We Are NEVER Gonna Find Osama.....Know Why????

Just watched another 9/11 video over at Google Video and came to the conclusion the US government does NOT want to find Osama EVER. Know why?

Because then HE will tell everyone what we knew all along, that it was the US government planned 9/11.

No way does a fire, even one from an airplane impact, gonna drop a building in LESS than one hour, no way. We were all in a state of shock when this sh*t went down so, it was easy to put this bulllsh*t past us but now that I see everything, it's quite easy to understand.

110 story building collapses in less than 10 seconds? That's like total freefall speed, no way that could happen because each floor would slow down the floors coming down. The collapse should have progressively gotten SLOWER not faster!!!

[edit on 5-12-2006 by BANGINCOLOR]

We will never find Osama Bin Laden because it will end our "War On Terror" in the minds of alot of Americans. The "War On Terror" is what's keeping our troops in the Middle East. Our troops in the Middle East is what's allowing us to hold control over the oil fields and pipelines. These oil fields and pipelines are filling our "elected" officials pockets with cash.

It's really easy to see who's behind 9/11 if you just look at what's in front of you.

The U.S. government benefited greatly from that attack.

It allowed our military spending to increase, it put us in the Middle East to steal oil, it created support for Dubya shortly after he and his buddies were suspected of election fraud, it allowed the Patriot Act to come into play so that they could legally spy on and charge anybody with any crime they label as a "terrorist", it gives them an excuse whenever they do what they do by simply stating it's in the name of "national security", it sets up Israel as a regional super power, and, of course, last but certainly not least, the hidden agenda of world domination.

Yeah yeah, I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist, right? Sure. Look it up. It's there for you to read. Not to mention it's pretty much common sense.

Face it, our leaders aren't the innocent peace loving American citizens they make themselves out to be. They've deceived you. They've murdered Americans for money and power. They've put our troops in harm's way to achieve global power. They've done all this, all the while you continue to defend their "innocence".

It's a shame, really.

thing of this as a game of cards
osama bin ladin is the high ranking card with that card its fall or fail

now the US cant lose its best card it would drop their reasons for their crusade against terroists all over the world

posted by BANGINCOLOR

Just watched a 9/11 video at Google Video and came to the conclusion the US government does NOT want to find Osama EVER. Know why? Because then HE will tell everyone what we knew all along, that it was the US government that planned 9/11. No way does a fire, even one from an airplane impact, gonna drop a building in LESS than one hour . . 110 story building collapses in less than 10 seconds? That's like total freetail speed, no way that could happen because each floor would slow down the floors coming down. The collapse should have progressively gotten SLOWER not faster! [Edited by Don W]

Au contraire, BiC. First, do not lose faith in government as a concept. A rather nice one is embodied in our own US Con. Bad mouthing the institution of government is both wrong and has long term negative impacts. Half of our people do not vote because they misconceive it is “who” to be blamed and not “what” to be blamed.

It is the people who currently occupy the positions of power that are failing us. And they rightly deserve our disapproval. I try to speak ill of the Administration and avoid insulting the institution of government. We cannot live without government. The kind of and quality of government we get is still up to us to a very large extent.

Next, the 2 tallest of the WTC - I think there were 7 buildings altogether - were of unique design in that the weight bearing was done in the outside walls and not by a central core as in other buildings. The goal was to make more of each floor’s area rentable. Deducting space for elevators, utilities and stairways, it was normal to be able to rent only 50% of a floor, old style, but the WTC towers offered 60-70% rentable space.

The JP4 jet fuel burns at sufficiently high temperatures and for enough time to reduce the weight bearing capacity of the outside structural walls by half. The combined weight of the floors above the burning floors then fell, and each subsequent floor’s weight added to the collapse, speeding the fall, not slowing it.

Gravity still works at 32 feet per second, squared. The first second, an object falls 32 feet. (Not quite but very close.) The second second 128 feet. 2 X 2 = 4 X 32 = 128. The third second OTOH, is 3 X 3 = 9 X 32 = 288 feet, and so on, until the falling object reaches its terminal velocity. The Empire State Building, had it been struck the same way as either of the 2 WTC towers, would not have collapsed.

The US Government (Republicans) could not plan for a successful military expedition to Iraq. The US Government (Republicans) could not plan for a FEMA rescue of New Orleans. I don’t see any reason to think the US Government (Republicans) could have done any better at the WTC.

