What is the point of Psychic / Paranormal powers?

I saw the 9-11 event in '95... I just didn't know that the images I saw in my head were that literal, and thought nothing of it until about 2 years ago.

As far as psychics go, everyone has psychic ability. As far as the rituals, or ouiji, or ceremonies go, it is just a person or groups way of meditating and concentrating on using their abilities. The Ouiji board is simply a meditative device, or a 'link' between what is uncertain (spirits, ghosts) and what IS certain, what you can feel. It is used as a door, basically. To get in a house, you don't have to use the door, but most of the time it is much easier

I am very empathetically sensitive... that means that my common psychic "power" is that I am able to feel a person's aura, and read it. Some people project thoughts and feelings more than others, and that results in a certain energy. It's the same thing that animals have, and the reason they can tell if something is wrong with a person or other animal, or feel good and bad prescence.

Really, it's no different than some people who are magnetically sensitive... some people can tell when an earthquake is going to happen because they can sense or feel the magnetic fields generated by a plate slipping against another plate. Animals are REALLY sensitive to this.

BTW, I hope nobody is offended by my explanations of rituals, but it's the truth. We all have rituals... if I don't get up and make coffee right before work, it throws my whole focus off and takes me longer to get into 'work mode'. I can survive without it, but it has become a ritual so I can get in the state of mind to be able to drag my butt into work and deal with my boss before I even step foot out my front door

Ha ha,I heer you about the morning coffee,I am the same way,can't even think properly until I get that first cup
so if you really saw the 9-11 event,why would you not try to warn someone like the police or the newspapers,Then who knows,possibly some one could have had enough warning to investigate further and possibly prevent those insane scum bags from hijacking the planes?

See now many people say the same as you but way after the fact,That's why I will never believe in most psychics.

Ahem...

He did say he saw the image in his head in 95, and didn't think they were literal.
im just guessing thats why he didn't say anything.

Okay, I've looked through this thread and I've seen alot of people use alot of different terms for the word Psychic.

If you mean predicting the future, then say it, don't bundle all of the Psionic powers into one label.

Now, as far as Precognition goes, I've found that it just happens to you. You can't choose what you 'see' and what you don't 'see', you've only got what you have to work with.

Also, when the author of this thread talks about Psychic's and Oijua Boards, and I've just got to say that there is definately a difference.

Oijua Boards are Magick, not Psychic activity. There is a significant difference in how they operate, and any Psychic who says he can predict the future, but he needs a Oijua Board ISN'T REALLY PSYCHIC!

Forestlady is right, this isn't something that you get for a specific reason. It's just like being born with blue eyes, or being espically good at football. Just a talent that you are either born with, or acquire later on in your life.

Also, Psychic abilities don't nessisarily work consistently. It's like having to hit a specific target with a dart and having to hit the target AT THE EXACT SAME PLACE the 2nd time you try. It's difficult, and sometimes it won't work.

Anyway, that's my two cents.

Originally posted by something smells
If they really exist what is the point of paranormal / psychic powers?

What do you mean by the word "point"?

You are not changing the world for the good, that I can see.

That you can see. But, what are you looking for?

I just see a bunch of people with elitist and self centred meaning of self worth and superiority.

Have you accumilated any experience througout your existance without the instinct of "Self preserve", aka "Self Pre-Serve", aka "selfish before i serve (anything or anyone)"? Prehaps the only reason you can only observe "a bunch of self centered" is because you have no basis for reference for thinking otherwise yourself.

If there was anything in it, then surely there would be a consensus or commonality.

certainly there would be, or rather there is. But, fortunatley, perhaps disregarding an "opinion" that was seeded by the instincts of "self pre-serve" does not permit the selfish to recognize or acknowledge the consensus or commonality.

In every field there is contradictory views and methods.

i see no contradictory views or methods, just a failure to communicate accuratley the compatibility of truth.

Where is the tangible proof that you are doing good for the world, mankind, even for yourself.

sorry, but your thought process does not permit me to accuratley address your inquiry. the way you interpret "tangible" verses the way many others interpret "tangible" are not the same.

If these powers really exist surely they should be for the demonstrable good?

