Boston Air Traffic Controller Says 9/11 An Inside Job w/video

I suppose he is just another nut too.
How many more people need to come forward before this is no longer a "conspiracy theory"?

(PrisonPlanet)-A former Boston Center air traffic controller has gone public on his assertion that 9/11 was an inside job and that Donald Rumsfeld and the Pentagon tracked three of the four flights from the point of their hijacking to hitting their targets. In an astounding telephone interview, Robin Hordon claims air traffic controllers have been ignored or silenced to protect the true perpetrators of 9/11.

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A recording of the phone conversation was posted on Google video late yesterday by the Pilots For 9/11 Truth organization.

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After having acquired a background in aviation, Hordon underwent rigorous FAA training to become an air traffic controller and was posted to Boston Center where he worked for eleven years. He did not work at Boston Center when 9/11 occurred but still knows people that did who concur with his conclusions. In comparing the stand down of air defense on 9/11 and what should have occurred according to standard operating procedure, he quickly concluded on the very afternoon of the attacks that they could represent nothing other than an inside job.

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"On September 11th I'm one of the few people who really within quite a few hours of the whole event taking place just simply knew that it was an inside job, and it wasn't because of the visuals, the collapses, whatever....I knew that it was an inside job I think within about four or five o'clock that afternoon and the reason that I knew is because when those aircraft did collide and then we got the news and information on where the aircraft were and where they went....if they knew where the aircraft were and were talking to them at a certain time then normal protocol is to get fighter jet aircraft up assist," said Hordon.

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Video also located at those links.

Originally posted by Black_Fox
I suppose he is just another nut too.

How many more people need to come forward before this is no longer a "conspiracy theory"?

I'm not calling him a nut, but he wasnt even working that day! Where are the airtraffic controllers that were on duty that day? Why havent THEY stepped forward??

Black Fox... not ONE person from the "inside" has stepped forward yet....and I wouldn't hole your breath.

Good find Black Fox. I wonder if this guy will have to suffer reprisals. I hope not.

Originally posted by CameronFox
[Black Fox... not ONE person from the "inside" has stepped forward yet....and I wouldn't hole your breath.

I'm willing to bet that any person on the "inside" who has talked about coming forward is already holding their breath.....in the Hudson somewhere.

Just because someone hasn't come out yet, doesn't negate all the inconsistancies of that day.

Originally posted by CameronFox

I'm not calling him a nut, but he wasnt even working that day! Where are the airtraffic controllers that were on duty that day? Why havent THEY stepped forward??

True.. but we have to take what we can get. Assuming this was an inside job, and whoever behind it needed to silence the flight controllers, wouldn't you assume they would first target the flight controllers who were on duty at the time of the attacks? It would be awfully hard to silence each and every FAA flight controller in the US!

The article also mentions that Hordon, the air traffic controller interviewed, had personally handled hijackings in the past. In addition, each and every controller goes through training and testing before going to work for the FAA. These guys and gals practice for this kind of stuff. They know exactly what to do in the event of an emergency. Just because this particular fellow wasn't on duty on 9/11, does not mean he doesn't know what he's talking about. He knows exactly how the situation should have been handled, and he knows that some or all of the planes would have been handled if the emergency response had gone according to the established protocol. The fact that it did not go to protocol clearly indicates there was a large intervention--cover up...conspiracy.

Just to clear things up for anyone who doesn't know about radar and ATC... any plane in the sky, within range of a radar station, is being tracked. To make things more orderly, most planes come equiped (excepting ultralights, etc.) with a transponder, which attaches a number code to that plane's radar signal back to flight control. So now the flight controller doesn't just see dozens of radar blips, the system has the transponder code of each plane and the controller now knows the type of plane, speed, altitude and heading of each plane on the screen. Once they figured out something was awry on 9/11, and this Hordon fellow assures us that it was around 8:24AM, all of the FAA would be notified and those centers in the area would pay very close attention to those planes which were suspect. Even if the 'hijackers' turned off the transponder, the system would be able to track the planes, since the airliners give off a large radar signature which will of course continue to be picked up by radar in the area.

