What ever happened to the Roanoke colony?

Originally posted by Marduk

and everyone who's read this thread so far and actually looked at the links knows it

that must be why they all seem to be disagreeing with your assessment.

you claim that you admit when you are wrong so are we going to get an admission about being wrong about your "some indian" comment which is not only wrong its also extremely racist.

lmao....how exactly did you make that spectacular leap? i'm a racist because i've called you out on your condescending manner and disagree with your assessment of the source?

from now on I'll just show you up for the petty little racist child that you

again the racist remark. do you know what's really funny about that? i've got cherokee blood running through my veins.

the really sad part about you and your attitude is that you are obviously very knowledgable in certain areas, but instead of teaching others and enlightening them, you'd rather condescend and berate them. just have to prove how smart you are.....there's a name for that, it's called an inferiority complex. having more education does not make you smarter than everyone else marduk. in fact, refusing to use that education to help others along the path of knowledge and instead using it to belittle them actually makes you more ignorant than everyone around you. the purpose of ATS is to learn and seek knowledge, not to selfishly use your own education to put yourself up on a pedestal above everyone else.

In that case, I probably think that you and Marduk are both wrong, the probable truth is that aliens decended on that colony and abducted the colonists, then replaced them with clones who came back to Britain and abducted the royalty, who then was cloned and replaced, now we have reptillians running the whole show. In all probability, I'm right. No, but seriously now, if people dissapear, they either got slaughtered or they mingled with the indians, what other choice is there?

Hey, snafu7700, I think what you ment to say is, Marduk has a supperiority complex, an inferiority comlex makes a person submissive and very unopinionated. At least, that's what I think anyways. I mean, I myself have a supperiority complex... I'm smarter than the smartest man on earth.

oh really snafu
eally living up to your nomme de plume arent you (thats french it means "your pen name")
your first statement in this thread was an ignorant remark

up to your old tricks marduk? because the story i remember from history classes was pretty firm about no proof of what happened to them

believe it or not what you learned in history class, at least as you say from what you can remember (weren't you paying attention) does not account for everything that is now known
then you say

joining the indians was a pretty strong hypothesis

what would you suggest as a stronger hypothesis
1) Aliens did it
2) they all died and then hid their own bodies
3) they packed up and went on holiday to france

which is really the most likely to you

So i posted a link to a section marked archaeological evidence
and you deliberately then claimed that I had linked to the section which began

Theories regarding the Indians and the disappearance

and then said

i said "proof", not "theories." do you need an explanation of the difference, or can you handle that on your own?

so you actually had to pretend that I had said something which I hadn't to then claim that I don't know the difference between proof and theory
I suggest you look up the term "straw man argument" as it applies perfectly to what you just attempted

having then claimed that you had read the link I had provided you posted

so some indian found a ring and a rifle and took them to his elders

when clearly that was not the case
the fact that you used the term "some indian" and not the term "native american" clearly shows that you don't think much of indians at all
the claim you made to have cherokee blood which in any case is not proven does not eliminate the possibility that you are a racist and it clearly does not change the fact that you used a derogatory term to describe a native race.

then you started with another ignorant statement

that must be why they all seem to be disagreeing with your assessment.

who is disagreeing with the theory that what happened to the settlers is involved with the croatan indians
clearly you have failed to understand basic written English
had you actually read the replies properly like you should have also read the links properly you would have seen that we were merely discussing semantics between the words "might" and "probably" and the definition of those words as apllied to the statement in a displayed piece of text
so thats another straw man argument you have subimitted


you then finish with a claim that I have an inferiority complex
considering that so far you have submitted
2 straw man arguments
1 completely wrong statement
1 racist statement

i hardly see what I am supposed to be feeling inferior about
compared to you I'm practically a Deity

I loved this statement

the purpose of ATS is to learn and seek knowledge

considering it was you who with this remark

i said "proof", not "theories." do you need an explanation of the difference, or can you handle that on your own?

started this whole bitching session the irony is quite clear
so I'm still waiting for that apology little man
or would you like to try for double jeopardy where the points can really count


[edit on 18-12-2006 by Marduk]

Okay guys, let's stop the childish name calling and propose a theory, backed with link, to what might actually have happenned. Marduk states that the colonists mingled with the indians, he provided links, so, snafu7700, what is your theory? And don't reply to marduk's name calling, you'll just make it worse and one of you'll get banned. Or worse, both.