I'll say this once, and pray that one day it means what it means.
Be carefull what you ask for, you may just get it.

You people have the right to believe in whatever you want to of course. But I see delusion.

How much empathy and love for the truth is required to say:
"you have the right to believe what you want. i see you are delusional."

what have you taught, except for how to judge, be objective, limit peoples' possibilities, and discredit the plausibility that other senses exist?

The mind is a powerful thing.

Then step into yours and find out how powerful it is.

Then perhaps you'll know the answer to your original question in this thread:
"What is the point?"

The point for me is you are going to believe what your opinion permits you to believe. The point is for me that the truth of the point cannot be given, only experienced.

Thanks for the thread. And, YES, i truly did like the questions.

thanks,
john

All I have to say to this is...

those who believe in absolutes and simple possibilities are usually those who do no good for the world, others, or themselves.

those who believe in variables and impossible things are usually those who make the world a better place to exist, not only for others but themselves.

In other words, whether or not super "psychic abilities" exist, it is, to me, cold and far more illogical to default to the label of "impossible".

Does a belief in god(s) hurt others? Does a belief that the mind is outwardly powerful hurt others? Only if people do not entertain the thought of other possibilities.

Originally posted by something smells
If they really exist what is the point of paranormal / psychic powers?

You are not changing the world for the good, that I can see. I just see a bunch of people with elitist and self centred meaning of self worth and superiority.

*First off Smells, I dont think it was people with Psi who caused all the problems in the world, most people with Psi talents are pretty nice in fact. Just saying you can do this or that does not apply superiority in any way. For instance; I cant skateboard. I think skateboarding is cool but I just can't do it. However, I dont think people who can skateboard are superior to me, because I can do other things maybe they can't do, so it all evens out.

If there was anything in it, then surely there would be a consensus or commonality.

*There are often commonalities with people who have the same types of Psi. For instance, I wish I had a nickle for everytime I said 'Snap' because someone said or thought, the exact same thing as I did at the same time!

In every field there is contradictory views and methods.

*True, who said there wasn't?

Enlightened better than the average Joe, Psychic "A" says the boogie man or whatever exists and can be engaged by Ouija.

Enlightened better than the average Joe, Psychic "B" says no, the boogie man or whatever exists but you have to have to have a rite, a spell, an incantation and burn / eat / sacrifice herbs / animals / virgins.

Enlightened better than the average Joe, Psychic "C" says "Balls" The boogie man don't exist or can't harm you if you do not have evil at heart.

*Different strokes for different folks and different magick for different folks, some seek internal magick while others seek external elemental magick, the main thing usually is that someone truly believes in what they are doing for Psi to work. Thats my belief anyway..lol.

So you spend hours creating "Psi" balls. So what? To what end?

*Psi balls I have heard can be used for any number of Psi things, including self defense and healing.

Spoon bending, moving toothpicks with your mind and manipulating clouds. So what? Is it making the world a better place?

*ok cloud moving can be handy when you are trying to move a rain cloud closer to you, or even away from you. Also it is awesome to get them moving very fast, just for the fun of it. Spoon bending, or changing the form/shape of metallic objects. I can see that would be great for many things besides spoons, for instance have you every used a random key on a random lock and have it work..I have! Have you ever been in a fix you had to escape from by changing the composition of metal..I have!

Where is the tangible proof that you are doing good for the world, mankind, even for yourself.

*Faith/Psi Healing powers are good, arent they? Many 'happy accident' (universal subconscious) type scientific discoveries are very good for the world. Being warned of an accident and avoiding it, that is good, isnt it? Besides that why do people with Psi talents have an automatic obligation to make the world a better place, when people with little Psi talents often feel no need to improve things?

If these powers really exist surely they should be for the demonstrable good?

*Many Psi people demonstrate their talents.

You people have the right to believe in whatever you want to of course. But I see delusion.

The mind is a powerful thing.

*Yes the mind is a powerful thing, and you can use it to enable or disable yourself and others. Until you discover and use your Psi gifts they are like natural appendages you have but never use. Why not develop them and see where it goes from there? You have nothing to lose, but the time it takes to apply yourself to study and practice.

