Riddle me this.

Originally posted by GENERAL EYES
I'd take the positon, but only if it suited my natural leadership skills and didn't require me to deviate too extreme from my natural talents.

Of course, my perspective on the NWO has never been a negative one.

I see nothing wrong with an elite ruling class as long as they have their proverbial poop together and aren't driven by irrational drives and desires.

Hmm, interesting take on this whole thing. I suppose that a N.W.O. type rule could be 'all for the best'. But it seems that, like many political doctrines, personal greed and corruption can spoil all good intentions.

So I ask you a new question; or rather, a question which I have asked of some others. In the case of a Big Brother type N.W.O. where you are, for some reason, fully aware of their 'evils' and corruption of the peoples...would you still take the job? Why or why not?

Oh and, once again, thank you for a different direction with this whole thing.

Originally posted by spines

So I ask you a new question; or rather, a question which I have asked of some others. In the case of a Big Brother type N.W.O. where you are, for some reason, fully aware of their 'evils' and corruption of the peoples...would you still take the job? Why or why not?

Big Brother doesn't bother me all too much - especially considering I was raised in a military family and my father worked in the National Security arena. He has lots of friends in the FBI, CIA, so on and so forth...and the majority of those guys don't really take an interest in what people are doing unless it's a threat to other peoples freedoms or just plain dangerous.

I never really see the NWO going as far as stripping us of our civil liberties, I mean - comon' - what are they going to do? Assign an agent to monitor every aspect of everyones daily life without warrant?

Nah. Just can't see it happening - too much manpower and too much time, resources and effort involved.

Right now the most dangerous thing I see happening is all the "anti-NWO" propaganda out there - based on what comes off to me as irrational fears and a "victim" viewpoint.

Really - if society gets to be full of too many people who believe the proverbial hype in either extreme of the spectrum, there might be issue.

After all, a military state and the Big Brother nightmare is only really needed if too many extremists start reacting irrationally on a large scale and plot a "takeover" or revolt simply because of word of mouth theory or mis-interpretations of world events based on a one sided paranoid view of the world.

Fear is the mind killer.

For those who don't agree with my assessment on the issue of NWO - I say this:

You have your freedoms right now, and all your civil liberties...and THIS is what you choose to do with your free time? Why not go out and enjoy life? Afer all, if you aren't in direct opposition to the State, what do you have to worry about? They aren't going to go after people who are minding their own business with normal day to day routines!

Now, on the other hand, if you choose to obsess over what "might happen" based on your THEORIES and "I read it on the internet so it must be true" mentalities - you might have a more difficult time integrating yourself into the new world because of your fixation on the negatives.

Move on, lighten up = and read a different book.

Too often people fall prey to the irrational and ego driven desire to be "right" about things - and that right there applies to both sides of the fence.

*just my two cents*

Now - if it WERE the proverbial "nightmare" - yeah. I'd work as a psychologist and through some balance into the mix. Just because someone runs around wearing anarchy logos doesn't mean they're a threat - but once again, try telling that to an irrational populace or misinformed agent.

People are people, and subject to human error. I've gone out of my way to study human behavior, and I'm generally a balanced and fair observer of human nature - I call it like I see it, but I don't pass judgement on someone without a thorough sit down and discussion to better understand where that person is coming from, and what that person is going through.

I'd like to think the men and women behind the New Order are of similar dispositions as well, above the irrational drives of the Ego.

You have your freedoms right now, and all your civil liberties...and THIS is what you choose to do with your free time? Why not go out and enjoy life? Afer all, if you aren't in direct opposition to the State, what do you have to worry about? They aren't going to go after people who are minding their own business with normal day to day routines!

Ok, If I have my freedoms, why is it that I must be always reminded that there's authority on my ass 24/7? I can't even sit down on the ground waiting for my bus or a security person will ignorantly tell me to get up. consider me not being infront of anyone's way. It is my freedom to sit down and not stand up. If you argue they'll tell you that you're loitering, so you must go away, because loitering is a crime. Ok, whoever made that a crime should be fired and incarcerated in a mental institute, and poped full of medication, the one that the globalists sell us of course. But you'll tell them, well, I am not loitering. Then they'll tell you to get in line for the bus. Well, this is about the time that a bounch more security guards gather around you and you get the shivers. If you continue, they'll call the cops and you'll have to explain yourself to them. FOR SITTING ON THE GROUND. If you tell me that's not so, I'm going to personaly film this and show you. I'm buying a camera for this purpose, my friend already had this kind of encounter.

Now, on the other hand, if you choose to obsess over what "might happen" based on your THEORIES and "I read it on the internet so it must be true" mentalities - you might have a more difficult time integrating yourself into the new world because of your fixation on the negatives.

Not really as much as what might happen, to as what is happenning. If you remember very well, and decide to look around you after reading this post, you might notice that authority figures are always there to keep you in check. As long as you follow the norm, you are ok. I was lying on the floor this one time, it was bugging no one, except security personnel, of course. What I'm reading in articles and news is very disturbing, because it doesn't just go to your daily, oh, I'm being told by auhoritar figures to not do something, or to "behave", it goes into citizens being detained without charge. Concentration camps manned by soldiers but not in use, just there for fun , and more being built all around the country . Laws that pass that seem to not touch on everyday life, because they're against terrorists. If you read some of them, you'd notice that by one swing of a pen, civillians like you and me can become ennemy combatants and terrorists, oh, those earlier laws now suddenly apply to us, oooh, that sucks eh? Like, if you have "terrorists" living in your house, you are a criminal and sentenced to jail? Those ennemy combatant terrorist could easily be familly members. With what is happening, and with sound logic, connecting the dots reveals a whole lot of alarming information. It's like swiming in quick sand at that point.