Basically, I'm saying something many have known for a long time... There is NO WAY the systems/protocols/safties which have been in place long before 9/11 all failed on 9/11, allowing the 'hijackers' to accomplish their 'task'. It was deliberate, and I don't need to hear from someone who was actually on duty to know that.

I have not yet listened to the interview, so I can comment TOO much on it. What I will comment on is this:

"if they knew where the aircraft were and were talking to them at a certain time then normal protocol is to get fighter jet aircraft up assist," said Hordon.

talking to who? There was from what i know... ZERO communication between the terrorists and Air Traffic Controllers.

[edit on 14-12-2006 by CameronFox]

What troubles me is that out of 4 aircraft none of them got off a call over the radio or hit the emergency code on the transponder.

How long does it take to say something over the radio or punch 4 digits into a keypad?

I guess we can throw the Pilot, Co-Pilot, and Naviagtor from all 4 flights onto the good 'ol " in on it" list.

Originally posted by CameronFox
I guess we can throw the Pilot, Co-Pilot, and Naviagtor from all 4 flights onto the good 'ol " in on it" list.

I did not say ther were in on it, just its very strange that the odds of 4 planes not being able to signal something is very, very high.

I mean out of 8 people not 1 could do something to get a signal out.

Thier have been other hijackings and most of the pilots or co-pilots got off a verbal or transponder signal that they were in trouble.

Originally posted by CameronFox
I guess we can throw the Pilot, Co-Pilot, and Naviagtor from all 4 flights onto the good 'ol " in on it" list.

They don't have to be "in on it", for everything to still work out.

Cameron, you know how I feel about the 9|11 issues by now. I am a moderate on the idea of the conspiracy, but yes, I do feel that there was government complicity (not necessary involvement) in the day's events.

Many eyewitnesses on the planes suggested that they were forced to the rear of the plane - INCLUDING the pilots - but what I'd like to know is how guys who could barely fly a plane the size of one of these jetliner's engines could navigate a plane towards the WTC. This is where it becomes very fishy for me... as for many other things.

So stop assuming that the 9|11 Truth means that EVERYONE is in on it, because that's not the case at all. There are alot of pawns in everything that happened - that is why we're asking questions today to try and weed the pawns out and get to the culprits!

well, i havent watched the interview yet, but i was on duty on 9/11 and so far, beyond my personal opinion that flight 93 was shot down (cant prove it was shot down, so it's just MHO), i have not seen anything that convinces me that 9/11 was an inside job.....nor do any of the guys i know personally who actually worked the hijacked aircraft and/or fighter intercepts believe that it was an inside job......and i, also am an FAA controller.

I dont believe he's saying the US did this.

I think he's saying they knew the planes were going hit, and rather than continue conversations between the tower, IE tracking for jets, they simpled didnt do anything.


IE

'' We have multiple boeings off course and not responding sir ''
'' Achnowledged ''
'' Do we scramble sir ? ''
'' we are awaiting for confirmation from military ''


tick tick tick tick


BOoM!

I don't even think there was a plane to be honest.

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White said the plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated.

United identified the plane as Flight 93. The airline did say how many people were aboard the flight.

United said it was also "deeply concerned" about another flight, Flight 175, a Boeing 767, which was bound from Boston to Los Angeles.

Other than that I live in the area near where flight 93 crashed, and a lot of things didn't make sense from when local news was talking and National news was talking.

Kinda like OK City.. Anyone know that on the news it was confirmed that there were more than a truck bomb in/at/near the building..
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Anyone remember WTC 93 where the Head of FBI in NYC paid 1 million to Emad Ali Salem to plant a bomb?
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9/11 is no different, and from my research they are involved in anything related to Al-Qaeda.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
I dont believe he's saying the US did this.

I think he's saying they knew the planes were going hit, and rather than continue conversations between the tower, IE tracking for jets, they simpled didnt do anything.

Listen Agit8dChop stop deflecting the blame off of the US. Of course they knew, but how could you dismiss their part it in by saying that they just "knew" about it. A scenario like this could never be come up with Bush/Cheney, I have a feeling that the day the federal reserve was created. The plan's drawn up for the federal reserve were created when this plan to use the tower's to invade countries was created. This was a very slow plan which took years. They created the federal reserve to control our money since the beginning of the 1900's.

