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Remember the missing 100 or so suitcase nukes from Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union?
Originally posted by byhiniur
Just a small point... In the news we were told Litvinenko ingested polonium-210, thats why he couldn't be treated.
Originally posted by byhiniur
As you point out, paper can stop the radiation from Po-210, so how would this chemical affect the four members of the meeting in the hotel?
Originally posted by byhiniur
So if Litvinenko was a terrorist why would he eat polonium-210? Why would any of the people contaminated have eaten this dangerous chemical; as this is the only way they could have been contaminated considering its low levels of contamination through shielding.
Originally posted by byhiniur
Furthermore, why would Scotland Yard have upgraded the mystery surrounding Litvinenko's death to murder if he could have been effected by merely carrying it in a sealed container?
Originally posted by Nygdan
If its the chechens, then wouldn't the russians be all over it? Rather than trying to deflect it to anti-government activists, unassociated with chechnya? Wouldn't the russians jump at the chance to say lay the blame on the chechnyans and bomb the hell outta them?
Originally posted by Nygdan
Remember the missing 100 or so suitcase nukes from Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union?
Indeed. But, how does litivenko get poisoned anyway? Why would they have him working on these devices, surely there are more qualified people? I can see him getting accidentally poisoned, and then they all figure, lets say the ruskies did it, but how's he get poisoned in the first place?
Originally posted by Nygdan
I don't think we can rule out the russians merely because the polonium is an 'unlikely' poison, the conspiracy you outline is just as, if not more, unlikely. Likelyhood alone doesn't seem much help either way.
Originally posted by stumason
Ingested is just one way. Inhalation is another.
Originally posted by stumason
Well, it obviuosly did, as they are ill. It is entirely possible that something happened in that room that exposed them all. If the Po-210 is a dust, it was probably inhaled.
Originally posted by stumason
Use your imagination. Also, it's not a chemical. It's an element.
Originally posted by stumason
No, it isnt the only way. Po-210 is usually a dust anyway and if not, is easily aerosolised.
Originally posted by stumason
Several possible reasons. either they don't know any better, or maybe they do but are not saying as to avoid causing a panic. You say upgraded, but it was never anything but. They started a murder investigation when he died.
It obviously did according to you. It may have been inhaled, but you are trying to argue that four people who were clever enough to either steal or raise the money to buy this expensive element () where stupid enough to take the stopper of the test tube of dust and inhale bits of Po-210?
Thanks, I'm not a Chemist. Anyways, why use my imagination when I can wait for the facts?
"If not"... so is it a dust or not, because it seems your theory relies on it being so and that the container they had broke for some reason. If it was 'aerosolised' then why would they infect themselves?
I applaud you for trying to put a conspiracy twist onto this story, but your ideas seem to be flawed because the perpatrators(sp) of the aleged plan to create dirty bombs wouldn't infect themselves.
POLICE forces have been told to buy anti-radiation masks for their 100,000 frontline officers to protect them in the event of a “dirty bomb” terrorist attack
Sunday Times December 10, 2006.
Originally posted by gimmefootball400
As for who done it, this wreaks of a KGB/FSB plot against critics of the Russian State. It has been proven that some of the elements of the KGB from Putin's days are still there. The espionage is still there, the murder for hire is still there, this 'accidental' death wreaks with the smell of the Kremlin's hands.
Originally posted by jtma508
Your post, stu, is awesome as is your research. I hadn't considered this possibility but am intrigued now.
Originally posted by jtma508
Because of the enormous expense and great difficulty attached to acquiring Po-210 it seems like an unlikely candidate for a dirty bomb. Although its potency and relatively low shielding requirements does seem to counter that.
Originally posted by jtma508
Do you think that the packaging was accidentally breached during its transit? Or do you think the trail was left intentionally? If, as you suggest, the 4 men meeting at The Millenium were contaminated there accidentally, it may be possible that the package was broken during transit and that while handling it at the hotel they became contaminated. That scenario would seem consistent. I find it highly unlikely they would all knowingly contaminate themselves. To what end? Learning in the news that Litvinenko had converted to Islam was troubling to say the least.
Originally posted by jtma508
Learning in the news that Litvinenko had converted to Islam was troubling to say the least.
I agree with you, stu. This looks particularly ominous.
Originally posted by maloy
While it is obvious that there is more to the story than simple assasination, I still don't see what Polonium could have been used for, and why UK and Germany of all places. If it was Chechens, they have no reason to target anything outside Russia.