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I fully understand the questions you ask, why you ask them, and your disbelief in the subject.

Up untill about 10 -15 years ago, being gifted was considered a dirty little secret. If you told someone, they would most likely laugh in your face, call you a freak, or sugest you admit yourself to the looney bin. But a few people - God bless them - had the nerve to go on tv with it. By doing so, they opened many peoples minds to the fact that this is indeed real. Now, its is not such a dirtly little secret anymore.

Yes, there are several people on the boards talking about it and asking questions. This is because it is somewhat new to them. They are asking many of the same questions you are. Why is this happening, and what can I do with/about it.

Understanding how it works is not easy for many. A person with gifts does not need to stop something big. They mearly need to add influince to a person or two before hand. By doing THAT, they can totaly change a series of events. That is why many, like yourself, do not see what we ARE indeed doing to help. A good many of us do not think ourselves any better than anyone else. Another reason you do not see our work.

As for 9-11.....one thing that sticks out for me most about that day, is how they all said it was a miriacle how few people were in there that day. How there were supposed to me thousands more in those buildings. What happened to the people inside that day, was indeed awefull. But, that day set off several chain reactions, that branch off into two groups. Good and evil. Thousands died that day. At least 6 times as many lives were changed for ever. Wait and see what this next generation does. Children whose loved ones died that day. THey will always remember that event, and what they become, and choices they make in life, will be largely based on that event. THis will cause an unexpected outcome where the good that comes out of this event seriously out weighs the bad event itself. The two planes hitting the buildings and those buildings going down truely looks like a small event when compaired to the chain of events that will follow for the next century.

There are many different types of psychic abilities. More and more people realize that they have different abilities every day. All of the gifts aid people in helping others. By helping others, even in a way that would seem insugnifficant to others, can totaly alter a long chain of events.

As for those of you who do not believe, all I can say is that you will someday. The truth is the truth no matter what you believe or what you say. The truth is often hidden, but it is always discovered.

Ok ,if one of the people who was supposed to be in the twin towers that fateful day but changed there mind because, a psychic or a relative had a strange feeling .Warning them that something bad would happen if they went in the building.If someone came out and said this ,it could validate some claims that psychics can see or sense something harmful in ones future.I have not seen 1 single story like that anywhere.Even if the day before 1 or 2 psychics saw this horrible event,they could have done so much good saving countless lives.Didn't happen.I still remember people jumping out the windows to there death on live tV.School children at home were watching this,giving bad nightmares for many weeks.Not even 1 psychic saw this ahead of time to do any good,Sorry but they have no real talents,period.

Originally posted by mistr_b2
Even if the day before 1 or 2 psychics saw this horrible event,they could have done so much good saving countless lives.

Tell me what they could have done. Told people? Would you have paid any attention?

If those people didnt go to work that day, or were late, because of a gut instinct, or because of something someone said to them, why do you think they would tell anyone about it, and why in the world do you think the news would have reported it?

Originally posted by mistr_b2
Ok ,if one of the people who was supposed to be in the twin towers that fateful day but changed there mind because, a psychic or a relative had a strange feeling .Warning them that something bad would happen if they went in the building.If someone came out and said this ,it could validate some claims that psychics can see or sense something harmful in ones future.I have not seen 1 single story like that anywhere.Even if the day before 1 or 2 psychics saw this horrible event,they could have done so much good saving countless lives.Didn't happen.I still remember people jumping out the windows to there death on live tV.School children at home were watching this,giving bad nightmares for many weeks.Not even 1 psychic saw this ahead of time to do any good,Sorry but they have no real talents,period.

I think you have a complete misunderstanding of what psychic phenomenon really is. I suggest you go to the first page of this thread and read some of the links that have been posted regarding the repeated verifiable scientific test that show psychic phenomenon to be real.

Originally posted by mrsdudara

Originally posted by mistr_b2
Even if the day before 1 or 2 psychics saw this horrible event,they could have done so much good saving countless lives.

Tell me what they could have done. Told people? Would you have paid any attention?

If those people didnt go to work that day, or were late, because of a gut instinct, or because of something someone said to them, why do you think they would tell anyone about it, and why in the world do you think the news would have reported it?