I believe that 1913 was the day the NWO began to control the world. The federal reserve was created in that year and guess what. 1914-1918 World war 1.

It is also very possible that the NWO is an effort by this group: Black Hand (Serbian: Црна рука / Crna Ruka), officially Unification or Death (Serbian: Уједињење или смрт / Ujedinjenje ili smrt) was a secret society founded in Serbia in May 1911[1][2] as part of the Pan-Slavism nationalist movement, with the intention of uniting all of the territories containing Serb populations (notably Bosnia and Herzegovina, annexed by Austria-Hungary in October 1908). The society's implication in the June 1914 assassination in Sarajevo of Franz Ferdinand, Archduke of Austria is considered to have been the main catalyst to the start of World War I. (look at the symbol for the Black Hand; it looks like skull and bones!)

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A world swept into control by the United States Government since day one. An operation so important to "them" that it was planed thousands of years ago. Welcome to the world as we know it today, trapped in our daily jobs, caught beneath the lies of a false history while we continue to walk as slaves, feeding the system that we thought was our friend. The current reality is their reality. A fake reality where you where supposed to think that everything is all right. Nothing more than a sheep, born to chase that American Dream until your body breaks down and dies. The power exists in the hands of the global elite, the CFR, National Security Apparatus, Military, NATO .. A multinational capitalist era of control to keep your mind trapped, enslaved and multiplied to bow before ONE SYSTEM.

ANNUIT COEPTIS . NOVUS ORDO SELCORUM
Order of the New World.

N E W . WO R L D . O R D E R

There is an enormous amount of challenging information in this document. Please do not continue if you are dependent on your present belief system, or if you feel you cannot cope emotionally with what is really happening to this world.

The list of mind manipulating techniques is endless. They want your mind because when they have that, they have you. The answer lies in taking our minds back, thinking for ourselves and allowing others to do the same without fear of ridicule or condemnation for the crime of being different. When taking back our minds involve the offensive response from military, corporate rule and police states then we have no other choice but to fight back.

It's time to wake up. So many think our governments are not hiding anything so serious. Can these "people" explain why our governments have deliberately terminated the existence of those who come to close to any "conspiracy" involving covert operations?
Explain why they continue to threaten those who get to close.. Explain why they keep this information highly confidential... Explain why our education systems are so poor ( the future of our world ) does not receive the financial support it requires in a world overruled by the dollar bill. Explain why the world government is constantly stocking up on nucular/electronic warfare, tanks, bombs, high-tech computer systems, helicopters and much more. Explain why our world government has established a large sum of top secret military bases around the globe. Explain why so many continue to live so oblivious to the fact that their lives are ruled by ignorance.

It's becoming clear that "New World Order" is not just a fantasy of conspiracy-minded right-wingers. President George Bush popularized its use in 1990 in order to legitimize the Gulf War by resuscitating the then-moribund United Nations. The New World Order is a handy label to describe the various policies that are challenging our sovereignty, a society based upon a single bank account, and turning over capitalist dictator U.S service personnel to the U.N..

Today, CFR members (ILLUMINATI, NWO..etc.) occupy key positions in government, the mass media, financial institutions, multinational corporations, the military, and the national security apparatus.

Nineteen hundred years ago John warned us about just such a global system of enslavement. He wrote in Revelation. A man, a world dictator, whose number would be "666", would arise to power at the end of the Age to enslave the world. He said that this incarnate devil-man, THE ANTICHRIST, would make every living person on earth worship him and take his number in their right hand or forehead. The Bible clearly informs us this will be the most diabolical system of world government history has ever known.

The New World Order has already begun. Take a look around you. Walk outside your door. As if this world has not been tormented enough, THEY want more. The operation to consume our worlds energy resources and create a world market is succeeding. They will win unless you take your stand and fight back.

