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Originally posted by forestlady
I have known many people who either survived the camps, or had friends/relatives who did. I've also seen a survivor with the number tattooed on his arm. I've heard too many survivor stories to think it didn't happen. It DID happen and there were 6 million Jews killed. The ovens were going 24/7 and held lots of people at one time. IBM supplied the gas for the ovens.
Why is it so difficult to believe it happened? Humans are capable of absolute cruelty, why wouldn't this have happened?
Originally posted by dave_54
The millions of graves never existed. And of course the giant international Zionist conspiracy planted thousands of false memories into the minds of the survivors.
Originally posted by benevolent tyrant
Incidentally, I firmly believe that there was indeed an active program to collect, enslave and, ultimately, eradicate the Jewish people by the Nazis. I could hardly believe anything else from what I "know" and from the Holocaust survivors that I have personally known.
That question misses the point. The Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, portrays conference participants like David Duke, the former Louisiana Klan leader, and Robert Faurisson of France, who has devoted his life to trying to prove that the Nazi gas chambers are a myth, as honest men who have been silenced by their governments.
Originally posted by SR
Are they're any documented written orders for
extermination. Are there Aerial reconnaissance photographs of the concentration camps show no smoke and flames belching from the crematoria and pyres as alleged.
I believe it happened but not to the extent claimed i will of course explain:
I would like to make my first stab at this subject with this link. I will post more information later.
www.zundelsite.org...
The First Forensic
Examination of Auschwitz (June 1989), wrote, "While significant quantities of cyanide compounds were found in the small
de-lousing facilities at Auschwitz . . . no significant trace whatsoever was found in the buildings labeled as the camp's
infamous gas chambers . . . moreover, the design and construction of those buildings are unfeasible for mass gassings.
Only after Jews were identified -- a massive and complex task that Hitler wanted done immediately -- could they be targeted for efficient asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, enslaved labor, and, ultimately, annihilation. It was a cross-tabulation and organizational challenge so monumental, it called for a computer. Of course, in the 1930s no computer existed.
But IBM's Hollerith punch card technology did exist. Aided by the company's custom-designed and constantly updated Hollerith systems, Hitler was able to automate his persecution of the Jews. Historians have always been amazed at the speed and accuracy with which the Nazis were able to identify and locate European Jewry. Until now, the pieces of this puzzle have never been fully assembled. The fact is, IBM technology was used to organize nearly everything in Germany and then Nazi Europe, from the identification of the Jews in censuses, registrations, and ancestral tracing programs to the running of railroads and organizing of concentration camp slave labor.
Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
Anyway, The Jewish population within Germany wanted to have their own piece of land in the Holy Lands and approached the Brit's who up to that point were not in a very good way in the war and told them, that they will approach the jewish lobby in the US and get them to lobby the US Government to enter the war on the side of the british, in return the jews want their own state of Israel.
Originally posted by Nemithesis
My history is a little fuzzy on this topic.
Why, exactly, did the German Nazis want to mass kill the Jews?
Originally posted by Ed Littlefox
Originally posted by Nemithesis
My history is a little fuzzy on this topic.
Why, exactly, did the German Nazis want to mass kill the Jews?
@ Nemithesis
Ok--try because in their bid to produce an Aryan Super-race, the powers that be in the Third Reich felt that Jews, Gypsies, the Disabled, and the Mentally challenged, were "lesser types" and were toxic to the gene-pool of such a Super-race.
Originally posted by finallianstallion
Originally posted by forestlady
I have known many people who either survived the camps, or had friends/relatives who did. I've also seen a survivor with the number tattooed on his arm. I've heard too many survivor stories to think it didn't happen. It DID happen and there were 6 million Jews killed. The ovens were going 24/7 and held lots of people at one time. IBM supplied the gas for the ovens.
Why is it so difficult to believe it happened? Humans are capable of absolute cruelty, why wouldn't this have happened?
IBM provided the gas? Are you talking about the computer company IBM or what? Maybe U could explain more. Now what Ive heard is that IBM got sued because they allegedy provided naziz with computers. And that was concluded by saying that naziz could not have calculated how many prisoners they kiled in camps. If this is the same IBM then this is perfect example how rumors and misinformation spreads false information.
IBM sellin gas? huh...
[edit on 14-12-2006 by finallianstallion]
Originally posted by Ed Littlefox
I can see that many of you are young--very young. I am not, for what it's worth. I am having a real problem getting my head around the fact that there still are those in the World who would deny the Holocaust.