Yes of course ,there were many security guards or government officials or the police that were already on guard since the buildings were attacked a few years earlier with a bomb in the underground parking,remember?If someone had a vision,the most powerful vision would have been huge 747 airplanes hitting both buildings.In that case the airport security could have gone on alert and stopped the entire disaster.The government already knew that something was brewing but did not know when or where.If just 1 psychic said they had a vision about airplanes crashing in the Towers,yes of course the government would have stopped it.You psychics should all be ashamed of your self.Didn't see it coming.

They would NOT have done that if a psychic came up to them and told them that! And on top of it, what do you think govt. officials would have done to that person, had they told them that? I doubt very seriously they would have treated them kindly.

You, being a skeptic should understand that.

Actually you do have a point,If a psychic called the police or the Mayors office one day before.They would have most likely laughed at the caller.They would laugh because they all know there is no real Psychics

However,the following days would prove the psychic was correct and the government could have asked the gifted person to help out with the investigation of who were the people involved with the Terror plot.Also the psychic could have helped to locate people trapped under the debris.Since none of this happened ,again psychics are a fraud.

Just out of curiosity,Does anyone have any idea how many psychic hotlines were running in the twin towers at the time when the planes hit?

I have heard that many types of business were conducted in these 2 buildings,I am fairly sure there must have been several psychic hotlines running.No offense to any family members that knew someone there at the time.

Originally posted by mistr_b2
Actually you do have a point,If a psychic called the police or the Mayors office one day before.They would have most likely laughed at the caller.They would laugh because they all know there is no real Psychics

However,the following days would prove the psychic was correct and the government could have asked the gifted person to help out with the investigation of who were the people involved with the Terror plot.Also the psychic could have helped to locate people trapped under the debris.Since none of this happened ,again psychics are a fraud.

Right before 911 at the Gotpsi test site, something did happen to the Psi testers there. There was a great dip in their scores, if I recall it was the lowest scores of the year across the board! Dean Radin wrote about it in one of his books. What he said the low scores signified was that when something that horrible is going to happen people do see it but they block it out. (just like you would if you were watching a scary movie and a really gory part was coming up that you didnt want to see).

So by blocking out 911 they also blocked out seeing the correct results on the tests. Which says to me if people want to see things in the future they must be willing to see the truth no matter how harsh it may be and prepare themselves for that sort of unpleasantness instead of shielding themselves from it.

There are poisonous looking snakes in the RV pictures at Gotpsi, and people have asked the manager to take them out of the tests, because they are unpleasant and threatening for some to see/sense, but he wont do that, and I am glad because it is good to see and feel everything out there even when its not nice. I know when the cockroach is selected by the RV program, I sometimes get a sick creepy feeling in my stomach.



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Well to me, failing the psi test would simply mean they failed because they have no perceptive power

Originally posted by mistr_b2
Well to me, failing the psi test would simply mean they failed because they have no perceptive power

Nope not true! It still is Psi if it goes way in reverse, its just reverse Psi and people who go super below the average score are significant too, because they have Psi but for some reason they are refusing to see (in a big way). Thats why Keno pays off just as big when someone gets no hits, as well as paying off when they get lots of hits.

Its very difficult to get nothing at all if you are trying to.

Originally posted by mistr_b2
However,the following days would prove the psychic was correct and the government could have asked the gifted person to help out with the investigation of who were the people involved with the Terror plot.

You have been watching way too much tv. Do you seriously think they would have admidted to knowing about it previously???? Get real. And to top that off, do you seriously think they would have gone back to the "psychic" and said "hay, your were right, could you give us a hand" um....no. Now, they might have gone back to that person and done who knows what to make sure they never talked again. Or they would have slapped some handcuffs on them because they knew about the event prior to it happening.

Originally posted by DeeplyAwake
So by blocking out 911 they also blocked out seeing the correct results on the tests. Which says to me if people want to see things in the future they must be willing to see the truth no matter how harsh it may be and prepare themselves for that sort of unpleasantness instead of shielding themselves from it.

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Oh so true. It is not an easy thing, and if someone does see it they typically try their hardest to convince themselves it was something else. There is a lot more that goes into it than many understand.

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