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A rigid system of elitist control is in force today on this planet, ( and has been for thousands of years ), and with the advent of new technology for control, the prospects for america and mankind have never looked more corrupt. We are outwitted before our birth, set upon a game grid where checkmate is the predetermined outcome. We are channeled through economic and social determinants that we deal with little better than how a lab rat controls its destiny in an experimental maze.
While humanity is in continual economic lockdown, additional controls are liberally applied, through television, through the "news", through the manipulation of event and societal structure. This keeps the human species more confused, more deluded and sidetracked into dead-end religions, drugs, fashions, and fears. The citizen, beset by various troubles and prevented from understanding his situation, does not see the interlocking controls and utilization that dictate most of his actions.

... A paraniod interpretation of life, or of history? Think again. Use your head.

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There is a thin line. The problem or solution. It's upon you to decide which side you stand on.


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The truth will set the mind free.
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NWO Economics

The Justice Department reported in August that there are nearly 1.6 million men and women incarcerated in the United States -- currently the highest incarceration rate in the entire world. This startling figure tops off a decade of rapid expansion of America's prison population, fueled by a "war on drugs" that is steadily undermining the rights so succinctly expressed in the Bill of Rights more than 200 years ago. As 1995 drew to a close, one out of every 167 Americans was in prison or jail, compared to one out of 320 in 1985, when the crack coc aine trade began to proliferate. The total number of inmates has more than doubled in the past decade, and we just can't seem to build enough prisons to keep them all in. In the New World Order, the global economy has become a Machiavellian game of life and death as the world's elite attempt to wrangle the bleating herds into a planetary corral. Is the money in your pocket actually a leash? Add the trend towards private prison facility management and corporate use of prison labor, and you have an extremely unsettling social situation. Are we witnessing the creation of a slave labor force for the corporate New World Order? Quite possibly, if the Oakhill Correctional Institute in Dane County, Wisconsin serves as a model. Seventeen inmates crowded in a makeshift basement factory in that facility crank out over a million dollars' worth of office chairs per year, in exchange for wages ranging from twenty cents to $1.50 per hour.

NWO Politics

What rights will individuals, societies and cultures have in the New World Order, besides the right to get our asses kicked if we attempt to "interfere" in the schemes of the global elite?
The Council on Foreign Relations is the main globalist rudder in the United States steering us toward the New World Order. 3,000 members of the American political, financial and media elite meet secretly on a regular basis to debate your future, and then carry out the plan.
Over 200 years ago, in 1797, one of the most respected scientists in the world wrote a book entitled Proofs of a Conspiracy (London: Creech, Cadell, Davies Publ., 1797). He was John T. Robison, secretary general to Scotland's prestigious Royal Society and professor of natural philosophy at the University of Edinburgh. What he detected while on sabbatical in Europe was a new element in the Grand Orient Masonic Lodges. He was approached by Adam Weishaupt, the founder of this new elite, inviting him to join an inner circle known as Illuminism.

Adam Weishaupt was a professor of canon law at the University of Ingolstadt. He started the Order of the Illuminati on May 1, 1776, originally calling it the Order of Perfectibilists. His plan was to use the Grand Orient Lodges of Europe as a filtering mechanism through which to screen out talent and build a hierarchy of inner circles. Like the Mafia of today, only the inner circle could be trusted with the true purpose of the Order. The true purpose of the Illuminati, according to Professor Robison, was world hegemony: a world order ruled by an elite pretending to represent the common man, an elite who had penetrated every aspect of society from the arts to politics and law while shaping public opinion with more subtlety than the average citizen was able to detect.

The Illuminati was presumed to have been dispersed by the end of the century but some believe that Illuminati members chose instead to conceal themselves and their plans within the cloak of Freemasonry, under which auspices they continue to thrive. They have maintained a stranglehold on the political, financial and social administration of the United States and have significant influence in the global business of nations. The Illuminist plan was to unseat the present powers of hereditary aristocracy and replace them with an intellectual aristocracy, using a staged revolt of the masses. This, indeed, was exactly what the French Revolution appeared to be - key people catalyzing great numbers of people. The French Revolution was not a historical accident happening by whim, but was manipulated by geniuses who had their own agenda. In more recent years the Illuminati has allegedly been involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy and has been at the forefront of indoctrinating the American public into their one-world agenda.

