Schizophrenia

Alright a few statements prior to this:

-Schizophrenia is a serious disease and I am not trying to say it isn't. Or make light of it.

-I have a very "light" case of schizophrenia (It took me awhile to actually understand this, and it's still hard)

-Please don't make fun of mental illnesses if anyone comes forth claiming they have them on this forum and what not.

Okay so here I go:
I was browsing on the internted not to long ago and heard a theory that the voices some hear are actually spirits or a paranormal force. Now the voices I hear (which happen on very rare occasions) I think are spirits or something, however, what I think is so does not make it true in the all-present Truth. As I get better I hope to realize this is not the case. But I have a hit a road block because of an experience -

I was driving off to college and heard them. They said hostage situation in so and so area. Later that evening I put on the news. It said that there was a hostage situation in the area the voices said there would be.

So my questions are. What is your view of schizophrenics and spirits idea? Also was there anything psychic about this?

NOTE: I don't have visual hallucinations or anything. I am able to tell what's real with most things. I'm not pulling a John Nash/Beautiful Mind thing and "imagining" this event. It did actually occur. Even ask my mommy . Also I am a skeptic as a result of my illness.

I always thought the voices were radio waves, cell phone, microwaves, video signals, and all that. At night when I do some meditation I can pick up voices. Sentences that don't really mean anything. I figured I was picking up cell phone messages. I'm pretty sure these signals go right through the skull.

I thought schizophrenia was more along the lines of multiple personality disorder where the invidual is usually unaware of their switch over. I looked it up just to be sure.

a psychotic disorder characterized by loss of contact with the environment, by noticeable deterioration in the level of functioning in everyday life, and by disintegration of personality expressed as disorder of feeling, thought (as delusions), perception (as hallucinations), and behavior

Your story about the hostage situation sounds like you were picking up radio waves. Unless you have other signs I would say you're safe. Then one has to wonder what all these signals are doing to our brains.

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What do the voices sound like,whispers or real voices of men/women?

I would rule out the cellphone idea just because I hear them at other times and it's stuff......that I don't think anyone would say on a radio, cellphone, etc. I've also been clinically diagnosed.

The voices are very ethereal like. Almost like an audible whisper. For instance if I was hooked up to MRI a certain part of my brain would light up as though I am hearing something that isn't there (or there to me). If you want to get a window into my life I'd recommend the movie Donie Darko, lol.

I was also watching something. I found it unusual that with twins one can have schizophrenia and the other not. Even if they are brought up in the same environment. The only inconsistency I would see would be emotional. Such as tough relationships with girlfriends or boyfriends.

What i find ever more interesting is the fact that people get misdiagnosed with schizophrenia. i personally know someone who was misdiagnosed with it when they really had DID (dissociative identity disorder).
the cool thing is over time he has learned to control it. he can hear what the other identity is saying and he can switch on demand.
He has gotten so good with it he actually can have one identity write an essay while the other plays video game, makes dinner, and other things. when the other identity is done writing the essay, he switches over and types it out.

he believes anyone can learn to do this you just have to "turn" it on some how.

very very interesting.

What kind of stuff exactly? There are a lot of communications going on out there that would cover the gamut of topics.

I'm pretty sure what I pick up is cellphone chatter or the like. Usually, they are inane sentences that have no context for me personally. Since I pick them up in a semi-sleep state it's hard to remember any specifics. But if you ever had to listen to someone on a cellphone with their inane chatter that's about what it amounts to.

I personally think that some voices that people hear are spirits or alien chatter. I've always thought that making it into some sort of disease prevents people from thinking outside of the prescribed boundries of current society. Keep the status quo at all costs.

Cellar Door.

Originally posted by Arm Of Geddon
What kind of stuff exactly? There are a lot of communications going on out there that would cover the gamut of topics.

I'm pretty sure what I pick up is cellphone chatter or the like. Usually, they are inane sentences that have no context for me personally. Since I pick them up in a semi-sleep state it's hard to remember any specifics. But if you ever had to listen to someone on a cellphone with their inane chatter that's about what it amounts to.

I personally think that some voices that people hear are spirits or alien chatter. I've always thought that making it into some sort of disease prevents people from thinking outside of the prescribed boundries of current society. Keep the status quo at all costs.

Cellar Door.

Part of my emergency medical training is to recognize when a patient is going off the deep end and may represent a hazard to my crew and I. Your signals are not from the outside. They do pass through yuor skul but you do not have the recieiving portion to turn those signals back to an audible voice.

If you were to tell me what you stated here on an emgergency scene, I would call in police backup. You should see a profesional, just some advice. How old are you? Schizophrenia in a lot of cases shows up in the late teens to early twenties and can be treated effectively if caught in time.

AOG, I'd only see someone if the voices persist when you are not dozing off.....but anyway, back on topic.

The voices are a commentary on my life usually. Why would two people be talking on a cell phone about me and every mundance task I perform? It just doesn't make sense, AOG.