No, Mr BiC, this was not planned by a giant multi-layered bureaucracy, but by a small group where the unequivocal leader was in direct contact with the foot solders on a first name basis. Each problem was barnstormed, a decision reached and they moved on to the next. There were 19 + 1 attackers in the US, and maybe a like number of supporting “infrastructure” here. IMO, probably not half that many. Outside the US, once the decision to do the Nine Eleven Event had been taken, a half dozen people could have accomplished it. No TO&E to deal with, no authorizations, no budgets to develop. No review committees. No study groups. Just a few guys who decided to do it! Then did it.

The attackers spent a couple million, we have already spent $600 billion. That’s called “whipsawing” and it must be obvious to everyone we cannot keep this up. We must stop fighting dumb and learn to fight smart.

“ . . it created support for Dumbya shortly after he and his buddies were suspected of election fraud . . “

It’s called “co-opting” and the Republicans did it beautifully. It worked for them in 2002, and again in 2004, and it would have worked in 2006, but for one thing. Dumbya LIED to us. As LBJ lied, and he lost, as Nixon lied, and he lost, so also has Dumbya lied. And he lost. An oft neglected legal motto warns: “Liars Lose.”


[edit on 12/5/2006 by donwhite]

Originally posted by BANGINCOLOR
Just watched another 9/11 video over at Google Video and came to the conclusion the US government does NOT want to find Osama EVER. Know why?

Because then HE will tell everyone what we knew all along, that it was the US government planned 9/11.

No way does a fire, even one from an airplane impact, gonna drop a building in LESS than one hour, no way. We were all in a state of shock when this sh*t went down so, it was easy to put this bulllsh*t past us but now that I see everything, it's quite easy to understand.

110 story building collapses in less than 10 seconds? That's like total freefall speed, no way that could happen because each floor would slow down the floors coming down. The collapse should have progressively gotten SLOWER not faster!!!

[edit on 5-12-2006 by BANGINCOLOR]

Hmmm must be true, after all it was a google video.

We can't find him because hes in Pakisan. We can't get to Pakistan because if we do Pakistan will fall.

If or when Pakistan falls, we will have a potentially rouge state with nuclear weapons, a rouge state that is, that Osama could have considerable influence over.

Or, maybe he was at secret CIA meetings hearing the details of the attack, after all I mean, it was a google video.

That is, why we have not found him (if hes even alive ) though I do agree how suspicious it is that big buildings fall like that, and so fast.. amazing, simply amazing. But think of it this way. In 1949 even years after Pearl Harbor you said the government did it or allowed it, you would be considered a unpatriotic communist. Time will tell.

Sorry DW but, the pancake method of the floors collapsing doesn't hold water due to one small or rather big fact.

Pictures taken I've seen of the WTC being built shows an endo and exo skeleton. There is a huge, center core built from the ground up as seen in the photos half way thru completion of the WTC project. Subsequent floors were built AROUND this core so if the floors pancaked on top of each other as the Warren Commission or, eh, the 9/11 Commission would have you believe, they should have pancaked EACH OTHER, leaving the endo skeleton or core of the building totally in tact.

A fire causing a building to collapse, perfectly on top of itself exactly like a controlled demolition by the way, in under one hour????? None of us are experts but doesn't that sound alarms in your head???

Most 9/11 videos refer to a building in Madrid that burned for over 12 hours at temps hotter than the WTCs and when the fire was out, guess what?? The building was still standing.

The one fire in the second building that was hit didn't even go thru the entire floor the plane hit and yet, in less than an hour, the building falls perfectly to the ground???? Come on.

You got a couple hundred professional firemen down there and if they thought for a second those building MIGHT come down, they never would have entered them.

All fireman, police and whoever all describe multiple explosions going off right before the buildings fell and you see windows being blow out a few floors below the floors that are collapsing that appear to be small explosions.

IT'S A DIFFICULT THING TO DEMOLISH A BUILDING PERFECTLY SO THAT IT LANDS ON TOP OF ITSELF SO AS TO DO MINIMAL DAMAGE WHEN IT HITS THE GROUND and you're telling me two different jetliners hit two different buildings in such a way that BOTH fell perfectly to the ground?????? Wake up man!!!

The collapse should have progressively gotten SLOWER not faster!!!

It wasn't almost freefall.

However, to me, I beleive Osama bin Laden is DEAD, but you're right, I doubt America wants him found.

The entire reason Osama Bin Laden will never be found is because the U.S. government does not want to find him. If they did, even more of the U.S. constituency would be calling for the end of the War on Terror than there are today.

In order for an endless war to continue, no goals that would be seen as an "end" to a conflict can be achieved.