The First World War (WWI)

The Brotherhood wanted a global war as a massive problem-reaction-solution to destroy the global status quo so allowing them to rebuild the post war world in their image. It worked so brilliantly. After the first World War, power was in far fewer hands than it was before. The British and American Governments in the immediate post war period were controlled by the Round Table Leadership. In Britain these were people like Alfred Milner and Lord Balfour and in America, Colonel House, the dictator of policy to President Woodrow Wilson. In Germany the official head of the country was Kaiser Wilhelm II, a relative of the British / German royal family soon to be known as the Windsors. Wihelm's 'minder' was the leading German Freemason, Otto von Bismark, the architect of the German Empire, and other Freemasons and bloodline families. Kaiser Wilhelm's Chancellor was Bethmann-Hollweg, a members of the Bethmann banking family in Frankfurt and cousin of Rothschilds. Wilhelm's personal hanker was Max Warburg, the brother of Paul and Felix, who had helped to manipulate the US Federal Reserve into being. Meantime, the Rothschilds had bought the German news agency, Wolff, to control the flow of information to the German people and what the rest of the world would ear from inside Germany. One of the leading executives of Wolff was Max Warburg. The Rothschilds would later biu an interest in the Havas news agency in France and Reuters in London. (News agencies supply "news" to all media organisations.) All that was needed to spark the war was an incident which could be used to justify hostilites and that was provided when an agent of Serbian secret society called the Order of the throne on June 28th 1914. At exactly the same time in Russia, an attempt was being made on the life of Tsar's most trusted advisor, Grigory Yefimovich Rasputin, who was arguing against a war. The Black Hand was formed in 1911 as the Order of Death and its seal was a clenched fist holding a skull and bones alongside that was a knife, a bomb and a poison bottle. Lovely. Leading members of the Black Hand apparently met with French and Grant Orient Freemasons at the Hotel ST Jerome in Toulouse in January 1914 to arrange the assassination in Sarajevo. The actual assassins, led by Gavrilo Princip, were all suffering from tuberculosis and did not have long to live. They were suckers manipulated to carry out an act thinking it would serve Serbian nationalism when it was really the spark required to advance an Agenda they probably did not know existed.

The German branches of the Brotherhood network started hostilities and the branches in the rest of Europe followed. The people who actually fought this war were the innocent pawns in a game they did not understand. Half a million men died in one battle in the trenches of northern France, a gigantic orgy of blood letting in an area which is sacred land to the Stanists and blood drinkers who run this world. They almost seem like mass ritual sacrifices. Wilson told America that he would allow America to become involved in a European war. He had to say that or he would not have been elected. But he knew that was part of the Brotherhood Agenda and so in 1916 the American 1916 the American passenger ship, the Lasitania, was sunk and this was used as an excuse to enter the war. In the same way, the assassination of Ferdinand was Germany'd excuse and in 1941 the attack by the Japanese on Pearl Harbour was used by the American -Aryan President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, to enter the Second World War.

In the 1950's, yet more confirmation of how the First World War was manipulated was revealed by a US Congressional investigation by the "tax-exempt" foundations in the United States, like the Rockefeller Foundation, the Ford Foundation, and the Carnegie Endorowment for International Peace, wich the investigation found was manipulating war. Another thing to watch. The Brotherhood name organisations in a way that leads people to believe their aim is the opposite of what they are really there to do. For instance, if you want to run drugs without being suspected, do it through an anti-drug agency. If you want to destroy land and kill wildlife, do it through a wildlife protection agency. If you want to run a Satanic ring, do it through Christian Church. The congressional investigation by the Reece Committee found that these foundations had an interlocking leadership and that they were funding "education" and "science" to advance their Agenda for the centralisation of global power. The outcome of scientific "research" was being agreed before the way that scientific knowledge is suppressed. Knowledge which could set the world free from hunger and the need for expensive, polluting "energy" technoligy we have today. The relevant findings of the Reece Committe in relation to the First World War came with their investigation into the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Norman Dodd, the committee's Director of Research, reported that one meeting of Carnegie trustees, the question was asked:

" 'Is there any means known to man more effective than war if you want to alter the lives of an entire people?' It was decided that there was not and so the next question they asked was:
'how do we involved the United States in a war?' "

Dodd went on:

"And then they raised the question: 'How do we control the diplomatic machinery of the United States?' And the answer came out: 'We must control the State Department ', At this point we catch up with what we already found out... That through an agency set up by the Carnegie Endowment, every high appointment in the State Department was cleared. Finally, we were in a war. These trustees in a meeting about 1917 had the brashness to congragulate themselves on the wisdom of their original decision because alredy, the impact of war had indicated it would alter life and can alter life in this country. This was the date of our entry in the war; we were involved. They even had the brashness to word and to dispatch a telegram to Mr Wilson cautioning him to see that the war did not end too quickly."