If you were to tell me what you stated here on an emgergency scene, I would call in police backup.

Might I ask the reasoning behind this procedure?

I'll be honest here. I think that people who are diagnosed as "schizophrenic" are in tune with something that the rest of us are not. Now what this something is I make no claim to know... However, I think that given the way "schizophrenics" have been demonized throughout the years, it shows that there is more ro it than what the status quo would have one to believe.

[edit on 13-12-2006 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
Part of my emergency medical training is to recognize when a patient is going off the deep end and may represent a hazard to my crew and I. Your signals are not from the outside. They do pass through yuor skul but you do not have the recieiving portion to turn those signals back to an audible voice.

That's cute. I suppose you've studied every last aspect of the human brain and can be certain it can't tune into certain frequencies? If it's not published then it can't possible be true. We have come as far as we'll ever go in understanding the human brain and it's capabilities. No more discoveries, ever.

Originally posted by Dracotic
AOG, I'd only see someone if the voices persist when you are not dozing off.....but anyway, back on topic.

The voices are a commentary on my life usually. Why would two people be talking on a cell phone about me and every mundance task I perform? It just doesn't make sense, AOG.

I've only caught them on occasion and they don't persist. Even if they did, I would handle it on my own. These so called professionals are still living in Freudian Bubbles. I can psychoanalyze circles around any of them.

But yea, back on topic. So it's commentary about your life. I've heard of this before. Since you have been clinically diagnosed and most likely tried whatever they recommended I'm presuming you wish to work this out on your own. Obviously, or this thread wouldn't exist right?

One of the first things I would do is analyse yourself, be honest, and list for yourself any other symptoms you may be experiencing. If you feel you have other symptoms you may want to read some schizophrenia case studies so you can see what other symptoms have been observed.

I sense that you don't necessarily have further symptoms besides the commentary except for the annoyance caused by the commentary and any manifestations of that annoyance (nervousness, etc). That's just what I'm reading from your posts, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Just to be completely safe here. I am not a medical professional. I do not hold any degrees whatsoever. Everything written in this thread is my own opinion based on my own personal life-long study of human behavior. By reading any of my words contained in this thread you agree that I can not be held responsible for any effect or lack thereof occurring to any entity, legal, mortal, or otherwise in any time frame, dimension, or state of consciousness as a result of any action or inaction contemplated, planned, undertaken, or performed.

Ok, that's out of the way. The first thing to do is ensure that you can tell the difference between your normal inner voice and the "other" voices. If this can be done then you're ahead of the game. Next you might wish to keep some sort of personal diary of commentary. No need to write everything, obviously, but this will give you a written record so that you can identify specific personalities to the voices if personality traits exist. In other words, try to figure out if there is more than one voice and if so how many.

Basically, what I'm saying is organize what's going on first. Put it down on paper so you can see it. This will create a layer of disconnect that will allow for a better vantage point in dealing with this. Just observe and record for now until you are satisfied with it.

edit: spelling

[edit on 12/13/2006 by Arm Of Geddon]

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
I'll be honest here. I think that people who are diagnosed as "schizophrenic" are in tune with something that the rest of us are not. Now what this something is I make no claim to know... However, I think that given the way "schizophrenics" have been demonized throughout the years, it shows that there is more ro it than what the status quo would have one to believe.

[edit on 13-12-2006 by SpeakerofTruth]

I have the same belief. And it sickens me that doctors jump at the occasion to prescribe medication to people out of pretext that they're sick. Humans evolve, maybe schizophrenia is just early evolution of psychic abilities. From what I know, the voice in MY head stoped calling me names the moment I stopped paying attention to it, now it says nothing, but that's my other self. You know, people talk to themselves and take up two different personalities to confront situations, gives them many options of dealing with a situation. And I had no friends, maybe it was my imaginary second self bugging me, I didn't mind, it was funny sometimes. But back to seriousness now. The voices tell you what you are currently doing? that's kinda bizzare, can you silence them at will or are you helpless to their mindless rhetorics?

a psychotic disorder characterized by loss of contact with the environment, by noticeable deterioration in the level of functioning in everyday life, and by disintegration of personality expressed as disorder of feeling, thought (as delusions), perception (as hallucinations), and behavior

This definition in an aspect of one taken from three, appears to be applicable to all of humanity.

Loss of contact with the environment: Although We are forever connected to the environment, Our psychological states of mind seem to have taken a neurological road course, detouring towards disconnection. Destroying the environment, desensitized to this destruction, and what could be called "spiritual" de-evolving as a species (for lack of more fitting terms).

We think in illusion, which can thus be classified as delusional, since delusional is a classification of illusion, and classifications Exist in illusional realities.

The deterioration of everyday life is standingly noticable.

'Diss-integration of personality ex-pressed as diss-order of feeling' is the very definition of Schizophrenic classifications and the personality of those performing the classifying procedures.

Question : How can it be proved that any perception is Not a hallucination?