This is also why there has never been any attempt to plant WMDs in Iraq. Had they been discovered there would have been an even bigger public protest against the continuation of the conflict. As it is, they managed to change reasons for the conflict as it contiinues on without requiring any actual goals to be satisfied.

We arnt looking for osama anymore are we? Sorry I think that monkey grew wings and flew away. Ither that or we already killed him and havent recovered the body. Ever remember the old tapes of bin Laden? you could always hear his voice now when they play a tape the cut out the voice on the tape.

There are a couple of guys from Jordan that own a convienence store (imagine that) sorry. But they watch al jazera tv all the time and they tell me that osama rarely comes up in the news over there at all anymore. Al queda yes deffenatly but not osama.

the UNITED STATES does not want to find him probably because he is one of ours. he is a spy and is gathering information from the other side. who knows, but the go'vt. spies are being killed right now, i wonder why. what is going on here. also we are useing retired ships to defend our country. from what? what is supposed to happen here? why are retired ships sent to defend our nation. ships like the one they got out of the mud recently. those and others are being sent strategecally thruout the usa. why? what is going on here? whats happenning here. retired ships in washington, bremerton are being used also for this undertaking and others. we are to defend our country with retired old ships. what a joke. what the hell are we defending it against?

Originally posted by BANGINCOLOR
Pictures taken I've seen of the WTC being built shows an endo and exo skeleton. There is a huge, center core built from the ground up as seen in the photos half way thru completion of the WTC project. Subsequent floors were built AROUND this core so if the floors pancaked on top of each other as the Warren Commission or, eh, the 9/11 Commission would have you believe, they should have pancaked EACH OTHER, leaving the endo skeleton or core of the building totally in tact.

that would be the elevator shaft. which is not supported by the floor.
which is why the floors were built around it. i have not seen those pictures, but, i'll be willing to bet, that the elevator shaft was block, right? block is very brittle.

sorry, had to call you on that one.

Sorry bro but you didn't call #t!!!

The WTC was a model of modern construction, ahead of it's time. Okay, so now I have to go get the pics now.

Here is a 6 minute audio on the PBS Nova site "explaining" the rapid freefall of both buildings and this audio actually refers to some conspiracy theories and this guy tries to explain them:

www.pbs.org...

Basically what I heard over and over is, the guy says the buildings are 70% air and even the steel structures aren't solid but hollow. Wasn't meant to take the weight, yada, yada, yada but I still say, why didn't the lower levels SLOW down the freefall instead of speed it up???

They also explain the puffs that look like explosions on the lower floors as air being compressed and finding it's way out.

Of course the center of the building is a bunch of elevators but, as in this description, it is part of the core which is seperate from the floors. Let the floors pancake all day, core should still be there.

www.pbs.org...

mpact to Collapse

The truth about exactly how the World Trade Center towers collapsed matters greatly, both to the families of those who perished and to the future safety of buildings in America and elsewhere. In the spring of 2002, Congress called upon the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) to conduct a thorough investigation into the disaster. Civil engineer S. Shyam Sunder served as the lead investigator. In this audio slide show, Sunder describes the series of structural and fire-related events within the towers as they progressed toward catastrophic collapse. As a result of the study, NIST made recommendations for changes to building codes and standards. These recommendations, as well other sobering findings of the study, are detailed in the text below.—Susan K. Lewis

www.pbs.org...

I thought maybe this Washington Times story might add to the conversation.

CIA thinks he and Al Zawahiri are likely alive but pinned down in remote areas and basically disconnected from any actual planning/operations. They serve more useful as symbols to "the cause". What cause is that you say?

1) Elimination of the State of Israel
2) Forced exit of the US and other western states' presence in Saudi Arabia and Middle East in general.
3) Eventual destruction/domination of western civilization by Islamic rule.

Originally posted by BANGINCOLOR
Sorry bro but you didn't call #t!!!

The WTC was a model of modern construction, ahead of it's time. Okay, so now I have to go get the pics now.

fine, whatever.......i conced.

Originally posted by BANGINCOLOR
Because then HE will tell everyone what we knew all along, that it was the US government planned 9/11.

OF COURSE he'd say that. That's expected. And no one would believe him because he'd be telling a lie to cover his own butt.

That isn't a good enough reason for the government not to get him.

The REAL reason we haven't gotten him is much of what Rockpuck said but also the fact that we have just been very incompetent about it. It's just that simple. America has been screwing up in trying to get him ... along with all the Pakistan issues (which, of course, is where he is).