Dodd said that his investigator, Kathryn Casey, found other minutes dealing with the work of the Carnegie Endowment to prevent American life returning to a pre-war state. Changing the way people lived and thought was, after all, the main point of the war. Dodd siad:

" They came to the conclusion that, to prevent a reversion, they must control education. And then they approached the Rockefeller Foundation and they said: " Will you take on the acquisition of control of education as it involves subjects that are domestic in their signigicance?" And it was agreed. Then together they decided that the key to it was the teaching of American history and they must change that. So, they then approached the most prominent of what you might call the American historians at that time, with the idea of getting them to alter the manner of which they presented the subject. "

This is why you don't read what really happend in the official history books. You read what the Brotherhood wnats you to read. This is the crap that is taught to our children in schools and universities under the heading of "Education". The same with all the other subjects. This is the "education" that American families spend their lives scrimping and saving for. They are scrimping and saving to pay for their children to be indoctrinated, that's the reality. The point of the First World War was to reshape the post-war world in the image the elitists desired. So the very people who engineered the war on all "sides" were appointed to the Versailles Peace Conference near Paris ( again ) in 1919 to decide what would happen as a result of the war they had manufactured. Te Palace of Versilles is also known as the Palace of the Sun King. The "victorious" stooges, sorry leaders, at Versallies were Woodrow WIlson of the United States, Lloyd George of Great Britain, and Georges Clemenceau of France. "

WAKE UP!


It's not hard to see the government utilizing it's financial resources towards a new world military, weapons, more troops, tanks, bombs, computer systems... Yet, they still forget about the lack of financial resources within our education ( the future of our world ). Perhaps this walking talking military killing machine is what they want our future to be. "Be all you can be"? Kill another child? Destroy another family? Why the hell is our world building up military power when we should be living in so-called "peace"? They point, and you shoot. Let's give thanks to those who spilled their blood in battle for America. They died for a liar. They killed each other and saw their friends blow up in front of their very eyes. All for one torn country that was to become the Globalyst era of corporate power.


The inverted and distorted pantagram in the washington streets, one points into Congress, the other into the White House.

Bill Clinton has been a serial liar all his life. He lies about everything, from the innocuous to the important. Then, when caught, he employs biblical language and religious imagery to get himself off the hook. In his speech, he didn't even ask for the public's forgiveness, preferring the lower moral road of taking "full responsibility" for an inappropriate relationship. This is the language of lawyers and spinners, not the words of one who feels conviction in his heart.

Their plan, since day one.
To build one multinational capitalistic order upon our so dysfunctional society. One economic system constructed by one secret brotherhood. Where power falls so easily into the direct hands of plutocracy and injustice. The human race, known to live, only to die within the very system that's hijacked every mind. Spreading like a virus through oblivion. This interval between freedoms exists within the thousands of years in which we have been born to "live", yet only to die, then through rebirth, we emerge as yet another slave to "live". To "exist"; reincarnated. Only later to find our selves in the same bureau of manipulative control. A dream, a nightmare in which one cannot wake up and smell the prison that has enslaved mind and soul. A dream where one becomes evolved only to exist so helplessly dependent upon lies, disillusion and corporate torment. A fake reality in which we become too pre occupied with laughter of materialistic medicine, throwing our path into denial. A daily routine to keep us under control. A routine to feed the very system that will only cast the shadow over light with a triple 6. The Order of the New World.

So stop for just one second and listen. Listen ... Yes, can you hear that? It's their world now.

Infiltrate the machines vast network of communications and corporate manipulation to destruct it's vital propaganda and hidden political agendas in the new world.

The peoples army is the only army. Unite!