What is taken from the amalgamated Existence and divided into groups of labels such as "psychic" only furthers to distance Our minds from truly oversitting these so called "phenomena". What We are and what speaks through Us is the Everything that We Is; it is Not supernatural, nor is it "psychic". It is Perfectly Human and Perfectly Omni-versal.

Harmony and Blessings of Perfection

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From my understanding, schizophrenia is a complete break from reality. I'm no expert but we cover such things in some of my Corrections classes about how some inmates become schizoprenic in prison and lose all touch with reality as most of us know it. To them nothing is as it seems, its really terrible that one could be in a place they considered so terrible their mind breaks from reality to get away from it. I always wondered if what we call schizophrenia is really our minds coping mechanism during really hard tribulant times that we cant seem to get out of. Anyone think this is possible?

Originally posted by ludaChris
From my understanding, schizophrenia is a complete break from reality. I'm no expert but we cover such things in some of my Corrections classes about how some inmates become schizoprenic in prison and lose all touch with reality as most of us know it. To them nothing is as it seems,

The funny thing is, nothing is as it seems.. So where are they wrong?

[edit on 13-12-2006 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
I'll be honest here. I think that people who are diagnosed as "schizophrenic" are in tune with something that the rest of us are not. Now what this something is I make no claim to know... However, I think that given the way "schizophrenics" have been demonized throughout the years, it shows that there is more ro it than what the status quo would have one to believe.

[edit on 13-12-2006 by SpeakerofTruth]

Speaking as someone who has a family member with this illness and a few friends, I do find it difficult to go along with the above post.
It's a very attractive idea to beleive that schizophrenic people are somehow in tune with some other forces - certainly in milder cases.
My uncle suffers from severe schizophrenia - he see's hideous visions, has been attacked by werewolves, attacked by the devil, kidnapped by aliens, married to all sorts of people with the 'wonderful' news mentioned in daily broadsheets and thinks that people are out to get him. He can also become very violent.

I find it a little bit naive that these 'episodes' can be explained away by some contact with another reality - it really can be full on madness and they would have to be pretty nasty spirits to do such things - I just don't see why any spirit or alien would bother doing such a thing.

I could be wrong but I feel this is too simplified an answer.

Perhaps Dracotic has been mis-diagnosed ????

[edit on 13-12-2006 by NeoSocialist]

Originally posted by Dracotic
I was browsing on the internted not to long ago and heard a theory that the voices some hear are actually spirits or a paranormal force. Now the voices I hear (which happen on very rare occasions) I think are spirits or something, however, what I think is so does not make it true in the all-present Truth. As I get better I hope to realize this is not the case. But I have a hit a road block because of an experience -

I was driving off to college and heard them. They said hostage situation in so and so area. Later that evening I put on the news. It said that there was a hostage situation in the area the voices said there would be.

So my questions are. What is your view of schizophrenics and spirits idea? Also was there anything psychic about this?

Given your experience, I'm wondering if you are in fact tapped in mentally to another dimension that manifests itself as what we would call a psychic experience.

My understanding is that the whole history of what we call "mental illness" is based on a legal definition and emanates from the military experience with their combat soldiers. In fact, the first DSM originated from the military - as I understand it.

I tend to view those with unique experiences and/or capabilities as just that - those with unique experiences and/or capabilities. Sometimes they can be so unique that it makes it very difficult to function in a world where that capability is, in fact, very unique.

I hope that makes sense.

Always,
Shawnna

Neo, nah. I agree with you. I was just curious. You're uncle seems to have group/stage 4. I am deeply sorry to hear about this. Mine is more along the lines of group 1/2.

luda, I don't think it's possible just because prior to my episodes I was completely content......extremely content. Awsome girlfriends, friends, grades, and so on.

I don't know who asked this, and I am going to read this thread more thoroughly and get back to any extra questions. But the voices are hard to "shut off". If I stop what I'm doing and center myself I can usually make them go away though. Whether they stay away is another matter....

Just wanted to get this post out as soon as possible.

I studied schizophrenia (i hate writing this word. takes a few tries to get it right) during my college psychology course.

The 'voices' that schizophrenics hear are believed to be thought processes which everyone has. However, sufferers of schizophrenia are unable to differentiate between what they are actually thinking and the thought processes.

We got told to think of it like a PC...

Whenever you are doing something on the computer, your PC is running several proccesses in the background, in addition to the application you are using. Schizophrenics find it difficult to tell the 'running applications' apart from the 'background proccesses' and so it causes a sort of confusion in the mind (which is why shcizophrenia is called schizophrenia: it means 'split-mind')

Sufferers who hear voices are classified as 'Paranoid Schizophrenics'. This type of schizophrenia is highlighted by auditory or tactile hallucinations, either persecuting the sufferer or deifying them. It is also highlighted by delusions of persecution (in which one thinks they are being in some way watched, stalked etc) or delusions of grandeur (in which one thinks they are more significant than others, or in extreme cases, the reborn Christ).