world view ( here in the west ) we have no choice but to dismiss them based on a careful 'scientific analysis.'

I'm not trying to rattle anybody's cage here, or derail any threads. I'm just trying to point this out because it is so true, and yet we are so isolated here in our own little 'westernized reality' that very few are even aware of these 'facts.'

I know I myself didn't take them seriously until I lived in the east for several years.

Dannion Brinkley - well - here’s a vid. He has a number of them.



Some of what he has to say is right on.
Some of the stuff he has to say is right *out there* too...
He’s a good listen - and you can gleam some info - good info - just be ready for some real weirdness too.
I'd like to read a few of his books... He’s got a few out there...

I think one of the things that really got me was when he said after we pass on we will, among other things, have to feel exactly how we've made others feel...
I can't tell you how many times that thought has stopped me from saying or doing something that might cause pain to another.
How sick is that.
I'm being nice so I don't have to feel like doo-doo about it after I die.
NOT a good reason to be nice to others.
But it works...


peace

[edit on 9-5-2009 by silo13]

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Thanks for the post, i will check out the video's when i get a chance...

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It seems the segment of video i wanted to share is corrupted and wont play fully, VERY ANNOYING, so please go to 38 minutes into the video, link posted below, to see the part i specifically wanted to share.

video.google.com...

the problem with near death experiences is that a lot of them contradict each other.
some people claim to have gone to hell during a near death expeience and when they were saved by the doctors they claimed that they went to hell because they hadn't accepted Christ.
on the other hand you get people (who arnt neccessarily christians) cliam that they went to heaven and saw a bright light etc.
there is a clear contradiction here