You call us criminals? You call us Terrorists? We talk about freedom. We talk about humanity. We act in self defense. Yet, you call us criminals. We care about education, we care about equality. Yet, you call us criminals. We care about humanity. We have not forgotten that this world also belongs to us. You ripped it from the hands of our ancestors in blood, lies and greed. You cared only about multiple forces of bureaucracy to protect your establishment and it's plutocracy that emerged so easily from monarchy and secret brotherhoods. Then you smile in our faces as you construct your so called "democracy" through levels of supremacy protected by your laws and order, which become enforced by militarized squads; killing hope; killing humanity; working on the same multinational capitalistic agenda.

Yet, you call us criminals.

... This is where we draw the line.





U N I T E
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Originally posted by Black_Fox

"On September 11th I'm one of the few people who really within quite a few hours of the whole event taking place just simply knew that it was an inside job, and it wasn't because of the visuals, the collapses, whatever....I knew that it was an inside job I think within about four or five o'clock that afternoon and the reason that I knew is because when those aircraft did collide and then we got the news and information on where the aircraft were and where they went....if they knew where the aircraft were and were talking to them at a certain time then normal protocol is to get fighter jet aircraft up assist," said Hordon.

complete and utter crap. this guy is playing on the public's ignorance. pre-9/11 procedure and post-9/11 procedure are two completely different things. prior to 9/11, our method of dealing with hijackings was basically to do nothing. monitor the situation and give them everything they want, because nine times out of ten they simply wanted to go to cuba. our concern was the safety of the passengers, and not doing anything to piss off the hijacker and thereby get someone killed. nobody had ever hijacked a plane to use as a bomb, and neither we nor the military were trained to deal with that scenario (i know, because i was a military controller). now, however, if we lose contact with someone for more than a few minutes, or they deviate from their flight path, or their transponder dissapears, we immediately scramble on them.....because of the change in mentality towards hijacked aircraft. and let me tell you, even at this stage in the game mistakes are made. we had a guy a couple of months back who deviated from his flight plan and went norac (loss of communications) and the pilot was a foriegn national. two different flights of fighters were scrambled from two different bases.....and norad didnt tell them about each other. the result was two flights of two fighters trying to intercept on the same aircraft. and of course norad didnt bother to tell us that two flights were scrambled either, so one flight leader finally called us and said "hey center, are there more players out here?" we crapped our pants, and had to scramble to get everyone on the same page.....because norad dropped the ball. that one scenario in and of itself was enough to convince me that there is absolutely no way, with all the mistakes made on 9/11, that a coverup of this magnitude could have been pulled off.

Originally posted by please_takemyrights

True.. but we have to take what we can get. Assuming this was an inside job, and whoever behind it needed to silence the flight controllers,
wouldn't you assume they would first target the flight controllers who were on duty at the time of the attacks? It would be awfully hard to silence each and every FAA flight controller in the US!

first of all, we are called "air traffic controllers." "flight controllers" work at nasa.

second, there were over 1500 controllers on duty at the east coast radar centers alone, not including all of the approach controls and towers. i know many of them personally, and none of them believe that this was orchestrated by the US government.

The article also mentions that Hordon, the air traffic controller interviewed, had personally handled hijackings in the past. In addition, each and every controller goes through training and testing before going to work for the FAA. These guys and gals practice for this kind of stuff. They know exactly what to do in the event of an emergency.

yup, and it's not the way he describes it.

Just because this particular fellow wasn't on duty on 9/11, does not mean he doesn't know what he's talking about.

yes it does.....if you didnt work that day, you have no idea what it was like.

He knows exactly how the situation should have been handled, and he knows that some or all of the planes would have been handled if the emergency response had gone according to the established protocol. The fact that it did not go to protocol clearly indicates there was a large intervention--cover up...conspiracy.

again, he is playing on the collective ignorance of the average american. there was no established protocol for this particular situation. yes, there were alot of hijackings over the years, but a hijacking with no communication, a loss of transponder readout, and eventual use of the plane as a flying bomb? absolutely no precedence for that, and therefore, no training to deal with that.