This guy's description of his escape of one of the towers also describes a guy he knows that, while just about to exit one of the towers got caught in an explosion at the base of the other tower. Explosion?? Yeah, explosion and was taken to the hospital and treated for severe burns!!

"Now, Ronnie, who I told you had gone up to the 91st floor and later told me he panicked and went down, when he exited the building it was at the very time when Tower Two was starting to fall. So the moment I was watching the building from Trinity Church was exactly the moment he was coming out of the same place I did, and he was caught in an explosion. He heard the explosion, swirled around, and a fireball was rushing at him from right at the doors where he was about to leave the building."

Yeah, a fire 90 stories up caused an entire building to collapse......sure!

posted by BANGINCOLOR

Sorry DW but, the pancake method of the floors collapsing doesn't hold water. Pictures taken of the WTC being built shows an endo and exo skeleton. There is a huge, center core built from the ground up as seen in the photos half way thru completion of the WTC project . . they should have pancaked EACH OTHER, leaving the endo skeleton of the building totally in tact. [Edited by Don W]

Regardless of old construction pictures, I - and you - have seen the two towers collapse as in a stack of pancakes. The central cores of neither building remained standing. That’s a fact. To use pictures taken during the construction for altogether different reasons and to draw a conclusion that contradicts reality is not valid. Not believable. It occurs to me the endo skeleton could have been removed as the exo skeleton became available to load carry? And maybe those pictures were “lost?”

A fire causing a building to collapse in under one hour? None of us are experts but doesn't that sound alarms in your head?

If I had not been able to watch it as it happened, on live tv, maybe so. But I was able to watch it all on the first go around. When reality contradicts rules, I don’t throw out reality, I re-examine my rules.

The fire in the second building that was hit didn't even go thru the entire floor the plane hit and yet, in less than an hour, the building falls perfectly to the ground? Come on.

I don’t know if that is true - “ . . the fire in the second building hit didn't even go thru the entire floor the plane hit . . “ - and if it is, I’m not sure what inference would follow. Again, you and I both saw the towers fall. Pancake fashion. If a theory denies that, then I’d get a new theory.

You got hundreds of professional firemen there and if they thought for a second those building MIGHT come down, they never would have entered them.

I believe the NYFD would have followed orders from their fire captains. It is impossible to know what “might have been” under different circumstances. I don’t’ think anyone expects a person to hurl himself under a train. That is not heroic, that is foolhardy.

All fireman, police and whoever all describe multiple explosions going off right before the buildings fell and you see windows being blow out a few floors below the floors that are collapsing that appear to be small explosions.

Metals under strain often give off a sharp report when the breaking point is reached. That’s not new. Aside: I stayed overnight at a state park that used a swinging bar across the road to block entry after hours. The bar was to be opened at 8 AM. I came down the hill at 8:15 AM Sunday morning. The bar was still closed. I was going too fast to stop. I hit the bar and it made a report heard a half mile away at the park’s restaurant. I did not stop until 2 hours later to get gas. It cost $1,500 to fix the damage to my hood, grille, lights and bumper of my Nissan Maxima, in 1988. Probably $4,000 today.

“ . . you're telling me two different jetliners hit two different buildings in such a way that BOTH fell perfectly to the ground? Wake up man!

No, BiC, I’m not telling you that. It is a fact. Sure, it was unexpected. Unpredicted. I searched Nostradamus for a week and could not find it there. I re-read half of Edgar Cayce’s predictions and it was not there. Egyptologists tell me it is not in the hieroglyphs. Numerologists tell me it is not in the dimensions of the Great Pyramid.

Both the North and South towers collapsed in on themselves. The collapse was totally unexpected. Which does not make it fantasy. Bottom line: We saw it happen on live tv. It is more a theory of probability problem than it is a reality issue.


[edit on 12/6/2006 by donwhite]

Don't be afraid to question authority or even what your own eyes see. Your whole arguement is that, "We all saw it happen that day so it must be true". Well, if that's the case then every woman that a magician cut in half is dead now. Pigeons really do just appear out of thin air. Come on bro, think.

The scariest thing you can ask a human being to do is use his mind.

We are all trained to think when a building collapses, it ALWAYS collapses onto itself because, that's all we see. Cameras are there every time a Vegas casino is demolished or any big building cause it's big news. Every building I ever saw collapse were buildings that were perfectly demolished but in REALITY, that never happens. Buildings DON'T naturally fall onto themselves and on 9/11, two of them did because of relatively small fires both in less than an hour.