[edit on 18-12-2006 by Radekus]

all Hail Radekus


heres my evidence so far
1) A signet ring found in a croatan archaeological site that was traced back to the colony
2) the word Croatan carved on a tree at the colony itself in the direction of the croatan camp
3) 20 - 30 members of the croatan tribe with surnames that match the settlers
4) a group of croatan indians who were later found to be practicing christianity
5) the lack of any other credible hypothesis

Appart from my probable alien cloning theory.


Well, I certainly agree, there's no other possibilities, and fighting over it for the sake of fighting, well, is pointless really.




[edit on 18-12-2006 by Radekus]

yes thats a good one
do you have a link ?

or is it another unproven hypothesis

Umm, okay, here are my links.
www....
Oh no, they know I know, they've come for me, noooooo!

Nah, I was just joking, I really have nothing to back it up with.
I invent it for funnies. And to distract anger towards laughter.

Originally posted by Marduk
oh really snafu
eally living up to your nomme de plume arent you (thats french it means "your pen name")


Marduk... You really should be more careful when throwing stones at glass houses.. You try way too hard.... It find it quite Ironic that you choose the French thing and then get it wrong

[edit on 18-12-2006 by Perfect stranger]

[edit on 18-12-2006 by Perfect stranger]

obviously you don't speak french
either nom de plume or nomme de plume is acceptable

It actually means, name of the feather. Plume is a feather, not pen. Mind you, in the olden days, feathers were used with ink to write and hence could be interpreted as being old pens. but... I'm not gonna go into that.

[edit on 18-12-2006 by Radekus]

Hey, Marduk, I didn't know you spoke french. Comment ca va mon ami?
I'm not french though, I know it out of necessity.

Originally posted by Radekus
snafu7700, what is your theory?

actually, believe it or not, i agree with the theory that they were integrated into the surrounding tribes. the point wasnt that i disagreed with the troll's remarks, but that he was claiming that there was indesputable evidence to prove it, which i think we have shown there is not.

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And don't reply to marduk's name calling, you'll just make it worse and one of you'll get banned. Or worse, both.

dont worry, i've said my peace....and he's not worth it. i think he's pretty much shown his true colors here.

I agree, the racist thing was kinda dumb, he shouldn't jump at the burning patatoe like that, he might get burned. Anyways, it's all about personality, some are more agressive than others, you both should consider yourselves lucky, you got the leader thing going on, you think independently, yay for you, I give you two for ending the flaming. I personaly would've gone and done more search to give you more links to other stuff, but I'm guessing both of you are working right now and don't have time for it, hence, well, one link, I'm right type a thing. Many variables get in the equation, don't you just hate it?

Marduk,
The earlier posts concerning "probabaly" pointed out what I was getting at.
As far as your hypothesis, I like it but why isnt there any oral history of the colonist assimilating(sp) into the tribe? Unless the colonist were taken into captivity.Then the children that had western features could be explained from captive rape, or captive men seducing native women. Also with them in captivity the natives would witness the christian rituals and possibly have been converted. To me it seems that 121 colonist living in the outerbanks of NC would have a hard time just disapearing with no trace. The fact that they had comunications with the natives also makes the disapearance even more curious.

that's a good point, maybe the natived killed off the colonists and raised their children, who were already christian, and stuff like that. But then, what about the graves? dead people leave squaletons behind.

Where do you start looking for graves? They could have been anywhere. What if the natives creamated them? You are also talking about a place that is only about 3-40 ft above sea level. A good flood will make the bodies float out of the ground and then they get swept out to sea. Thats even if they get burried. If they had been left where they died then animals would have done the work.

These are only my guesses as to what might have happened to them.

I like it but why isnt there any oral history of the colonist assimilating(sp) into the tribe?

there is
its in a link i posted on the last page
almost all of the evidence supports this hypothesis
I also found this

History of the Lumbee Indians:The Lumbee don't entirely understand why people persist in calling the Roanoke colony the "Lost Colony," since they left an explicit note telling where they were going (Croatan, the lands of some friendly Cheraw Indians) and since the descendents of the Croatan Cheraw were found some 50 years later speaking English, practicing Christianity, and sporting about 75% of the last names the colonists had brought with them. By all accounts, though, those descendents--who called themselves "Lumbee," after the river running through their traditional lands--were mixed-race, so mixed-race they were not sent to Oklahoma with the other Indians of North Carolina in the 1820's and 30's.

looks like case solved to me

Radekus
Je déteste les Français
ici est un lien sur des noms de plume
en.wikipedia.org...
p.s. snafu est un gaspillage complet de l'espace
je peux également parler portugese, allemand, espagnol et sumérien
je suis donc un linguiste adroit

[edit on 18-12-2006 by Marduk]

Deleted, I didn't wanna offend anyone.

[edit on 18-12-2006 by Radekus]