Just to clear things up for anyone who doesn't know about radar and ATC... any plane in the sky, within range of a radar station, is being tracked. To make things more orderly, most planes come equiped (excepting ultralights, etc.) with a transponder, which attaches a number code to that plane's radar signal back to flight control. So now the flight controller doesn't just see dozens of radar blips, the system has the transponder code of each plane and the controller now knows the type of plane, speed, altitude and heading of each plane on the screen. Once they figured out something was awry on 9/11, and this Hordon fellow assures us that it was around 8:24AM, all of the FAA would be notified and those centers in the area would pay very close attention to those planes which were suspect. Even if the 'hijackers' turned off the transponder, the system would be able to track the planes, since the airliners give off a large radar signature which will of course continue to be picked up by radar in the area.

we do not watch every single airplane out there. every aircraft in class alpha airspace (above 18,000ft) has to have a transponder. when they turned those transponders off, they became what are known as "primary targets", meaning that all we could see was a little blip...no altitude, no heading, no speed, nada. just that target. the strength of the signal on that target depends upon how far away they are from the radar that is watching it.....and there are alot of primary targets out there on a beautiful day like 9/11 was. very easy to get it confused with all the others. your post is a perfect example of the basic misunderstanding of the air traffic system and why these conspiracy theories continue..

Basically, I'm saying something many have known for a long time... There is NO WAY the systems/protocols/safties which have been in place long before 9/11 all failed on 9/11, allowing the 'hijackers' to accomplish their 'task'. It was deliberate, and I don't need to hear from someone who was actually on duty to know that.

well, you've heard from someone who was actually on duty, and he thinks you need a little more education on how the system actually works before you tell the whole world how much you know on the matter.

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Great post. But get ready to be labelled a disinfo agent

oh for crying out loud....this guy hasnt been a controller since 1981. he was one of the patco guys fired by reagan after they struck. no wonder he has jumped on the "government conspiracy" bandwagon.

source

Robin Hordon
Air Traffic Control
Former Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC)
(fired: 1981 by Ronald Reagan - PATCO Strike)

which makes the title of this thread VERY misleading. it would be more appropriate for it to read something like:

"Former Boston Controller Fired 25 YEARS AGO Says 9/11 Was Inside Job"

[edit on 14-12-2006 by snafu7700]

Originally posted by dunkindonuts






Listen Agit8dChop stop deflecting the blame off of the US

holy jesus mate, are you ok?
like seriously?

taken your meds lately.. u seem pretty damn po'd simply because i have an opinion.

If the US did this to themselves.. why did they HIT themselves at the pentagon in a manner that has so many question marks over it ?

If the US did this, why did they chose saudi's who'd EVEANTUALLY turn up alive? as they have?

If the US did this, why bother in pensylvania?

surely both wtc's coming down would be AMPLE?

Terrorists did this,
Osama and Alqaeda have had this plan since the early 90's...

do some research...

bojinka, the wtc93, various meetings in east asia... this was something in the making for a long time


The Government wasnt stupid.. they kne wit was coming, they had yousef, his laptop, his plans, they had the terrorists being watched at the flight school..
simple..

why on earth would you stage such an elaborate attack, when a group is already planning it?

The US govt is guilty
im not saying they are innocent.

Think about it.

a memo comes in, bush cheney n co read it..

it was wrong of them to ignore it and let them go untouched on with there plans.

They ALLOWED the attack, because it was beneficial for the plans of the neocons and wanting an entry in the middle east.

plain and simple.

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Good job Snafu7700.... Thanks for your 1st hand experience. The real "Truth Seekers" appreciate the truth!

This dude's story will be short lived once his story gets squashed a few more times like you just did.

[edit on 15-12-2006 by CameronFox]

Once again, someone goes public except he didn't really participate in any of the activities that he is alleging.

Basically he's saying that things must have happened a certain way but where is the real evidence.

Is there one air traffic controller who would come forward and say that the government made him look the other way while this was occuring. Is there anyone who actually participated in this?

Once again, the answer is no. No one who directly participated in this is actually saying anything.

Just because you're an air traffic controller doens't mean that you can't get involved in a conspiracy theory. Perhaps he should contact some of his air traffic controller friends who must have been involved according to him and get them to go public. If you went public, I think that you'd get at least a 10 million dollar book deal.

Once again, no proof of anything. Sorry