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Originally posted by EmilyCragg
You mean, a hundred thousand tons of concrete just disappeared into thin air, and you want to say a plane did that?
And that explains why there were several pools of molten metal under the wreckage for six weeks after 911?
And that explains why there are spikes in radioactivity ever since; and hundreds of rescue workers are now dying from and suffering from cancer and lung diseases?
I don't think even six Airbuses could do that much damage. The building was designed to withstand airplane hits ... but not mini-nukes, which is what it looks as if it really was, from the evidence.
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Originally posted by mazzroth
I wonder if thats all it took was to shine a light at a detonator that is Light Dependant Reactive to set off the main charges ?.
Originally posted by debate
Originally posted by mazzroth
I wonder if thats all it took was to shine a light at a detonator that is Light Dependant Reactive to set off the main charges ?.
through the perimeter wall? If visible light was being used what would stop the sunlight doing it?
Also the helicopter was above WTC1, WTC2s line of sight was covered by smoke.
see the problem with using visible light to detonate explosives?
1) clear line of sight
2) do it in the dark and hope no-one has a torch
[edit on 21-12-2006 by debate]
Originally posted by debate
The flashes could be lightening strikes between helicopter and WTC1?
WTC1 has a massive build up of positive charge and the helicopter creates a leader.
This is not saying the helicopter had a beam weapon or such stuff but due to the helicopter letting out a rescue line it is entirely possible that the line produced a conduit for electrons... and bang ... lightening.
This requires the assumption that WTC1 or WTC2, unsure which, had an incredible build up of protons.
n.b this is just a hypothosis of why the flashes occurred.
Originally posted by JIMC5499
Actually the helicopter would be the one to build up the charge. If you ever have the chance to watch a helicopter land at night, watch the ground just before it touches down. If you are in the right place you can see a massive spark go from the aircraft to the ground. I spent almost five years as a Navy Search and Rescue crewman. One of the first things that they taught us was to let the hoist cable go into the water before reaching for it. People have been killed by grabbing the cable before it has grounded itself.
As far as this video goes, I still haven't seen the flashes. I have seen the anti-collision strobe light, but nothing else out of the ordinary.
Originally posted by JIMC5499
What "evidence" are you referring to? I have yet to see proof of "molten pools of metal", I have seen proof in threads on ATS that state that there were no such pools.
One of the other ATS threads has a chemical break down of the components of the dust from the WTC. I'll admit that there are traces of Thorium and Thallium but no other possible sources of radioactivity are mentioned.
If you have any evidence please post it, I'd love to see it.
The president of Tully Construction of Flushing, NY, said he saw pools of "literally molten steel" at Ground Zero. Bollyn also cites Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition Inc. (CDI) of Phoenix, MD, as having seen molten steel in the bottoms of elevator shafts "three, four, and five weeks" after the attack.
A report by Waste Age describes New York Sanitation Department workers moving "everything from molten steel beams to human remains." 2 Â
A report on the Government Computer News website quotes Greg Fuchek, vice president of sales for LinksPoint Inc. as stating:
In the first few weeks, sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel 3 Â
A Messenger-Inquirer report recounts the experiences of Bronx firefighter "Toolie" O'Toole, who stated that some of the beams lifted from deep within the catacombs of Ground Zero by cranes were "dripping from the molten steel." 4 Â
A transcription of an audio interview of Ground Zero chaplain Herb Trimpe contains the following passage:
When I was there, of course, the remnants of the towers were still standing. It looked like an enormous junkyard. A scrap metal yard, very similar to that. Except this was still burning. There was still fire. On the cold days, even in January, there was a noticeable difference between the temperature in the middle of the site than there was when you walked two blocks over on Broadway. You could actually feel the heat.
It took me a long time to realize it and I found myself actually one day wanting to get back. Why? Because I felt more comfortable. I realized it was actually warmer on site. The fires burned, up to 2,000 degrees, underground for quite a while before they actually got down to those areas and they cooled off.
I talked to many contractors and they said they actually saw molten metal trapped, beams had just totally had been melted because of the heat. So this was the kind of heat that was going on when those airplanes hit the upper floors. It was just demolishing heat. 5 Â
A report in the Johns Hopkins Public Health Magazine about recovery work in late October quotes Alison Geyh, Ph.D., as stating:
Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel. 6 Â
A publication by the National Environmental Health Association quotes Ron Burger, a public health advisor at the National Center for Environmental Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who arrived at Ground Zero on the evening of September 12th. Burger stated:
Feeling the heat, seeing the molten steel, the layers upon layers of ash, like lava, it reminded me of Mt. St. Helen’s and the thousands who fled that disaster. 7 Â
As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running. 8 Â
A member of the New York Air National Guard's 109th Air Wing was at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6. He kept a journal on which an article containing the following passage is based.
Smoke constantly poured from the peaks. One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers' remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots. 9 Â
The book American Ground, which contains detailed descriptions of conditions at Ground Zero, contains this passage:
... or, in the early days, the streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole.
From: "Leuren Moret"
Originally posted by debate
You havent seen the flashes?
As for the charge build it.. it would require the line to contact with the building. For it to bridge a gap over half a meter -- like lightning-- it would require a huge amount much more than what a chopper can produce.
anti-collision light -- interesting
Originally posted by JIMC5499
Like I said I saw the flashing anti-collision light on the helicopter. I saw no flashes out of the ordinary.
Originally posted by debate
ahhh ok. You do realise that the flashes were over 50ft in length?
Spire is 360ft tall
ahhh ok. You do realise that the flashes were over 50ft in length?
Originally posted by CameronFox
That was a 50 foot flash ??? Geeeesh... this is rediculous...think about it... MILLIONS upon millions of people are watching... the government is going to send a NYPD helicopter to the roof and shoot a "laser" into the roof to cause the building to collapse. The Disinfo just keeps on spewing out!