Well, i mean, if there was nothing to worry about, and if the government didn't torture people, and if we weren't fed fluoride, msg, aspartame and other poisons, maybe I would take it down a notch and not go, omg, I'm gonna die, the government is out to get me.

Oh, btw, those people of the new order, yeah, news for you, they perform moch human sacrifices infront of a giant owl they call moloch, that name derives from a canaanite bull diety that people once sacrificed their children and livestock too, so yeah, be afraid, be very afraid, or just dismiss it as them having a small get togheter. Because, well, it all started with artsy smartsy theatre anyways... It has no links to the past pagan rituals at all, I mean, burning an effigy of a human is just pure coincidence...

Originally posted by Radekus
Oh, btw, those people of the new order, yeah, news for you, they perform moch human sacrifices infront of a giant owl they call moloch, that name derives from a canaanite bull diety that people once sacrificed their children and livestock too, so yeah, be afraid, be very afraid, or just dismiss it as them having a small get togheter. Because, well, it all started with artsy smartsy theatre anyways... It has no links to the past pagan rituals at all, I mean, burning an effigy of a human is just pure coincidence...

I am sorry but, you threw this one in from way out in left field.

What exactly are you talking about and where did you get this information from? I am interested in reading some source material on this one.

Thank you for your time.

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Originally posted by GENERAL EYES
I never really see the NWO going as far as stripping us of our civil liberties, I mean - comon' - what are they going to do? Assign an agent to monitor every aspect of everyones daily life without warrant?

Nah. Just can't see it happening - too much manpower and too much time, resources and effort involved.

Well, I think the real concern that people have in this area is monitoring. I guess people feel that every country will soon have a system of CCTV cameras and this 'watching' will be taken to an extreme degree.

...Then again I am trying to put myself inside peoples minds here. But I can see a system of monitoring being an issue with some, if not most.

Originally posted by GENERAL EYES
Right now the most dangerous thing I see happening is all the "anti-NWO" propaganda out there - based on what comes off to me as irrational fears and a "victim" viewpoint.

Ah, thank you for sharing this sentiment. Like my post said many times: This is for hypothetical discussion of a hypothetical event involving an exagerated and hypothetical N.W.O.

People seem to over-react when it comes to anything that they feel could be the sign of the ever looming N.W.O. It is this feeling of hostility and, in some cases, paranoia towards any change which people do not understand the purpose of (whether it be ignorance or just misinformation) which I see causing the most problems in the coming years.

I guess that explains what is in my mind.

Originally posted by GENERAL EYES
Really - if society gets to be full of too many people who believe the proverbial hype in either extreme of the spectrum, there might be issue.

After all, a military state and the Big Brother nightmare is only really needed if too many extremists start reacting irrationally on a large scale and plot a "takeover" or revolt simply because of word of mouth theory or mis-interpretations of world events based on a one sided paranoid view of the world.

Ah, indeed. Just to add a little bit to your thought: It is also this paranoia which overreacts to any sort of major world-event/mis-interpretation that presents a problem.

Let me try to explain that a little better. It seems that those who are very paranoid about it almost want it to happen. That is not to say that they want Big Brother in their houses but it is to say that the mind of a paranoid individual is one which makes connections where connections are not to be made. A major world-event or a policy change is instantly another sign that the N.W.O. is here...

They search out this N.W.O. so frantically that soon they see it everywhere. If you look for anything hard enough you will begin to see it with more and more frequency (and extrapolate the mundane into a magnificant conspiracy which extends its hand through the lives of the world population).

Originally posted by GENERAL EYES
Fear is the mind killer.

"Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration."

All Dune refereences aside, this is an excellent point. If there is some type of action taken by the government which one does not agree with the worst course of action would be to hole up somewhere and let your fear consume you. This is, I believe, how irrational paranoia begins to form.

It is the mind killer and all it needs is a doorway in.

I ramble sometimes and it is early...so I am sure this will be edited to make more sense later in the day.

My movie explains what I mentioned before. If you watch it, I'll give you a cookie.

Originally posted by Radekus
My movie explains what I mentioned before. If you watch it, I'll give you a cookie.

I did watch it.

Nothing new there really. The bohemian grove and my thoughts on it are for another thread however.

Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

I like this poem Queenannie38 that you posted. I wasn't sure if it was qouted by you, or some other source. These verses in particular caught my attention. I don't know if a New World Order will bring these things about, as it will still be tied to commerce.

Today I went into the market to get some veg from some Christmas money my parents sent us. To my surprise, there were people with boxes needing money for the homeless shelter. I was stunned. If we are approaching a New World Order why is the homeless pleading for money for shelter, so when I came across these particular verses that you submitted that I thought back to the people in the street. 'NO NEED FOR GREED OR HUNGER', as majority of the homeless are often hungry. I know, I was homeless three times in my life.

I am on benefits and it pains me to see people still not having homes or food on their plates. Is the New World Order going to bring an end to Hunger and Greed? I don't think so somehow; the elite will benefit in the NWO. The poor will continue to suffer the indignities.

the poor always suffer, well, unless I become "doctator" of the world, then everyone's fed and sheltered.

Originally posted by Radekus
the poor always suffer, well, unless I become "doctator" of the world, then everyone's fed and sheltered.

And, pardon me for asking but, how would you plan on doing this in my hypothetical, Big Brother-esque N.W.O.?

I am very interested in your reply.